Pedro | Agreed terms with Chelsea

[pierrethesnack]

It is strange to see some people moaning about the potential signing of one of the most consistent Barca players for the last years.

Especially given the fact he is exactly what we need and has a reasonable price tag.

I don't see much moaning.

 

[CLARiiON]

Neymar is injured or something. So don't think Barca will let go till Neymar is back.

 

[Mali_Zeus]

What I dont get is this - Barca is stalling the deal cause Neymar is injured. But if Pedro goes who will jump instead of Neymar or Suarez when the season starts?

 

[CLARiiON]

What I dont get is this - Barca is stalling the deal cause Neymar is injured. But if Pedro goes who will jump instead of Neymar or Suarez when the season starts?

Board never wanted to sell Pedro, everyone has been asking him to stay. It's his decision, not board's.

If he goes, next in line will be Sandro and Munir. I though prefer Sandro.

 

[Mali_Zeus]

I hope we'll know something tomorrow evening or on Wednesday morning.

 

[rover]

the excuse of neymar's injury is ridiculous.

 

[FCBarca]

the excuse of neymar's injury is ridiculous.

Depends on your perspective, clearly. It's a cup they covet and Pedro's record in cup competitions is well known. Neymar is out which makes Pedrito valuable

Unfortunate timing but would be prudent to keep him longer, even if they risk United balking at the delay. Tough for the player no doubt but he won't force anything

 

[devilish]

Lets just trigger the fecking minimum fee clause and get it over with

 

[Balu]

Okay, I'll take it in here instead to not go too far off topic in the De Bruyne thread:

I thought that Sanchez replaced Villa, not Pedro. Pedro played the following season as well (IMO, his second best ever season).

Villa still started regularly until his horrible leg break, which more or less ended his career at the end of 2012. Pep experimented at times with formations without both Villa and Pedro that season, for example the clasico with Fabregas as a false 9 and Messi and Sanchez on the wings if I remember correctly. Pedro was nothing special in 11/12, left out of the starting XI in most big games with Fabregas, Sanchez and Thiago prefered over him, often in some weird 3-4-3 midfield diamond, at times with Alves as a right winger.

I agree that individually Pedro isn't as good as De Bruyne, but then so isn't Muller too. Personally, I rate Muller in top 5 despite that there are tens of players who are better than him individually. I find Pedro quite similar in style to Muller, not the best individually but a fantastic player who is tactically great. Not as good as Muller, but still very good.

I'd say it's unfair to reduce Müller to Pedro's role at Barca. Müller is much more creative in his runs, he's a leader on the pitch, driving the team forward, he's vocal, he's doing things on his own all the time that no manager tells him to do. That's not Pedro. I could never see Pedro having that much influence on a team like Müller had for us in the treble win or for Germany in the World Cup win.

This is why Pedro exactly fits United under LVG and why any creative players will think twice before agreeing to join United, especially after what happened to ADM.

I kinda agree and disagree at the same time. I think he fits van Gaal's philosophy perfectly, in theory. The problem is that United are struggling because of a huge lack of creativity in attack. United's set-up is pretty one-dimensional at the moment and they don't have anyone who offers what Rivaldo/Figo did in van Gaal's Barca side or what Ribery/Robben did in van Gaal's Bayern team. It looks like van Gaal wants Depay to play the Litmanen/Müller role, but that means they still need someone to connect midfield and attack in that possession set-up. Pedro should be an upgrade on Young on the wing, so he's certainly a good signing. But he doesn't really fix the problem.

 

[Speak]

It'll be interesting to see just what he's got, if he arrives. He won't be playing with players with anything near the same technical ability as he's used to. Much more onus on him to create than before when, frankly, he just looked extremely busy, but not overly creative.

Maybe the increased reliance would suit him, though.

 

[Revan]

I'd say it's unfair to reduce Müller to Pedro's role at Barca. Müller is much more creative in his runs, he's a leader on the pitch, driving the team forward, he's vocal, he's doing things on his own all the time that no manager tells him to do. That's not Pedro. I could never see Pedro having that much influence on a team like Müller had for us in the treble win or for Germany in the World Cup win.

Never said that Pedro is as good. I rate Muller just behind Messi, Ronaldo, Suarez and Neymar. Pedro is way below them.

Just that they are quite similar. Intelligent players whom with their intelligence and tactical adaptibility compensate for their lack of individual brilliance. In Muller's case that makes him one of the best, in Pedro's case that makes him a very good player.

Anyway, I think that he'll be a good signing for us and an instant upgrade on Young and possibly Mata (on the wing).

In fact, we are not disagreeing at all bar that I seem to rate him more in 2011-2012 season and especially in 2010-2011 season. Pep signing Sanchez doesn't mean much. Any top team needs top players. Pep rotated Pedro and Sanchez when they both were there, as did Martino and Vilanova. They both have almost exactly the same minutes. For comparison, Pep tried to get Pirlo despite that he had Busquets, Iniesta and Xavi. You need more than three top players for three positions (injuries, rotations etc) when you have 55-60 games per season

 

[Mister_Stubbs]

This is dragging on to much for my liking, just get it done.

 

[Kant-ona]

Isn't Pedro something like a Shaquiri? He looks great in a great team but when he plays in "normal" side he ends up at Stoke.

 

[Raptori]

Isn't Pedro something like a Shaquiri? He looks great in a great team but when he plays in "normal" side he ends up at Stoke.

That's the question, isn't it. I remember reading that there were fierce debates in Spain years ago about whether he was a quality player or just the lucky kid who plays in the best team in the world. Sounded like it was a 50/50 split, even in Barcelona.

 

[Sir A1ex]

Isn't Pedro something like a Shaquiri? He looks great in a great team but when he plays in "normal" side he ends up at Stoke.

Surely nobody knows? He's never played in a "normal" side.

 

[Getsme]

He's the second highest goal scorer in the current Barcelona side (since Messis debut) all this despite being a bit part player at times.

 

[Mainoldo]

He's the second highest goal scorer in the current Barcelona side (since Messis debut) all this despite being a bit part player at times.

I'm going to have a random guess and say... He's been there there the longest too???

 

[Balu]

He's the second highest goal scorer in the current Barcelona side (since Messis debut) all this despite being a bit part player at times.

I'm sure it was since Pedro's debut? Messi's debut was in 2004 and Eto'o scored a lot more goals until he left in 2009 than Pedro did between 2008 and today. Since Pedro's debut he played significantly more minutes than all the other successful attackers. Neymar is there for only 2 seasons, Suarez for 1. Villa only had one and a half seasons before he broke his leg, Ibra had one season, Henry and Eto'o also only one.

Alexis Sanchez is usually considered a failure at Barca, but in his 3 seasons at Barca he still scored more goals than Pedro while playing less minutes.

 

[Getsme]

I'm sure it was since Pedro's debut? Messi's debut was in 2004 and Eto'o scored a lot more goals until he left in 2009 than Pedro did between 2008 and today. Since Pedro's debut he played significantly more minutes than all the other successful attackers. Neymar is there for only 2 seasons, Suarez for 1. Villa only had one and a half seasons before he broke his leg, Ibra had one season, Henry and Eto'o also only one.

Alexis Sanchez is usually considered a failure at Barca, but in his 3 seasons at Barca he still scored more goals than Pedro while playing less minutes.

I get that, my post is in response to the posts above mine in regards to him having to have a great team around him to shine.

 

[JPRouve]

Alexis Sanchez is usually considered a failure at Barca, but in his 3 seasons at Barca he still scored more goals than Pedro while playing less minutes.

Just for the sake of information, Pedro scored 42 goals and 32 assists while Sanchez scored 47 goals and 32 assists. And Pedro played 7.5 more games. They are very close.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Alexis Sanchez is usually considered a failure at Barca, but in his 3 seasons at Barca he still scored more goals than Pedro while playing less minutes.

If Sanchez is considered a failure at Barca (and he no doubt is by many), it's because he was supposed to step up and become a world beater – which he didn't.

Meanwhile, Pedro was the reliable squad option. So, within the same period Pedro looks like an excellent squad man for one of the best sides in Europe – whereas Sanchez effectively looks like an underwhelming version of Neymar.

 

[2 man midfield]

I thought he had a 22m release clause? So surely it isn't a question of Barca hanging on until Neymar comes back. If we meet the clause, they have no say.

 

[Hellboy]

City interested according to Mundo Deportivo.

 

[Werder Herzog]

If he has a release clause at such a low price then surely we have learnt from Fellaini that it's best to just get it paid. It makes me think we are not actually interested in Pedro at all and it's all just tosh made up from the media.

 

[devilish]

He doesn't seem so enthusiastic to come to United

 

[Balu]

If Sanchez is considered a failure at Barca (and he no doubt is by many), it's because he was supposed to step up and become a world beater – which he didn't.

Meanwhile, Pedro was the reliable squad option. So, within the same period Pedro looks like an excellent squad man for one of the best sides in Europe – whereas Sanchez effectively looks like an underwhelming version of Neymar.

Well yeah, of course. I agree with that 100%. But it turned into hyping Pedro into an outstanding individual and that hype swapped over in many other transfer threads, like for example Pedro being called a better player than De Bruyne or that he shits ability-wise on Douglas Costa or things like that. And it's really silly in my opinion.

 

[ChaddyP]

Bastian fecking Schweinsteiger. I didn't even have to tug Varun Jr, he had a mind of his own once the signing was confirmed.

Yeah I think his transfer was done pretty quickly and woukd probably had more effective had we signed Morgan first

 

[Yorkeontop]

He is not the messiah here to lead us to glory. At best he will be an improvement on Ashley Young, any more than that I do not expect.

 

[11101]

Isn't Pedro something like a Shaquiri? He looks great in a great team but when he plays in "normal" side he ends up at Stoke.

A great team is exactly what we're trying to construct. He can fumble about all he likes in 'normal' sides because if thats what we end up with Pedro will be the least of our problems.

 

[marukomu]

Still nothing? This is boring.

 

[ryan_forlan]

Is there a chance that Barca are trying to hold on to him as long as they can to give them more time to convince him to stick around as first back-up(which actually will be second choice once Turan is available)?
The whole Barca deal(the one being sold by the papers) seems weird. They want him to stay for the three super cup matches as Neymar is injured. Then, they also want to keep him as back-up. This is only till January, by when they will have Arda Turan available. I hope Pedro and his people are not stupid enough to fall for this. I also feel Barca should let him go smoothly(especially cause they have agreed to let him go and understand his desire to leave). For a youth product who has been a loyal and top-class servant for them, they should allow the transfer to go through and not let petty things risk the deal. Once again, I am saying this cause they have accepted letting him go.

 

[MDFC Manager]

I thought he had a 22m release clause? So surely it isn't a question of Barca hanging on until Neymar comes back. If we meet the clause, they have no say.

Its not a clause, just a verbal agreement. The buyout clause is at €150m or something like that

 

[Sir A1ex]

They want him to stay for the three super cup matches as Neymar is injured.

Wait, three super cup matches?

 

[rover]

i take the "city interest" as a leverage to force us to meet the 30m release clause

 

[2 man midfield]

Its not a clause, just a verbal agreement. The buyout clause is at €150m or something like that

Ah, yeah. Rings a bell. Cheers.

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

Putting it out there as a lot of people in here have spoken about Pedro as if he is already a member of the squad, What happens if we don't actually get him?

 

[FCBarca]

Wait, three super cup matches?

Spanish Supercup is over 2 legs

 

[rover]

Depends on your perspective, clearly. It's a cup they covet and Pedro's record in cup competitions is well known. Neymar is out which makes Pedrito valuable

Unfortunate timing but would be prudent to keep him longer, even if they risk United balking at the delay. Tough for the player no doubt but he won't force anything

for a decent football club especially for barca they should have enough depth to cover for injuries. this is ridiculous for barca to rely on a going-away player to stand by, unless this is just an excuse for more money. if this is really the case, then what barca is going to do after sept 1 if neymar is hitten by bus? inserting a recall clause from the pedro's exit agreement? and also this is a big slap for la masia as well i would say. even for the last reason when saurex was not available in the early season time barca didn't have problem to make it up. so what's the problem being right now?
if this is just about money then barca just need to say unless the release clause is met pedro will go nowhere.

actually as a protocol of football industry, if all parties are agreed of a transfer is imminent, the player should not play anymore. i am not sure if you are aware or not, barca under the bartomeu's administration has lost a lot of decency, hopefully it's not going to be classless at all

 

[Sir A1ex]

Spanish Supercup is over 2 legs

Oh, Spanish and European, I see.

 

[Name Changed]

We shouldn't have been messing about with this one. Enrique clearly doesn't want him to go, so the earlier the better for us in getting it done. It would serve us right now if he doesn't sign.