'Pep' Guardiola sack watch

I don’t think there is another explanation for this bar them knowing the punishment.

No team drops off that quickly, the application and desire is completely gone. The game was there for the taking and United still almost messed it up.

It was a bizarre watch, it’s a team that aren’t even trying.
 
Maluco said:
I don’t think there is another explanation for this bar them knowing the punishment.

No team drops off that quickly, the application and desire is completely gone. The game was there for the taking and United still almost messed it up.

It was a bizarre watch, it’s a team that aren’t even trying.
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Strange kick to get in there.
 
Semper Fudge said:
Strange kick to get in there.
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It’s perfectly valid. They offered nothing all game and didn’t look like they cared. It would have been an unbelievably frustrating defeat if it wasn’t for Amad.
 
It's almost like individual players know they are going to be found complicit in cheating. Loads of them getting paid through dodgy off shore shelf companies?
 
Whatever happened to having "2 world class players in every position". "2nd team will finish in the top and challenge for the title". Where are those 2nd string quality players at?
 
Pep has checked out mentally 100% . His time has got to be up at city soon.
 
Greyfog said:
Whatever happened to having "2 world class players in every position". "2nd team will finish in the top and challenge for the title". Where are those 2nd string quality players at?
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That was never really true, was it? The truth is that a lot of their players have overperformed for quite a while, and are now performing well under their level. It's surprising it's gotten this bad, but it's not that surprising that a team performing at their level for so long might experience a real drop off at some point.
 
Maluco said:
I don’t think there is another explanation for this bar them knowing the punishment.

No team drops off that quickly, the application and desire is completely gone. The game was there for the taking and United still almost messed it up.

It was a bizarre watch, it’s a team that aren’t even trying.
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If they know, and it affects them to go on the worst run of games under Pep, surely there would be leaks about the extensiveness of the punishment.
 
Klopper76 said:
There might be something to that. This drop off is crazy. The charges were increased from 115 to 130 too right?
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I think so. Its the not arsedness that makes me worry about it. These guys are serial winners so its not just bad for or leg of legs. For me it feels deeper.
 
Lay said:
Nah he's always quite melodramatic. He will dismiss everything he said in a couple of days
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This, he's always a bit of a drama queen. In his first season, he was all "Maybe I'm not good enough" same when he went out of CL a few times. Weird dude.
 
Stacker said:
Pep has checked out mentally 100% . His time has got to be up at city soon.
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Looks like it given his press conference today.

I think he feels a bit indebted and feels he has to stay considering the performances. A bit like Klopp with no legs in their dire season.

He won't stay beyond the season in my opinion.
 
He strikes me as someone who just doesn’t give a shit and is acting all these emotions. He looks so visibly anguished constantly but also like he’s enjoying it at the same time.
 
It must be shit to be Pep. A man who once was a humanitarian who'd wear shirts about helping the planet and doing things the right way. A man who idolised the Barcelona way and wants to win, but do it on the right terms. Yet he's picked a club that is simply dog shit, that nobody respects and has a cloud under it. I'm sure he thought "If I get 100 points, that will change" or "if I win the Treble, that will change" or "If I win 4 in a row that will change." But it hasnt. City will always be a lottery winner in a street filled with people who earned their money. I think Pep has tried very hard over the years to try and make Man City the giants of England. Its impossible. If they get punished, regardless of what it is, I cant see anyway back for him. How do you carry on knowing you've done 10 years as a fraud?
 
People forget Pep is the guy who quit Barcelona because, emotionally, he just couldn't cope with Mourinho mind games.

He's on the edge. When you see him scratching his body like an anime villain it's not fake. He's that invested. It's unhealthy. I wouldn't be surprised if he has a total burnout at this rate.
 
MiracleInMadrid said:
If they know, and it affects them to go on the worst run of games under Pep, surely there would be leaks about the extensiveness of the punishment.
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Maybe they didn't know about the extent but they do know that their case was not looking good for them and that they'd almost certainly be found guilty. Something like that could trigger a collapse as players know the club is in trouble and something big is on the way. Maybe.
 
I could definitely see Guardiola walking …. Last few weeks as the losses have racked up he has definitely looked a haunted man. The privileged t£&t has never had to deal with a squad who are not responding to his every word and aura …he does look stressed out and ill I don’t think he’s strong enough a person to pull this round soo he could easily resign on stress grounds.
 
Solius said:
He strikes me as someone who just doesn’t give a shit and is acting all these emotions. He looks so visibly anguished constantly but also like he’s enjoying it at the same time.
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Been saying something similar for a while. I am convinced he wants out, and will be happy if this continues as long as is needed for some sort of amicable parting to take place.

A sure sign is when you see his interviews, he looks relaxed and happy, talks without much emotion, etc. When he's had problems in the past everything he said was always laden with sarcasm, and he comes accross as bitter and childish, we're just not seeing that side to him this time.
 
The form is too bad, feels almost like they've been told that the charges are going to stick and it's just a matter of how long it can be delayed rather than it being fought
 
#07 said:
People forget Pep is the guy who quit Barcelona because, emotionally, he just couldn't cope with Mourinho mind games.

He's on the edge. When you see him scratching his body like an anime villain it's not fake. He's that invested. It's unhealthy. I wouldn't be surprised if he has a total burnout at this rate.
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I couldn’t agree more , the guy
#07 said:
People forget Pep is the guy who quit Barcelona because, emotionally, he just couldn't cope with Mourinho mind games.

He's on the edge. When you see him scratching his body like an anime villain it's not fake. He's that invested. It's unhealthy. I wouldn't be surprised if he has a total burnout at this rate.
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I couldn’t agree more , the guy invests his sole and I think the players who’ve won everything multiple times have lost the drive.
 
Bit strange watching this play out, if he is struggling with his mental health then what can he do? I've often wondered is football ready for a manager or a player to publicly have a break due to stress, I'd imagine it's already happened privately or you get those grey areas like Jadon Sancho, but what if Guardiola/City came out tomorrow and said he's having three months off due to stress? How would that be recieved?
 
FujiVice said:
It must be shit to be Pep. A man who once was a humanitarian who'd wear shirts about helping the planet and doing things the right way. A man who idolised the Barcelona way and wants to win, but do it on the right terms. Yet he's picked a club that is simply dog shit, that nobody respects and has a cloud under it. I'm sure he thought "If I get 100 points, that will change" or "if I win the Treble, that will change" or "If I win 4 in a row that will change." But it hasnt. City will always be a lottery winner in a street filled with people who earned their money. I think Pep has tried very hard over the years to try and make Man City the giants of England. Its impossible. If they get punished, regardless of what it is, I cant see anyway back for him. How do you carry on knowing you've done 10 years as a fraud?
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He's only got himself to blame. He could have stuck to his original statement and done the honorable thing and left once the charges became an issue.
 
CoopersDream said:
I get there was loads of injuries in the squad. But you kept yourself afloat for a long time despite that. Then it was clearly a confidence thing also. You hadn't lost a home game for something like three and a half season, and you suddenly lost 6 on the trot. Then you came back strong and finished well, despite still not having any senior centre backs fit.

Chelsea 10/11 started really well with 25 points in the first 10 games. Then they went on to take something like 10 points out of the next 11 games. Then they turned it around and finished really strongly. A very weird season indeed.
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It was indeed a weird season. It was the season in which I first started following United. Our home form was ridiculously good. The only home in which we failed to win was a 2-2 draw with West Brom on 16 October. In fact, the only point at which we were losing at home that season was on 22 May, the final game, at home to Blackpool, because they scored the opening goal of that game. We ended up winning 4-2, and van der Sar was given the captaincy as it was his last ever league game before he retired (his last ever game altogether was the champions league final against Barcelona six days before). Meanwhile, we were subpar at best away from home - we won only five away games in the league, lost four (against Wolves, Liverpool, Chelsea, and Arsenal), and drew the rest.

But yeah. Chelsea started great that season, and I was thinking that they were going to win the league when I was a neutral (during the period between when I started following football during the World Cup that summer and me deciding to follow United around about late October). However, we entered first after thrashing Blackburn 7-1 at home on 27 November (a game in which Berbatov scored five) and stayed there until the end of the season. At the turn of the new year, our challengers for the top spot were Man City. In February and March, it was Arsenal who were second behind us, and they got dangerously close after we lost those consecutive away games to Liverpool and Chelsea (the second due to a penalty that should never have been given, in which Leeds fan Martin Atkinson was referee). However, we persisted, and by the end of April Chelsea had managed to recover and were in second place behind us. We lost 1-0 away to Arsenal on 1 May. Our match against Chelsea a week later was a six-pointer, meaning that if we won we’d go nine points clear at the top of the table, but if Chelsea won they’d be behind us on goal difference. We won 2-1, largely thanks to a Chicharito goal in the first minute. We wrapped up the title in the early kick off six days later with a 1-1 draw away to Blackburn, and ultimately Chelsea sacked Ancelotti after the end of the season.
 
I think their midfield signings have been poor recently as well. De Bruyne has been showing signs of starting to decline over the last 2-3 years, some of those years he has managed to turn around slow starts and end strongly but the energy levels have been dropping. Bringing Gundogan back at 33/34 with Silva also showing some signs of decline was a strange decision. Kovacic also is talented but injury prone. New signings like Nunes and Savinho havn't offered much while Grealish and Doku are far less productive that would be expected. They have allowed the team to grow old around Rodri

Foden having a down year without the supply that those guys were previously giving him is not a shock, he is good but the previous numbers do flatter him, as they did Sterling before him at City.
 
Pep's face

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It sort of feels like he's wanting out, when he's adamantly stating that he doesn't know how to change it and that he's not good enough. But also, that he wants the club to relieve him off his managerial post. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it's strange.
 
FujiVice said:
It must be shit to be Pep. A man who once was a humanitarian who'd wear shirts about helping the planet and doing things the right way. A man who idolised the Barcelona way and wants to win, but do it on the right terms. Yet he's picked a club that is simply dog shit, that nobody respects and has a cloud under it. I'm sure he thought "If I get 100 points, that will change" or "if I win the Treble, that will change" or "If I win 4 in a row that will change." But it hasnt. City will always be a lottery winner in a street filled with people who earned their money. I think Pep has tried very hard over the years to try and make Man City the giants of England. Its impossible. If they get punished, regardless of what it is, I cant see anyway back for him. How do you carry on knowing you've done 10 years as a fraud?
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Guardiola has always been a dodgy person. He just had a well curated image. He failed two steroid tests as a player - being cleared on a technicality rather than actually being innocent. He’s at the centre of what should’ve been the biggest doping scandal in football history at Barcelona, but because it affected the national team, the Spanish government destroyed the evidence and made it all go away. He was managing Barcelona all through the years they were paying the head referee.

He went to Bayern and took his dodgy doc with him. Dominated a one team league but fell flat on his face in Europe. Then signed up with the most crooked team in Europe to create a monopoly of fraudulent achievements. Winning multiple titles through systematic and systemic cheating.

He has a long track record of being a cheat. Of doing that ever he can to win, and repeatedly getting away with it. He’s been untouchable because his downfall would impact a whole country in the case of his time at Barca. His City team was penalised by UEFA and banned from Europe for just a tiny fraction of the cheating that the PL have dinged them for, and they got off on a technicality (time barring) rather than being cleared. He, as a man, is the very beating heart of these cheating sides. He does a good job of playing the innocent visionary, but in my estimation is one of - if not the - biggest cheats in football history.
 
simonhch said:
Guardiola has always been a dodgy person. He just had a well curated image. He failed two steroid tests as a player - being cleared on a technicality rather than actually being innocent. He’s at the centre of what should’ve been the biggest doping scandal in football history at Barcelona, but because it affected the national team, the Spanish government destroyed the evidence and made it all go away. He was managing Barcelona all through the years they were paying the head referee.

He went to Bayern and took his dodgy doc with him. Dominated a one team league but fell flat on his face in Europe. Then signed up with the most crooked team in Europe to create a monopoly of fraudulent achievements. Winning multiple titles through systematic and systemic cheating.

He has a long track record of being a cheat. Of doing that ever he can to win, and repeatedly getting away with it. He’s been untouchable because his downfall would impact a whole country in the case of his time at Barca. His City team was penalised by UEFA and banned from Europe for just a tiny fraction of the cheating that the PL have dinged them for, and they got off on a technicality (time barring) rather than being cleared. He, as a man, is the very beating heart of these cheating sides. He does a good job of playing the innocent visionary, but in my estimation is one of - if not the - biggest cheats in football history.
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Couldn't have said it any better.

About time he finally started getting his comeuppance.
 
always_hoping said:
Pep's face

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Looks like the face he had on when that lad taunted him in the street. His head is fully wobbling right now. I actually feel a bit uncomfortable enjoying it.

Could see this going over the edge into full breakdown. Pep doesn't seem far from going into his next presser and screaming that he's mad as hell and he's not gonna take it anymore.
 
#07 said:
Looks like the face he had on when that lad taunted him in the street. His head is fully wobbling right now. I actually feel a bit uncomfortable enjoying it.

Could see this going over the edge into full breakdown. Pep doesn't seem far from going into his next presser and screaming that he's mad as hell and he's not gonna take it anymore.
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"I will love it if we beat Villa! LOVE IT!"
 
Hopefully the beginning of a beautiful demise
 
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