Pedro | Agreed terms with Chelsea
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This really does feel like such an important signing now. Our options on the wing are just so poor.
As for the Young/Pedro comparisons, here are their stats* since Young joined United -
Young - Goals - 10 Assists - 16
Pedro - Goals - 33 - Assists - 25
*League games only
As for the Young/Pedro comparisons, here are their stats* since Young joined United -
Young - Goals - 10 Assists - 16
Pedro - Goals - 33 - Assists - 25
*League games only
I am feeling the opposite. I was pretty keen on this transfer when the story started but the longer it goes on the less bothered I am about it. I still think he is a good player who would do well for us but I think we are aiming higher and I like that. He's a decent plan B or C if we are desperate though.
He would be a perfect fit for us, how many Plan A's have worked out for us? Falcao, ADM etc. Who else is possibly available? And for such a low price of £22m, he has 98 goals in 308 games for Barcelona and last season still managed 11 goals in total for them, that would be 2nd top goal scorer for us last season, or maybe top if he had got more game time. He got 6 assists as well, and his pass completion rate was 87% for the season, for the 6 assists he got he again would have been second in our team last season.
The problem is there are no other plan A's available. All the current top players are already at top clubs. We're still suffering from missing out on Hazard, and to a lesser extent Sanchez.
If we play out the season with Young and Mata as our wingers, we're not going to achieve much in all honesty. Probably consolidate 4th position again, but we'll struggle to challenge City/Chelsea/Arsenal. We need more firepower, and though Pedro won't be the solution on his own, he's a good starting point.
Audio translation
Pedro no te vaja
Pedro don't go
Pedro eres el mejor
Pedro you are the best
Pedro el primer jugador del barça a marcar en todas las competiciones
Pedro the first Barça's player ever to score a goal in every competition
Pedro te vas?
Pedro, do you leave?
No se
I don't know
No te vajas
Don't go
I agree with both of you that he is a good player. The problem is we have a lot of 'good' players already. Imo Van Gaal really nailed our attacking problems in a recent interview. Here are the relevant quotes:
Van Gaal said:
Pedro fits very comfortably in with that list of our players that Van Gaal names. If you compare him to our current first choice wingers in Young and Mata then last season he had a better rate of assists than both, a worse rate of creating chances than both and his scoring rate was the same as Mata's and better than Young's. That was him playing for the best team in the world, if he came to us I expect his numbers would dip.
What we need imo are not more good players, like Pedro, but one or two really special players. Sam you mention Hazard and Sanchez as two players we missed out on and I agree completely, but I think that's the level of player we are currently after.
Who is available that would fit that criteria? It would be good to get someone that could transform the team, I just dont know who it could be.
Pedro is surely more a replaceable or upgrade for Mata on the wing, and not ADM's replacement as has been suggested.
If LvG is insisting on playing Depay in behind Rooney long term then we really have to go all out for a top LW player, this though creates a problem as one of Mata, or Herrera might be surplus to requirements.
Front four is all a bit of mess still imo.
If LvG is insisting on playing Depay in behind Rooney long term then we really have to go all out for a top LW player, this though creates a problem as one of Mata, or Herrera might be surplus to requirements.
Front four is all a bit of mess still imo.
This I do not get. We have so many options for the 10... why is Memphis not on a wing?
Van Gaal logic.
Baffles me a bit too. Surely Rooney, Herrera or Mata in the 10 with Memphis wide would make more sense. The only thing i can think of is that he feels our midfield and attack are too disconnected, so wants someone with pace to run through the middle. Much like Di Maria was meant to before the burglars took his Travellers along with his TV.
If you go based on his time at Bayern and Ajax, no.10 was more of a second striker than an attacking midfielder. At Ajax, Jari Litmanen; at Bayern, Thomas Muller. If you take that perspective, Depay is more suited to no.10 than the other options.
If you just need an attacking midfielder, yeah, play Mata, but I don't think No.10's role is that.
It's utterly ridiculous. Some of his decisions are mind boggling at times.
He over complicates things far too much.
...........Rooney
Memphis........... Pedro
Scneiderlin Herrera Bastien
Looks awesome on paper, but LVG is insistent on playing a classy LW as a number 10. Madness.
Memphis........... Pedro
Scneiderlin Herrera Bastien
Looks awesome on paper, but LVG is insistent on playing a classy LW as a number 10. Madness.
But couldn't Rooney play as a second striker? A role we know he can play, and one where being 30 won't matter quite as much, and sign the striker we need to play in front?
I was very critical of him last season. It doesn't look like he's going to change my opinion of him any time soon either.
Mata is, to me anyway, far more of a second striker then a traditional #10 anyway. His best asset is his finishing. Why not play him behind Rooney, and move Memphis to the left?
Is it gonna be United habit? Signinh big clubs reject: valdes, schweny, mata, di maria, falcao. Now pedro (maybe).
Exactly, he's played this role very well in the past, including that outstanding season at Chelsea. As i said before, the only thing i can think of when pondering Memphis playing behind Rooney is that maybe LvG wants some speed breaking from midfield which we wouldn't get with Mata.
Pace and strength, neither of which Mata has. Having someone in the middle who is fast, strong, can head, who can hold the ball up and score gives more options than someone who lacks some or most those.
Monaco are hardly a big club.
Because Louis thinks his pace, ans directness will help cover up Rooney's weaknesses......apparently.
Real Madrid reject?
If thats the quality of player we will get then yes, no team in the world can go into Bayern, Barca or Madrid and take there top players, Madrid couldnt sign Messi, Iniesta, Suarez , Muller or Ribery etc and vice versa
Right.. Just all the others are ones that we have signed directly from the big clubs (with the exception of Valdes who's last club was Barca).
We weren't used to do that in the last 20 years under SAF. So it's a new habit for United, which I personally don't like. I still prefer the proven success method (under Fergie), by signing the like of Schneiderlin, Depay, and Darmian types. Even the like of RvP is fine, as we know how desperate and proud he was to join us.
Yeah we're feeding on scraps of the big clubs. 
How was Schweini a reject? He's a bayern legend and just wanted to go while they wanted him to stay but wouldn't stand in his way since he was a legend for them. Valdes was just a free transfer as well to be back up for De Gea and then Di Maria was a key player who fell out over a contract dispute basically. Mata is pretty much the only one who was a big name player who Chelsea just didn't need anymore.
I'm not sure where this reject talk comes from. It's borderline stupid. It's not even worth getting into. I bet most Barcelona fans would want Pedro to stay. He might not play every game, but he's proven over a number of years a valuable member of the team. This kinda mentality, as well as the idea players using us for a better contract and some other nonsense is just that. Nonsense.
you can make a case he wanted to go because he wasn't going to get in the first team anymore, and they wanted him to stay as a squad player but he said didnt want that.
I might be wrong but thats how i read the situation
If they wanted him to stay, he'd still be there. It's that simple. It was quite obvious by their comments that they didn't mind selling him, but at the same time had the necessary respect for him and what he's done for them.
It would've been more because he clashed with Pep's style kind of, but he was too big of a name and too good of a player to use as a squad player so Pep was okay with letting him go. He's still better then their other midfielders, and was so last season when he got a run without injuries at the end, but during the other parts of the season he couldn't play alongside Alonso who Pep preferred.
Either way, he definitely wasn't a Bayern reject. He just wanted to have one last challenge somewhere else like he always said he wanted to do, after he won everything. And it worked alright for Bayern too since they have a lot of promising players who need to get their chance to impress, even if they aren't as good as Schweinsteiger is.
At least he didn't say only god knows.
He's definitely Bayern's reject, in the means that he couldn't hack it as Bayern's first XI. It's the same with Valdes and (might be) Pedro.
It doesn't always mean a bad thing. Robben and Sneijder were Madrid reject. RvN was United reject when Madrid signed him. So was Sanchez by Barca. I just don't like if that's become United habit.
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They're much bigger than PSG that's for sure & not to mention the likes of Marseille, St. Etienne, Nantes, Bordeaux who are bigger too. Even Stade de Reims have more League titles than those new-money pricks..
That's the thing though, it's not that Schweinsteiger couldn't hack it in their first 11. He was still first choice when fit, unlike the others. Just he was injured too often last season so never really got to top form, but he was still starting when fit.
I didn't realize Pedro was 28. Not that it changes my opinion on the transfer (I think he'd be a very good signing), but it doesn't feel like he's been around that long at all.
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