You forgot to mention his hair situation.
Ah, no. My mistake. You did mention it. In every post.
Ah, no. My mistake. You did mention it. In every post.
'Pep' Guardiola sack watch
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He is a convicted cheat after all
You are, but if you offer him a good pie he may forgive you.
How many top tier managers have actually done this? Especially in the last 15-20 years?
It’s like complaining to Eden Hazard for choosing Real Madrid instead of joining Real Valladolid.
What’s up with the bald shaming?
Lolol so true.
None, and you don't have to limit it to the last 20 years either.
Plenty of managers have managed less than star studded sides. Literally everybody else.
Edit even Hazard went to Chelsea when the elite were after him!
He's not bald,it's just a wide centre parting
The football City have played over the last couple of years could not have been replicated by another manager. Their players aren’t even THAT good. No real Balon’Dor level contenders anyway, unlike Barcelona, where they were all the best in the world in their positions pretty much.
The City squad would not have won the league at United in the last 6/7 years I don’t think.
The City squad would not have won the league at United in the last 6/7 years I don’t think.
I like you but come on! it's Ballon d'or.
The spellcheck came up and I knew it was wrong, and despite being a grammar Police in real life, I chose to live on the edge this once!
I stopped reading after the OP said he took over the best team of all time.
Never knew finishing 10 points behind Villarreal was enough to earn such an accolode.
Never knew finishing 10 points behind Villarreal was enough to earn such an accolode.
I hope Ole can become half the fraud.
It's hardly his fault he took over the Barca team when he did. He was a beneficiary of good timing with his first job, the success of which set him up for the rest of his career. Can't blame him for cherry picking the jobs he wanted subsequently - most would do the same in any career if there chances of success are enhanced by doing this. And he is clearly a good manager when given the right tools/cash. Others have spent lots and still been crap.
I've said it before. He will win city a CL, its almost impossible not to given the spending he added to a side with de bruyne sterling silva and aguero in it.
Largely agree overall I expect his job after city will be psg or Juve, eventually returning to barca.
I agree its wrong to 'blame' him for taking attractive jobs but it's fair to point at other managers achieving things he hasn't. The only measure of how he does under pressure is when his three to four year bursts of success wane and that's only now really, as at the time the bayern job was a near guaranteed title.
Separately I don't like the words fraud or charlatan when describing players or managers. Doesn't carry much weight and sounds like an angry match day thread comment I think, but that's just my opinion.
He's an incredible manager, imo. Regardless of money spent, the football he has his teams playing consistently is just amazing. Give any other manager the funds he has and I doubt any of them get City playing as well as he has on a consistent basis these past few years. If your club gets Pep you're pretty much guaranteed sparkly football and trophies.
Being bald is not so bad, I shave my head every couple of weeks. I would love to be a fraud like Pep, seems like it's a lucrative business.
He’s obviously a good manager, but he’s overrated. The guy has only ever inherited exceptional squads and players, and been allowed to consistently spend big regardless.
He would crack within 6 months if he had to take on an actual challenge, not that he ever will.
He would crack within 6 months if he had to take on an actual challenge, not that he ever will.
What does ”bald” have to do with anything? Did “fraud” not feel enough?
Sounds like an unnecessary attack on appearance.Now about the substance:
1. Personally, I really do not like Guardiola. I could even say that I pretty much despise him, but that has everything to do with his personality (e.g. Ibra conflict) and nothing with his professional abilities
2. Yes, Guardiola had strong teams in all three cases. So what? First of all, no team can just run itself. Even the most talented squad needs a good coach to function, let alone win major trophies. How was the City he inherited any better than League champion United that Moyes inherited? It was not. And then what happened?
Additionally, anybody who knows anything about football can easily see that he greatly improved Barca and completely transformed City. I don’t think he did a great job at Bayern, but he got acceptable enough results to not qualify as a flop.
In summary, no Guardiola is not a fraud, by any strech of imagination. He is annoying as feck and he is certainly overrated (in my opinion) but fraud? Hell no
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The important question of this thread. OP would never say this to Jaap Stams face
Baloon is wrong in english and french.
Shaking my head
The Barca team he took over had finished below Villarreal the season before he started and then won the treble with them. The City team had finished level on points with our dog shit Van Gaal team before he had them getting 100 points within 2 years.
He’s definitely bald though you’re right.
He’s definitely bald though you’re right.
Yet the ironic thing is, managers who do take on "proper challenges" like Klopp, Sarri, Pochettino are apparently overrated because they don't win enough.
Seems a manager can't be top class unless they win with a shit team, oh wait Ranieri did that and no one rates him either.
So it begs the question, what does quantify a top manager?
Pep is the best coach in the world at present. Only problem (if one can call it that) is he can only coach at the very top. Elite level team and players or nothing. The thing is, what he produces with thag elite talent is second to none. So beautiful that we indulge him, if only to enjoy the spectacle ourselves. Life is like that I guess. There's managers who can coach plucky average players with spirit to admirable standards but will flop if put amongst elite players. I don't actually like Pep as a person, but I can't deny his quality. He and I actually have almost exactly the same footballing world view.
Now if we're doing some ranking of managers, then the mitigating factors come into play. Hence in a current ranking he would at best lace Fergie's shoes. Even Mourinho would stack up against him. But his individual quality is in absolutely no doubt, as is his baldness. And No, he's not overrated. He's just what he is...only suited to a certain level.
Fraud in general is a lucrative business if you don't get caught.
Fraud bald then. I knew it!
He's probably pretending to be a fraud too!
I bet he's actually brilliant at football management.
I bet he's actually brilliant at football management.
Yeah he really achieved the bare minimum at Barcelona. 14 trophies in 4 years is shocking I've no idea how he keeps getting new jobs . He's the Spanish Moyes . Clown !!
Thread starts with a big lie already. No need to continue reading.
And all it took was hard work, charisma and a little sprinkle of magic. Oh, and three quarters of a billion in transfers. But what's that these in today's money? That's only a little over Bayern's annual revenue.What does ”bald” have to do with anything? Did “fraud” not feel enough?
Now about the substance:
1. Personally, I really do not like Guardiola. I could even say that I pretty much despise him, but that has everything to do with his personality (e.g. Ibra conflict) and nothing with his professional abilities
2. Yes, Guardiola had strong teams in all three cases. So what? First of all, no team can just run itself. Even the most talented squad needs a good coach to function, let alone win major trophies. How was the City he inherited any better than League champion United that Moyes inherited? It was not. And then what happened?
Additionally, anybody who knows anything about football can easily see that he greatly improved Barca and completely transformed City. I don’t think he did a great job at Bayern, but he got acceptable enough results to not qualify as a flop.
In summary, no Guardiola is not a fraud, by any strech of imagination. He is annoying as feck and he is certainly overrated (in my opinion) but fraud? Hell no
Pep Guardiola is my idol
I think he's more of a fault broad.
Would have been exposed ages ago if not for a certain Cugat.
Pellegrini took you further in the CL with a weaker squad. What does that tell you?
Klopp is most likely to win the PL after winning the CL. He inherited a team with a front three of Benteke, Ings and Sturridge, so strange comparison there. Pep on the other hand has spent north of £700mil on a squad that was already capable of winning the league. There's a big difference.