'Pep' Guardiola sack watch

Irwin99 said:
I think it is a fair criticism to say that the likes of Klopp, Jose, Sir Alex have had to build successful squads, often with some budget constraints whereas Pep has always been very fortunate in either inheriting once in a lifetime players or just having an open cheque book. If you gave Pep a club on the level of say Roma, Atletico or Spurs could he build that club and get them playing Pep ball AND winning trophies. I'm not sure.

Sir Alex beating Jose's first Chelsea team with literally only Michael Carrick bought for 18 million in 2006-2007 was seriously impressive for any fan, especially as we'd lost Keane and Ruud the year before. Sky sports predicted us finishing 4th that season :lol: It's little things like that when you're up against it that are the measure of greatness. Jose's Porto team and Klopp's jobs with Dortmund and Liverpool are similar.
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But the question remains why would Pep go to a small club and try to make them successful just to prove internet critics wrong when he is wanted by all big clubs with big budgets. He started out with a bang with a big club. And then he is pursued by big bug monster clubs.

Same thing will happen with Zidane.
 
MUW4Eva said:



And people put Pep above Jose in managerial terms......

Deary me, Jose unlike Pep knows how to win in Europe.
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:lol:, this is like praising player for scoring shit loads of goals in championship and League 1.

Pep is so good that he won't manage a team in Europa and conference league. Jose is like Poch compared to Pep if we are talking about trophies.
 
Pintu said:
You can't possibly believe 2 CL wins with Barça and one final with City are worth more than CL wins with Porto and Inter... Inter in 2008 had a similar status to City, and it only took Mourinho 2 years to deliver a final and to win it... Porto is something else.

Not saying Mourinho is the better coach, but his European record is much more impressive.
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Mourinho could not win the CL with teams he was supposed to win with like Real, Chelsea but won the CL with teams he was not really supposed to win with, so it balances out..
 
Did you see that tactical masterclass he performed recently? Look this: he bought very expensive world class players to replace other very expensive players and be able to fully express Pep's briliance.

Catalan Cruyffism in the dictionary:
- Give the ball to Cruyff
- Give the ball to Romario
- Give the ball to Ronaldo Nazario
- Give the ball to Rivaldo
- Give the ball to Ronaldinho
- Give the ball to Messi
 
roonster09 said:
:lol:, this is like praising player for scoring shit loads of goals in championship and League 1.

Pep is so good that he won't manage a team in Europa and conference league. Jose is like Poch compared to Pep if we are talking about trophies.
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Exactly, imagine calling Conference League win a major success ignoring how inferior that competition is to the extent that many United fans would prefer an 8th position rather than 7th in the PL as they do not want United name to be associated with Conference League :lol:
 
If Pep can get Phillips to perform at the levels of Rodri and Fernandinho, then he deserves the manager of the season award.
 
Charles Miller said:
Did you see that tactical masterclass he performed recently? Look this: he bought very expensive world class players to replace other very expensive players and be able to fully express Pep's briliance.

Catalan Cruyffism in the dictionary:
- Give the ball to Cruyff
- Give the ball to Romario
- Give the ball to Ronaldo Nazario
- Give the ball to Rivaldo
- Give the ball to Ronaldinho
- Give the ball to Messi
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You know what you are saying is ji ist biased bitterness. If just bringing world class players would have done the job, we should have done great this season with the signing of Sancho, Ronaldo and Varane.
 
genardk said:
Exactly, imagine calling Conference League win a major success ignoring how inferior that competition is to the extent that many United fans would prefer an 8th position rather than 7th in the PL as they do not want United name to be associated with Conference League :lol:
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Desperate times, this was the same guy who shat on other managers for finishing 2nd and then celebrated finishing 6th or 7th with Spurs.

Good for Roma that they won the trophy but imagine comparing him to Pep just because he won conference league.
 
Lord SInister said:
But the question remains why would Pep go to a small club and try to make them successful just to prove internet critics wrong when he is wanted by all big clubs with big budgets. He started out with a bang with a big club. And then he is pursued by big bug monster clubs.

Same thing will happen with Zidane.
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The clubs I mentioned aren't small clubs by any stretch of the imagination, but they would require a bit of work to transform them into consistent winners (less so Atletico who are in fact champions but that's reasonably rare with Barca and Real Madrid around)

Obviously he doesn't need to prove anything to "internet critics" but people can rightly point out that he's someone who doesn't fix clubs or take on much of a challenge.
 
Lord SInister said:
But the question remains why would Pep go to a small club and try to make them successful just to prove internet critics wrong when he is wanted by all big clubs with big budgets. He started out with a bang with a big club. And then he is pursued by big bug monster clubs.

Same thing will happen with Zidane.
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He already signed for a small club in City? He seems to have no problem with the size of the clubs, it's the size of their budget he's concerned about.
 
Lord SInister said:
You know what you are saying is ji ist biased bitterness. If just bringing world class players would have done the job, we should have done great this season with the signing of Sancho, Ronaldo and Varane.
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You know that you are operating as a blind fanboy from some millionaire hipster that you never met in your life? Try to analise those public figures like an adult. Why do you think a manager with that status is working for a state-club? I'll answer for you: his first alternative to fix any tactical problem is buying players. He is known for it.
 
Charles Miller said:
You know that you are operating as a blind fanboy from some millionaire hipster that you never met in your life? Try to analise those public figures like an adult. Why do you think a manager with that status is working for a state-club? I'll answer for you: his first alternative to fix any tactical problem is buying players. He is known for it.
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I am not his fan boy, but you are surely his hater, your posts just reek of it. Devoid of any actual reasonable logic. You use words like " state club" "millionaire hipster" just shows you try to feel great about yourself.
 
Irwin99 said:
The clubs I mentioned aren't small clubs by any stretch of the imagination, but they would require a bit of work to transform them into consistent winners (less so Atletico who are in fact champions but that's reasonably rare with Barca and Real Madrid around)

Obviously he doesn't need to prove anything to "internet critics" but people can rightly point out that he's someone who doesn't fix clubs or take on much of a challenge.
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But we cannot point out something which never happened. See you can say it is missing from his CV, but you cannot say he cannot do it. It is like saying Ferguson never proved himself in a foreign continental club with foreign language. Jose, Ancelloti and so on did.
 
MUW4Eva said:
Really??

Pep's record in European competition is shockingly poor, in no way does it merit the term "superbly".
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His premier success is though. Fergie a superb manager won the champions league twice in 26 years if you are using that metric.
 
Soooo......Don Carlo proving once again, just why he is light years ahead of Pep.

League and Champions League double, when was the last time Pep did that??

Was it in the age of black and white tv's??
 
If it was City,Liverpool would have won it. They just don't have that mentality like Evra said.
 
It is still a two-horse race, so I wish him another league medal and an empty parade.
 
Lord SInister said:
But the question remains why would Pep go to a small club and try to make them successful just to prove internet critics wrong when he is wanted by all big clubs with big budgets. He started out with a bang with a big club. And then he is pursued by big bug monster clubs.

Same thing will happen with Zidane.
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He doesn't have to do that just to prove his critics wrong but, until he does that, his critics haven't been proven wrong. He can carry on hoovering up titles with clubs built to win titles and ignore the criticism but it'll still be there and it is justified when we're talking about comparing him with other managers.
 
Can't win the champions without a colossal technical superiority. Now he is going in the petrodollar FM mode and signed Haaland. If he fails again(99% guaranteed) he's probably gonna ask the sheikh to buy Mbappe next.
 
Tyrion said:
He doesn't have to do that just to prove his critics wrong but, until he does that, his critics haven't been proven wrong. He can carry on hoovering up titles with clubs built to win titles and ignore the criticism but it'll still be there and it is justified when we're talking about comparing him with other managers.
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It is not justified outside the internet. This talk is not had in serious football circles.
 
adexkola said:
It is not justified outside the internet. This talk is not had in serious football circles.
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Well you know that a lot of these armchair critics really think that their opinions hold a lot of weight when it really doesn't.
 
adexkola said:
It is not justified outside the internet. This talk is not had in serious football circles.
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Isn't it? Plenty of people give Klopp more credit than Pep. Based on their trophies alone, that makes no sense unless you factor in the resources Pep has worked with.
 
two signings already (including possibly the best forward on the planet next year) and at least two more being chased. this is how to do it. Surely next season they'll win the CL
 
mitchmouse said:
two signings already (including possibly the best forward on the planet next year) and at least two more being chased. this is how to do it. Surely next season they'll win the CL
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While Grealish sits on the bench just in case he's needed. Honestly I don't know how Pep manages it.
 
Lord SInister said:
But the question remains why would Pep go to a small club and try to make them successful just to prove internet critics wrong when he is wanted by all big clubs with big budgets. He started out with a bang with a big club. And then he is pursued by big bug monster clubs.
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He could go to Barcelona, who aren't going to have a big budget for a while. That's an obvious one.
 
mitchmouse said:
two signings already (including possibly the best forward on the planet next year) and at least two more being chased. this is how to do it. Surely next season they'll win the CL
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Huh??

Since when have they signed Mbappe??
 
going after Kalvin Phillips reminds me of when they signed Scott Sinclair and Jack Rodwell for no reason whatsoever
 
GlasgowCeltic said:
going after Kalvin Phillips reminds me of when they signed Scott Sinclair and Jack Rodwell for no reason whatsoever
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Don't they have to replace Fernandinho though ?

Funny thing is that when/if Kalvin Phillips becomes a top player with Pep (if he goes to City), we'll see a lot of people here saying he was already a world-class player when he was bought.
 
It really is somewhat remarkable that Guardiola's last CL title was 2011 with Barca.

Since then he's had top squads at Bayern and City for roughly a decade and couldn't win 1 CL.
 
VorZakone said:
It really is somewhat remarkable that Guardiola's last CL title was 2011 with Barca.

Since then he's had top squads at Bayern and City for roughly a decade and couldn't win 1 CL.
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Only in an alternate reality has Guardiola not won 5 champions leagues
 
footballistic orgasm said:
Don't they have to replace Fernandinho though ?

Funny thing is that when/if Kalvin Phillips becomes a top player with Pep (if he goes to City), we'll see a lot of people here saying he was already a world-class player when he was bought.
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Strong rumours it will be Declan Rice! God help us all if that happens!
 
VorZakone said:
It really is somewhat remarkable that Guardiola's last CL title was 2011 with Barca.

Since then he's had top squads at Bayern and City for roughly a decade and couldn't win 1 CL.
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After 2011 when Mourinho and Guardiola had already won the CL twice apiece, unsurprisingly it was widely thought that there would be race between them to equal / surpass Bob Paisley’s record. Who could have predicted that 11 years later Guardiola would have only have reached 1 more final and Mourinho 0 !
 
Josh 76 said:
Strong rumours it will be Declan Rice! God help us all if that happens!
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He's overrated because he's the best English player outside of the top 6. The same happened with Jack Grealish who was hyped as England's saviour and is then completely sidelined for Foden by Pep.
 
Tyrion said:
He's overrated because he's the best English player outside of the top 6. The same happened with Jack Grealish who was hyped as England's saviour and is then completely sidelined for Foden by Pep.
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Will be Jacob Ramsey by next year
 
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