When its not a banal thing, but a bunch of known autograph flippers, its perfectly fine to be annoyed and agitated. even if Pep is a weird fecker.
'Pep' Guardiola sack watch
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Exactly. As he obviously met those guys before he should just have said "f*ck off, I already signed enough stuff for you"
Not believing they were at his house, sorry. Certainly not in any capacity greater than any famous person deals with. Not sure why they do it when the value of any signed merchandise will surely drop when his most successful side is appropriately punished for cheating the league for a decade and effectively destroying a decade of competitiveness and the trajectory of many teams. Between that and the doping as a player, not sure there'll be much legacy
Those guys are clearly just looking to sell that stuff on eBay. They deserve being told to piss off, to be honest.
Besides obviously being hounded and pissed off, his criticism is the kind of tough love you would expect from a coach who wants to get the best out of people.
Next step is the 'Fight club' driver's licence approach.
Next step is the 'Fight club' driver's licence approach.
Which contract does she get half of?
Genuinely see no issue with Pep in the clip with the twats looking for autographs. He’s spot on. Just because it’s Pep doesn’t mean you can’t call a spade a spade.
The lad in the glasses looks like the same guy in the ‘just because you lost’ video with Guardiola that came out a few weeks ago. Stalkers.
Agreed, they’re not fans …foolish to sign anything.
Agreed. Peps a fruitloop but nothing he does there is bad for me. Honestly if I were in his shoes I'd be ignoring / telling the obvious sellers to feck off with their boxes of tat.
No matter what the outcome of their case is, Pep's name will always be brought up in 20 or 50 years time whenever the conversation for the greatest coaches of the game is brought up. You're really delusional if you're thinking it won't be the case.
Respectfully disagree. Spending the bulk of your career with a team found guilty of cheating for a decade is a ruiner im afraid. Maybe he could salvage it with a meaningful Messiless achievement elsewhere. Sorry but he'll be mentioned out of duty and lingering respect, but always with the caveat mentioned.
Unless of course they engineer the outcome they want
He did right there.
This is nothing but wishful thinking. Money doesn't play on the field and the tactics on the pitch that influenced how the game is been played in general came from him, no amount of revisionism can change that. So like I said, his name will always be mentioned amongst the greatest weather some people like it or not.
His legacy will be as intact as 2011 Barca's. No one really thinks of blood bags or bought refs when talking about that team
Yeah, no.
There isn't a single club that wouldn't hire Pep right now if he made himself available. And their fans would go nuts with joy.
Look at the amount of excitement we see/have seen around managers who just worked under him for a bit -- Maresca, Arteta, ETH. Now imagine getting the real deal.
Hell, we were excited when we landed a washed up Mourinho hoping that he might restore an actual sporting rivalry between the two clubs.
Haha imagine Pep telling you to get your life together? Must have been a surreal moment.
An actual Pep documentary would be box office. He’s such an out there individual. I wonder what non-performative Pep looks like. Louis & Pep would be TV gold.
I don’t think people like Pep with all that money will really care that much about comment sections and fan talks, when they chill in the hot sauna of their private mansion…
True. But this is what his legacy will be. His Bayern time is mostly ignored already and nobody cares for City.
'Sack watch' has taken on a whole new meaning.
I said it will be mentioned. Absolutely. As will the cheating
Sorry you're making a different point. I even said perhaps he can achieve something elsewhere. But if he retired in may and city's cheating was punished, it's a black mark on his career that will be synonymous with his longest spell at a club. Its absolutely tarnished
Fair point. And maybe it should be, it was his pinnacle and likely the pinnacle of any manager we've seen the last decades
Of course it will be mentioned, but it won't "tarnish" his reputation as a coach or take him out of the best ever conversation (except for those who already dislike him and have already decided that he isn't a great coach).
I think it probably already makes some hold back slightly from calling him the best even if they like him. If they're found guilty that will be even more amplified. Those who don't dislike him will acknowledge his coaching and regret that he wasted the better part of his career obtaining success that ultimately meant nothing
How does it mean nothing when people will still be talking about "how" his teams played on the pitch tactically, or how they were the first to get 100 points or how they were the first to win 4 PL titles in a row.
I mean we can talk about money all we want, but a bag of money can't play on the pitch. The players trained with his tactics to make all that happen on the pitch, and that's why he'll always be named amongst the greatest no matter how much some try to downplay his achievements.
Those are things that can't be erased from memory.
This can't be a serious post. If all managers could build illegally assembled squads, then we could marvel at the likes of absurd pts tallies and 4 in a row.
Because the things you're mentioning happen in relation to other teams, in a competitive environment. If they are found guilty, it means they've affected the competitiveness of the competition, and any achievement is tainted by that. It's pretty straightforward.
Or to put it in another way: he wouldn't have achieved what he did without resorting to cheating.
Love it. We generally need to bring back shaming people for the dumb things they say and do. Society would be better for it.
Sure, but that's just because regardless of when he retires, the surrounding circumstances will be perceived as pivotal if not the full reason behind that decision.
Same way if he retired instead of going to Munich, there'll be fans piping up with claims of his record being tarnished by being unable to withstand Mourinho's mind games and in fact, longevity is the most important thing when evaluating a manager's record.
During this time, United and Chelsea spent basically just as much. Arsenal and Liverpool too have spent (granted they spent less but still). The results however haven't come close, though we can make an argument for Liverpool.
Trying hard to reduce his success to resources he's had is being disingenuous and delusional IMO.
You don't seem to understand or comprehend what 'cheating' and 'illegally assembled' means or the advantage it gives over the "competition".
Agreed. Also I love how he says to one of them that they're old
No issue with Pep on this, especially if these 'fans' do it regularly.
During this period they allegedly cheated, those teams (United and Chelsea) spent basically just as much if not more. So once again, trying so hard to reduce his achievements to the money spent is just disingenuous and doesn't make any sense IMO.
What he did his first season in Barcelona already put him on the map, and he was only going to go upwards from there on because any rational person who watched them play could see he was special as a coach.
Yep, an Lance Armstrong was an incredible cyclist, there is no denying this.
Fine, let him retire in 2028 after a decent world cup run with spain. The fact is, at the minute he's spent the vast majority of his career at a club who cheated to get to where they are, in fact, cheated to even get him in the door. If people want to believe you can just separate the cheating from the dominance of his team, I think its a crazy way to expect people to analyse his career.