'Pep' Guardiola sack watch

Red00012 said:
1 win in 11 suggests alot more problems than missing 1 player .
As bad we were under ETH and all the injuries we had last season we never managed just 1 win in 11.
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Of course every crisis is down to more than one factor. However it is how you deal with certain setbacks that separates the good managers from the great.
 
Roger Myerson said:
im kinda the opposite. No matter what Pep does from now on (even if he relegates Man City) he will always be the GOAT. If Ancelotti can win 1 more CL then he will be in the conversation.

My reason being, there have been many managers in the history who won a lot of titles. Of course Ferguson won more than any of them, but in the end I dont see how that sets him apart from the likes of Capello or Lippi. What Pep did is that he revolutionized the way teams play football. Cruff started all of that tiki taka, but it was Pep who made it perfect. There are also a lot of his lesser known inventions, like inverted full back.

To make a comparison, its like Von Neumann vs Einstein. Ferguson is like Von Neumann, lots of contributions, but none of his contribution is as deep as Einstein’s. Basically the whole modern physics was created by him.
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Changed football with money and drugs.

Fergie did it without ever being the biggest spender, without ever a question of dodgy dopey doctors, and did it over and over and over again. He didn’t scratch lines into his skull 6 months into a tough run and he never sat in front of 115 charges for fincancial cheating.

He won a European cup with Aberdeen and took United from a lower ebb than todays version to the pinnacle of European and World football.

Comparing the two of them is an insult. Suggesting Pep is the better is a farce.

Achieving with the Barca, Bayern and City teams he managed puts him on par with the great sides Fergie built after he had established himself as a great coach. Pep has never taken a minnow or a sleeping giant to that level and for that reason he can never me mentioned in the same breath as Sir Alex.
 
AfonsoAlves said:
There's so much to unpack with this opinion.

There's one thing to create new tactical play styles and such, but it's just one part of football. Another part is winning and another part is being able to do more with less as well as win things when you have little to no resources.

Ferguson won European trophies with Aberdeen and won league titles with some pretty meh teams on paper.

Another thing is to be able to reinvent yourself when the world around you changes, which Capello and Lippi were unable to do.

Also your analogy is pretty weird. You're comparing a guy who was an all rounder who is best known for his works in Computer Science and Electronic engineering vs a theoretical physicist whose impact didn't really change the day to day.

All modern computers run off Von Neumann architecture, I'm not really sure how relativity or understanding the space-time conundrum a bit better has really helped the average person day to day.
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I reckon you should tell your GPS to ignore relativity and see how you get on, or perhaps see how your camera or solar panels work without the photoelectric effect. Not that this has anything to do with football in any way of course.
 
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TwoSheds said:
I reckon you should tell your GPS to ignore relativity and see how you get on. Not that this has anything to do with football in any way of course.
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Nothing - has negligible impact on positional accuracy and the timings will be off to the by 23 microseconds a day, to the tune of 1 second every 120 years.

Think we'll be okay :angel: Relativities impact is pretty negligible at those distances.
 
AfonsoAlves said:
Nothing - has negligible impact on positional accuracy and the timings will be off to the by 23 microseconds a day, to the tune of 1 second every 120 years.

Think we'll be okay :angel: Relativities impact is pretty negligible at those distances.
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How does that convert to metres on the surface of earth from space do you reckon? (I looked it up for you - a GPS satellite moves at about 3900m/s.)
 
diarm said:
Changed football with money and drugs.

Fergie did it without ever being the biggest spender, without ever a question of dodgy dopey doctors, and did it over and over and over again. He didn’t scratch lines into his skull 6 months into a tough run and he never sat in front of 115 charges for fincancial cheating.

He won a European cup with Aberdeen and took United from a lower ebb than todays version to the pinnacle of European and World football.

Comparing the two of them is an insult. Suggesting Pep is the better is a farce.

Achieving with the Barca, Bayern and City teams he managed puts him on par with the great sides Fergie built after he had established himself as a great coach. Pep has never taken a minnow or a sleeping giant to that level and for that reason he can never me mentioned in the same breath as Sir Alex.
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Couldn't have said it any better. Bravo.
 
Sassy Colin said:
Much as I despise the ugly gurning cnut, Klopp's achievements with underperforming clubs on relatively limited budgets, far outweighs Pep's achievements at Barca, Bayern and Shitty.
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Agreed. Put Pep at Liverpool and make him operate on a limited budget and see how he does. My guess is - not well.
 
NotChatGPT said:
Keita was never a key player, wasn’t even a good player, and i’m not sure why you’re now suddenly referring to the title winning team after first calling it «Klopps team», which is a completely different argument.
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I think most people think of the Salah, Mane, Firminho team when they think of Klopp, I could have been more specific but that’s what I meant. It’s not a big deal. Obviously they haven’t dismantled last season’s team in one window.
 
I think the touchy twitcher will still come back from this, likely after a January spend-up, but I would love to have seen him leave now with the wheels off, but he will not go with them like this.
 
DarkLord1984 said:
Agreed. Put Pep at Liverpool and make him operate on a limited budget and see how he does. My guess is - not well.
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There is a reason Klopp avoid clubs where he has to deliver trophies every season and wont buy into 5 seasons rebuild projects
 
He's going to have to spend big in January.

I wonder if the impending charges may put players off signing for them?
 
Even if city do not get punish with the 115 charges, Pep really needs a break from football. He should only return to managing in the 2026/27 season with one of the Milan clubs in Serie A.
 
Leão said:
Even if city do not get punish with the 115 charges, Pep really needs a break from football. He should only return to managing in the 2026/27 season with one of the Milan clubs in Serie A.
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Serie A is no good for him as there is no club there that can give him a top squad and unlimited transfer budget
 
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