No matter how you slice it, it was a laughable interpretation. Even in Pep's 1st season with Barcelona, they won 6 cups - How Bayern could be considered more successful with half the success isn't even logical. I expect Bayern to remain a force in Europe under Pep but until they accomplish anything remotely close to what Barcelona did over the past 5 seasons, including leaving a legacy over their playing style, its nothing but hyperbolic nonsense
Pep Guardiola agrees contract with Bayern
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No matter how you slice it, it was a laughable interpretation. Even in Pep's 1st season with Barcelona, they won 6 cups - How Bayern could be considered more successful with half the success isn't even logical. I expect Bayern to remain a force in Europe under Pep but until they accomplish anything remotely close to what Barcelona did over the past 5 seasons, including leaving a legacy over their playing style, its nothing but hyperbolic nonsense
Not gonna bother arguing over the legacy thing but surely Bayern still have the opportunity to win their equivalents of the otehr 3 trophies?
We still can win 6 trophies this year, only 3 have been played out so far
. I honestly don't remember Heynckes saying that and can't remember reading anything about it in the german press as well, so it can't be that big of a deal.We still can win 6 trophies this year, only 3 have been played out so far
But to suggest more without having actually done so yet remains foolish - It's only been done once in history
Schweinsteiger (Bayern): "For me, Barcelona are still the number one in Europe. They have been so consistent for the past 6 years." [bild]
I think he probably said it to ruffle a few feathers and it worked. Bayern is a big club with their own footballing identity, so someone from higher up in the club wanting them to play like Barcelona probably irked Heynkes a bit, understandably imo, and now that he's achieved the treble by sticking to his guns and playing Bayern's way it's probably just a little "I told you so". I don't think he's suggesting they've been more successful over any number of seasons, just that at this present moment, their style is more successful. Like I said though that's just how I interpreted it because obviously its been translated so could have lost its true meaning.
Yeah, Lahm said something similar recently. Wouldn't read too much into Heynckes comments. His last press conference was a joke anyway. It looked like he staged all the drama about his retirement to get more recognition from the media. He probably felt underappreciated for years because his career as a manager was always incomplete and he failed at quite a few of his clubs. There's no way anyone at Bayern thinks they have achieved more than Barca did in the last 5 years. The club acts extremely respectful towards Barca all the time, completely different to how the board talks about most of the other european top clubs. Always felt there's a lot of mutual respect between Bayern and Barca.
It will be an interesting season in Europe almost all the top clubs have had a change it is a new era now.
good post.
Interesting that you don't have overly high expectations of Pep despite his successful record. A good showing in the league and in Europe is all you expect. Moyes has won nothing but I trophies are expected this season I reckon.
Until this season 81 points was the record in the league, so I wouldn't call 80 points in the league "a good showing" (it's only 34 games in Germany, not 38 like in England). It would be an outstanding achievement. I don't think I've ever expected more than 70 - 75 points ahead of a league season to put that expectation into perspective. If the top teams play against each other in the CL, more often than not you can loose even if you play great, just like United this year. You can't really judge a CL season on one knock out tie, so if we met Barca in the quarter finals next year and lost after two great games, it's no need for drama.
I agree the thing is Guardiola has a proven track record he was at Barca and coached one of the best club sides ever. People feel Moyes is out of his depth so all his decisions will questioned immediately he has earned no goodwill. If he starts out struggling the pressure will only go up.
Of course, Heynckes was a Blanco too
Agreed on the mutual respect, among fans & players I believe
We've been truely bitter after that 4:0 smashing in the first half in 2009, but it's all better now, we can go back to loving each otherOf course, Heynckes was a Blanco too
Agreed on the mutual respect, among fans & players I believe
.We still can win 6 trophies this year, only 3 have been played out so far
I saw his last press conference life but certainly checked if I remembered it right and Bild has him at pretty much the exact same quotes here.
Of course Heynckes meant success in terms of that season, he is no idiot after all and can probably count quite well, what he meant was that Bayern would be better in the CL and he was right, so I don't see the harm in having a little dig at some European rival here.
What Heynckes on top of that tired to tell Hoeneß was that Barcas way of playing football is not the definite and only interpretation on how to play great football.
In the end he found a great mix between Dortmunds aggressive pressing and fast transition football and Barcas possession controlling tiki taka football which proved to be a great mixture.
Take that Tito.
Ouch.
Actually, it wasn't meant as a dig at Tito, but it fits perfectly to my perception of Barca in the first half of this season, can't deny that. We really should judge Tito on next season though, hopefully he stays healthy and proves me right, would increase Bayern's chance to defend the CL title.
What do we expect from Guardiola?
Revenge against Chelsea end of August - win the Fifa Club World Cup. The Bundesliga Championship - I do not care with how much points. The Supercup is less important - nice to have it but as it is one match in preseason it is not very important.
The CL has a lot to do with daily form and luck. I want Bayern to play a good role - but you cannot plan the win.
Revenge against Chelsea end of August - win the Fifa Club World Cup. The Bundesliga Championship - I do not care with how much points. The Supercup is less important - nice to have it but as it is one match in preseason it is not very important.
The CL has a lot to do with daily form and luck. I want Bayern to play a good role - but you cannot plan the win.
To retain the league title and at the very least reach the CL QF
A league title at the very minimum. The only way he could get away without a league title would be if Dortmund had an absolutely incredible season and he was successful elsewhere, but he has to be winning the league.
It's too difficult to set the Champions League as an expectation because more luck is involved in it. They could coast to the final and have one bad game for all we know. What he should be aiming for though is to try and retain and QF or further at the very least. Being knocked out by a mediocre side would be a failure.
Impossible to predict what to expect with Pep although I think it's safe to say, expect greatness
Really? Where do you view as the weak spots exactly?
I don't think we have any weak spots but I don't think we have individually the best squad in the world and with a few signings Barca, Real, United are just as strong if not better. The team was a cohesive unit with a great balance, tactically well drilled with incredible workrate. But I think that shows that the team needs a brilliant coach. I wrote that post as a response to someone saying every mediocre manager could easily lead Bayern's squad to a league title and I think that's wrong and disrespectful to Heynckes and Dortmund.
Guardiola is giving a press conference in German right now.
is he Schteving it or speaking normally?
Well, my German isn't very good but he sounds alright I guess, especially for someone who just started learning the language.
His German is quite good.
Of course it's still not fluent but that will come over time while living in Germany and working with a German staff, which he said he will keep around and only bring in some of his closest advisers.
Of course it's still not fluent but that will come over time while living in Germany and working with a German staff, which he said he will keep around and only bring in some of his closest advisers.
Definitely. I had Spanish at my University for 6 months and I couldn't speak half as much Spanish as he speaks German. I'm also pretty impressed.
Quite interesting press conference.
So far he said he won't change too much at Bayern, neither with the team nor with the way they play, he said the players at his disposal determine the way he will play football and he can't play like he did at Barca because the players are different.
When asked what his preferred football is he answered that he likes to attack, not giving away too much for now but I guess Bayern under Pep will probably look pretty much like they did last season.
So far he said he won't change too much at Bayern, neither with the team nor with the way they play, he said the players at his disposal determine the way he will play football and he can't play like he did at Barca because the players are different.
When asked what his preferred football is he answered that he likes to attack, not giving away too much for now but I guess Bayern under Pep will probably look pretty much like they did last season.
I loved how he called Rummenigge "Kalle" several times . Says a lot about the connection between Guardiola and the club, imo. You usually don't call your boss by his nickname in public on the first day at work. His german is already really impressive and I'm sure it will only get better when he speaks german all day every day.
. Says a lot about the connection between Guardiola and the club, imo. You usually don't call your boss by his nickname in public on the first day at work. His german is already really impressive and I'm sure it will only get better when he speaks german all day every day.The least you can say about Guardiola is that he's a pro
I loved how he called Rummenigge "Kalle" several times
For a second I thought he spoke Swedish (we also nickname our Karls "Kalle"). His German was alright I suppose.
Not tinkering too much is understandable. He has a great team at his disposal offensively and defensively.
Does anyone think he took the easiest option available to him?
I would have loved him here as our next manager. I wonder if he'd have chosen us over Bayern.
Couldn't agree more. I mean it is natural as he doesn't have a lot of first team managing experience but certainly he couldn't have looked for an easier target. The team is already made and he got transfer-funds to invest even more in it. He got unlucky that the team ended it with a triple but when he chose it there were certainly no easier option available on the market.
I am sure he will be successful but he doesn't really achieve anything new. He will join the worlds best team and possibly improve it marginally and win a lot of titles then leave. Hopefully he takes a more daring step the next time.
feck me he's talking fluently Italian as well. And learned German pretty quick. Bright fella.
He said to "Kalle" that he's glad Bayern won all those titles. It would be much more difficult to work with players who again failed to win the CL final. The pressure to win the CL would be even bigger if Bayern didn't win it last season. Defending the CL title would be something new by the way, no one has done it before. And he has to face one of the best teams in europe in the league.
If his options were Chelsea, United, City and Bayern, I agree that it's probably easier to win the CL or league with Bayern than with one of the three english teams now. It's far from an easy job, though. Bayern were last year clearly a team way greater than the sum of its parts and less reliable on individual brilliance than other teams. To keep a team performing on that level, keep the players motivated and make them play with determination after winnng everything isn't easy.
He played in Italy for 3 seasons, so I'm not really surprised he speaks Italian as well, but he's clearly talented in learning languages and probably puts a lot of time and effort in it.
Who blames him for choosing a strong team anyway? Its not like he has anything to prove.
if I was him I would do exactly the same.
if I was him I would do exactly the same.
Not many top managers would let go of the chance to manage bayern and pick a weaker club. doesnt work that way.
Most would. Doubt there are many managers around who'd deliberately pick a weaker team.
I think it's just a misnomer. Why the hell not go to bayern? It's a chance to work with great players and mould a great team. Hopefully win a lot of stuff.
Would you expect players to nopt for signing for lesser clubs just because the challenge is bigger there?
Managers want to win things same as players do.
The United job wasnt available when his deal with Bayern was done. No manager would relish working under Abrahamovic and City as a club wont be an attractive to someone like him either, definitely not even close to Bayern. More challenging yes, but you have to consider the overall picture. The interesting bit would have been if our job was available too.