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where will Pedro go?

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United22 said:
Not saying he is average, but he is not the top class force that a lot of people on here seem to think he is. Fair enough, most players would be benched for Suarez, but remember that Sanchez ended up benching Pedro. The Pedro of 2009-2011 form would have probably not let that happen. There has been an undeniable decline in Pedro, and he has never reached those heights since. For our attacking slots, we should be looking at top/world class players, not someone like Pedro
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No one here has said that he's as good as Sanchez. He's just one step below, which is still very good footballer.

I actually do agree that I would ideal like to see Di Maria replaced by someone as good as him or Sanchez, but calling him average is the other extreme. I'd have him on the right over mata and I doubt anyone here calls him average.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
No one here has said that he's as good as Sanchez. He's just one step below, which is still very good footballer.

I actually do agree that I would ideal like to see Di Maria replaced by someone as good as him or Sanchez, but calling him average is the other extreme. I'd have him on the right over mata and I doubt anyone here calls him average.
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Very good point. Mata's one of those who people always point back to his stuff two/three years ago. but it's always okay when it's Mata.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
No one here has said that he's as good as Sanchez. He's just one step below, which is still very good footballer.

I actually do agree that I would ideal like to see Di Maria replaced by someone as good as him or Sanchez, but calling him average is the other extreme. I'd have him on the right over mata and I doubt anyone here calls him average.
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He isn't a massive upgrade over Mata, he is a goalscorer who finishes extremely well like Mata. Look at their stats for last season and compare them
 
United22 said:
Not saying he is average, but he is not the top class force that a lot of people on here seem to think he is. Fair enough, most players would be benched for Suarez, but remember that Sanchez ended up benching Pedro. The Pedro of 2009-2011 form would have probably not let that happen. There has been an undeniable decline in Pedro, and he has never reached those heights since. For our attacking slots, we should be looking at top/world class players, not someone like Pedro
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Tata Martino actually benched Sanchez in all the big games too and shoehorned Fabregas into the starting lineup with Neymar moved to the right wing (:wenger:). Who Tata used or didn't use is hardly evidence for anything IMO.

I've followed Sanchez' whole Barca career. In all honesty, there was no point where he was truly a level above Pedro in that team. For example Sanchez scored in only 2 Champions League games in 3 seasons with Barca. He never really performed in that competition. His 12/13 season (as a whole) in particular was horrible. The amount of misses he produced you wouldn't even imagine if you only knew about the current Arsenal Sanchez. Just a few here:



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He only got it together in his third and last season, played at the level you would expect of him and left on a positive note. But again, nothing that Pedro hasn't shown before. He still often remained very frustrating with his decision making and bad dribbling, which he even admitted himself.



After seeing them both at the same team for 3 years it's almost surreal to me that one is seen as a top top player and the other isn't wanted because "we have Januzaj". I mean you never know how these things will turn out at the end (Di Maria, Falcao) but I'm convinced if Pedro were to come to United he would become a fan favourite. Not in the same way as a superstar player but more like "the underrated hero" à la Park who somehow manages to be important in big games without much flash.
 
Cait Sith said:
Tata Martino actually benched Sanchez in all the big games too and shoehorned Fabregas into the starting lineup with Neymar moved to the right wing (:wenger:). Who Tata used or didn't use is hardly evidence for anything IMO.

I've followed Sanchez' whole Barca career. In all honesty, there was no point where he was truly a level above Pedro in that team. For example Sanchez scored in only 2 Champions League games in 3 seasons with Barca. He never really performed in that competition. His 12/13 season (as a whole) in particular was horrible. The amount of misses he produced you wouldn't even imagine if you only knew about the current Arsenal Sanchez. Just a few here:



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He only got it together in his third and last season, played at the level you would expect of him and left on a positive note. But again, nothing that Pedro hasn't shown before. He still often remained very frustrating with his decision making and bad dribbling, which he even admitted himself.



After seeing them both at the same team for 3 years it's almost surreal to me that one is seen as a top top player and the other isn't wanted because "we have Januzaj". I mean you never know how these things will turn out at the end (Di Maria, Falcao) but I'm convinced if Pedro were to come to United he would become a fan favourite. Not in the same way as a superstar player but more like "the underrated hero" à la Park who somehow manages to be important in big games without much flash.
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Quality post from first hand witness. Even without your superior knowledge of respective players I strongly agree with your thoughts. Sanchez is a quality player of highest level but so its Pedro. I used to hate his antics and diving but at the same time I was in secret admiration of his workrate and wise movements.

I really hope we sign him, with or without AdM leaving. He's an unsung quality player who will dramatically improve or scoring ability.
 
Cait Sith said:
Tata Martino actually benched Sanchez in all the big games too and shoehorned Fabregas into the starting lineup with Neymar moved to the right wing (:wenger:). Who Tata used or didn't use is hardly evidence for anything IMO.

I've followed Sanchez' whole Barca career. In all honesty, there was no point where he was truly a level above Pedro in that team. For example Sanchez scored in only 2 Champions League games in 3 seasons with Barca. He never really performed in that competition. His 12/13 season (as a whole) in particular was horrible. The amount of misses he produced you wouldn't even imagine if you only knew about the current Arsenal Sanchez. Just a few here:



(Sorry for the music.)

He only got it together in his third and last season, played at the level you would expect of him and left on a positive note. But again, nothing that Pedro hasn't shown before. He still often remained very frustrating with his decision making and bad dribbling, which he even admitted himself.



After seeing them both at the same team for 3 years it's almost surreal to me that one is seen as a top top player and the other isn't wanted because "we have Januzaj". I mean you never know how these things will turn out at the end (Di Maria, Falcao) but I'm convinced if Pedro were to come to United he would become a fan favourite. Not in the same way as a superstar player but more like "the underrated hero" à la Park who somehow manages to be important in big games without much flash.
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Good post. I rate Sanchez as the better player but anyone who thinks there is a huge gap in talent between them is delusional. Pedro is the better team player and has always been the better passer as well.
 
hebegebe said:
Reading the Caf, I thought Pedro could play in more than one position?

We should be signing the Neymar's of this world, not the cast off's like Pedro.
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He can play on either flanks, he's never operated in the Iniesta role, which is Turan's primary role.

We have bought Memphis at the kind of age Neymar was when he moved to Barca, so we are doing our best, but look at Bayern with Douglas Costa and Chelsea with Willian, neither of those players are better than Pedro.
 
Devil may care said:
He can play on either flanks, he's never operated in the Iniesta role, which is Turan's primary role.

We have bought Memphis at the kind of age Neymar was when he moved to Barca, so we are doing our best, but look at Bayern with Douglas Costa and Chelsea with Willian, neither of those players are better than Pedro.
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Again, that's my point, William is nothing more than a squad player, I suspect with Robben and Ribery, Costa will be the same. Pedro is no more than a squad player, the notion by some members of the Caf that he will come to the Prem and score 20+ goals is delusional, especially when his career appears to be on the wane.
 
Pedro didn't do much but race through on goal and finish... I remember his break through season when he was 'pedrito' and remember think he was one of the most overrated players in the world having watched him a lot... now that I'm older I guess he was playing a role perfectly as Messi moved to false 9.

I think you'd have to be concerned with our lack of creativity. Fair enough comparing him and Sanchez while at Barce - but pedro has only been tested at Barce where, if you make the runs, chances are plenty. We'll see but I don't see Rooney/Messi Iniesta/Herrera Bastian/Xavi lining up similarly in terms of ptting through good through balls, also in a league now where it is culturally acceptable to just sit compact on edge of box rather than spain where teams try to press barce
 
prarek said:
Good post. I rate Sanchez as the better player but anyone who thinks there is a huge gap in talent between them is delusional. Pedro is the better team player and has always been the better passer as well.
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Better team player I agree. Not convinced he's a better passer, the opposite is my view. You just need to look at Alexis playing for Chile to see he's capable of excellent passes that Pedro either won't try or can't execute.
 
hebegebe said:
Again, that's my point, William is nothing more than a squad player, I suspect with Robben and Ribery, Costa will be the same. Pedro is no more than a squad player, the notion by some members of the Caf that he will come to the Prem and score 20+ goals is delusional, especially when his career appears to be on the wane.
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Willian starts regularly for Chelsea. Pedro is a consistent goal scorer at Barca, he doesn't start as regularly as he would at 98% of other clubs because Barcelona have a video game frontline, none of this makes him just a squad player.
 
Bob Loblaw said:
Better team player I agree. Not convinced he's a better passer, the opposite is my view. You just need to look at Alexis playing for Chile to see he's capable of excellent passes that Pedro either won't try or can't execute.
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Haven't really seen much of him for Chile so can't comment on that but I was mostly talking about his time at Barca.
 
prarek said:
Haven't really seen much of him for Chile so can't comment on that but I was mostly talking about his time at Barca.
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Fair enough. Alexis didn't really show much passing ability at Barcelona.
 
With Pedro I feel like it would be a similar situation to Di Maria. We will be taking a player who played a role where they were successful supporting superstar players and now expecting than to come in a become a star for us. I guess he can be a decent support/rotation player for us but, if anyone is expecting him to come in and light up the PL it will probably end up in disappointment.
 
All im reading the last few pages is some people thinking he is great to others saying hes average, we stop this jibber jaber, I want to see potential formations, potential chants and textbook muppetry
 
Keeps It tidy said:
With Pedro I feel like it would be a similar situation to Di Maria. We will be taking a player who played a role where they were successful supporting superstar players and now expecting than to come in a become a star for us. I guess he can be a decent support/rotation player for us but, if anyone is expecting him to come in and light up the PL it will probably end up in disappointment.
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I think you under value his contribution at Barca man & many do too tbh. But i think if he signs for us - he will light OT - he's a United type of player & the fans will love him here if he show's last season's form with us this season..

Of course if he doesnt sign for us - we'll all automatically say he's shite, past it, was carried by others, is massively crap at dribbling & we dodged a bullet with that useless prick.

That's football fans for ya - fickle to the core :D
 
Will be interesting to see if he's in the squad for the game Saturday USA time. Barça Blaugranes ran a story from El Pais saying Pedro will join United after the UEFA Super Cup, the timing of which I doubt to be the case.
 
Devil may care said:
Willian starts regularly for Chelsea. Pedro is a consistent goal scorer at Barca, he doesn't start as regularly as he would at 98% of other clubs because Barcelona have a video game frontline, none of this makes him just a squad player.
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It seems we will never agree on Pedro, but at the end of the day I do value your opinion, even though opposite to mine. I look forward to disagreeing with you again.
 
Cait Sith said:
Tata Martino actually benched Sanchez in all the big games too and shoehorned Fabregas into the starting lineup with Neymar moved to the right wing (:wenger:). Who Tata used or didn't use is hardly evidence for anything IMO.

I've followed Sanchez' whole Barca career. In all honesty, there was no point where he was truly a level above Pedro in that team. For example Sanchez scored in only 2 Champions League games in 3 seasons with Barca. He never really performed in that competition. His 12/13 season (as a whole) in particular was horrible. The amount of misses he produced you wouldn't even imagine if you only knew about the current Arsenal Sanchez. Just a few here:



(Sorry for the music.)

He only got it together in his third and last season, played at the level you would expect of him and left on a positive note. But again, nothing that Pedro hasn't shown before. He still often remained very frustrating with his decision making and bad dribbling, which he even admitted himself.



After seeing them both at the same team for 3 years it's almost surreal to me that one is seen as a top top player and the other isn't wanted because "we have Januzaj". I mean you never know how these things will turn out at the end (Di Maria, Falcao) but I'm convinced if Pedro were to come to United he would become a fan favourite. Not in the same way as a superstar player but more like "the underrated hero" à la Park who somehow manages to be important in big games without much flash.
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Even if you only look at their time together at Barca you could see a difference in class between Sánchez and Pedro when they went to play for their country. It was obviously a confidence thing with Sánchez. I agree there was very little between them at Barca but that was due to Sánchez performing below his best for various reasons. At his best he was/is on a different level to Pedro IMO.
 
Brwned said:
Even if you only look at their time together at Barca you could see a difference in class between Sánchez and Pedro when they went to play for their country. It was obviously a confidence thing with Sánchez. I agree there was very little between them at Barca but that was due to Sánchez performing below his best for various reasons. At his best he was/is on a different level to Pedro IMO.
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Yep. Cafeïsts may try convincing us the world is flat, but we know that's sheep dung. Just as we refuse to accept their rewriting of history and trying to make Pedro sound like a signing of scintillatesque proportions..
 
Kevin said:
Yep. Cafeïsts may try convincing us the world is flat, but we know that's sheep dung. Just as we refuse to accept their rewriting of history and trying to make Pedro sound like a signing of scintillatesque proportions..
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He will provide good cover and competition for Memphis / Mata - similar to (but better than) what Young will provide this season. If it keeps Mata performing at his best whist allowing us to rest players and keep them fresh - not a bad signing. Not a 'game-changer' type signing like Bale / Ronaldo / Muller that will propel us to title challengers on his own though
 
With regards to Alexis vs Pedro, I think they are 2 different types of players.

Pedro more consistent, but also less flashy. Scores goals, creates space, doesn't take too much risks with passing.
Alexis likes to dribble, cuts inside, unpredictable. Sometimes spectacular end-product but also have bloopers.

Both have high energy and speed to burn.

IMO, a simplistic view of two different types of players.
 
United22 said:
He isn't a massive upgrade over Mata, he is a goalscorer who finishes extremely well like Mata. Look at their stats for last season and compare them
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I didn't say he was a massive upgrade on Mata. But if he settles well he should be the better option given he can actually run at defenders.

The only issue is whether he can adapt to English football.
 
He's better out wide than Mata, more proven than Depay/Januzaj and superior by any measure to Young/Valencia. The squad would undoubtedly be improved by his addition to it.
 
Cait Sith said:
Valdes wasn't terrible. Personally don't rate him that highly either but there is a middle ground between world class and terrible. Terrible players don't get a starting spot for clubs like Barca for well over a decade.

Valdes CL final 2006:

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While he'll never be remembered amongst the greats of his era, Valdes worked because he fitted into the set-up (see Rossi at Saachi's Milan). He was good with the ball at his feet, swept well and was strong in one-on-one situations. That's the three qualities Barcelona need from a goalkeeper to play the way they do. All of this evaluation of players outside of the context within which they operate is meaningless.
 
Infra-red said:
He's better out wide than Mata, more proven than Depay/Januzaj and superior by any measure to Young/Valencia. The squad would undoubtedly be improved by his addition to it.
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Agreed. Also we should not compare him to DiMaria. They are two different types of players. Pedro would fit in better in Van Gaal's system.
 
He plays tonight. Might tie in with the idea they're preparing for the season with him and won't let him go until after the Super Cup.
 
oh yes, must watch him tonight.

If di Maria rumour is true then they might as well make him switch shirts during half time.

(would be an awesome way to announce a transfer wouldn't it ? ) :D
 
Pedro is not Di Maria's replacement, we are not going to replace Di Maria but it doesn't mean we won't be able to move forward and/or win trophies, if Pedro fits LVG's system then we should sign him.

Pedro is class (not world class) but good enough to be a starter for us at that Right wing and also Rooney's backup.
 
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