Paulo Dybala

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Adnan said:
He wanted to only join Juve due to them being the only big club showing serious interest.
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Yeah but let's not act like Juventus are not big club now though. It's entirely reasonable that a player would want to play at Juventus. Realistically, at the time of his move from Palermo, only Real, Barca & Bayern would be an improvement and none of those needed players in his position.

You're fully entitled to like Fekir more if you want, but let's not underrate Dybala's achievements in a tougher league and in the CL.
 
Adnan said:
He wanted to only join Juve due to them being the only big club showing serious interest.
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Is that true? I remember the Palermo president mentioning quite a few clubs enquiring about Dybala, including us. Juve probably did pursue the hardest though.
 
He'll leave giuve as soon as someone comes with a convincing argument. Or 150 millions of convincing arguments...
 
United Pro said:
Is that true? I remember the Palermo president mentioning quite a few clubs enquiring about Dybala, including us. Juve probably did pursue the hardest though.
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Earliest, hardest, offered him a good plan(join us, grow, win a bunch of stuff, move on to bigger and better things when you're ready) and player didn't wanna leave Italy yet
 
kr0nix said:
If I were Juve, I wouldn't entertain any offers less than 150M euros, especially if PSG are bidding.
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I doubt PSG would enter the frame, especially since they have to pay Monaco something like 160m to turn the Mbappe deal from loan to permanent next summer, but if they did and I was in Agnelli's shoes I'd double the price again. "They spent 220m on Neymar and 160m on Mbappe... let's see how they feel about 300m for Dybala. Maybe they'll bite". That'd be my reasoning
 
Adnan said:
From what I've seen of both players I prefer Fekir.
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I like Fekir a lot too, wouldn't mind us signing him either. I don't think he is as good as Dybala or has as much potential though. Dybala would be our Hazard or De Bruyne, Fekir could be Eriksen or Alli, so a level lower, but still pretty good. Lyon is tough negotiator though, would we get Fekir for 50 to 60m or could that be closer to 100m too? It seems like Lemar won't be far away from 100m and Fekir isn't any worse imo.
 
MadMike said:
Yeah but let's not act like Juventus are not big club now though. It's entirely reasonable that a player would want to play at Juventus. Realistically, at the time of his move from Palermo, only Real, Barca & Bayern would be an improvement and none of those needed players in his position.

You're fully entitled to like Fekir more if you want, but let's not underrate Dybala's achievements in a tougher league and in the CL.
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Juve are a big club no doubt but we'd blow them out of the water if we competed for Dybala's signature when he was at Palermo. The reason they're stronger than us right now is due to them being shrewd operators in the transfer market. Knowing them, they'd sell Dybala for over a €100m and sign Fekir for half the price and not lose any quality in their squad.
 
Pyroblazer said:
I like Fekir a lot too, wouldn't mind us signing him either. I don't think he is as good as Dybala or has as much potential though. Dybala would be our Hazard or De Bruyne, Fekir could be Eriksen or Alli, so a level lower, but still pretty good. Lyon is tough negotiator though, would we get Fekir for 50 to 60m or could that be closer to 100m too? It seems like Lemar won't be far away from 100m and Fekir isn't any worse imo.
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Fekir just needs the stage to showcase his talent like Dybala has had at Juve and I'm sure everyone will be singing his praises just as much.
 
I honestly think this is a genuine player plus cash deal. Mkhi plus 100m.
That rare unicorn is in sight
 
@giorno
Thats pounds though, so thank you Brexit.
110 odd million euros and 35m euros Mkhi should be enough, especially if Juve doesn't see an improvement in attitude
 
cyberman said:
@giorno
Thats pounds though, so thank you Brexit.
110 odd million euros and 35m euros Mkhi should be enough, especially if Juve doesn't see an improvement in attitude
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They're never valueing Mkhi above €20M
 
Fekir wouldn't go into the same position as Dybala. They're not similar players, at all. I don't know why the comparison is being made. Fekir wouldn't suit us, he wouldn't be what we need.
 
Nick7 said:
Fekir wouldn't go into the same position as Dybala. They're not similar players, at all. I don't know why the comparison is being made. Fekir wouldn't suit us, he wouldn't be what we need.
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They both play as the #10/SS with the ability to play from the right, don't they?
 
SS said:
They both play as the #10/SS with the ability to play from the right, don't they?
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Gylfi Siggurdson plays in the same position yet that would also be a bad comparison. They may play in the same area on the pitch, but they're very different players and would fill very different needs in whatever team they go to next.
 
Nick7 said:
Gylfi Siggurdson plays in the same position yet that would also be a bad comparison. They may play in the same area on the pitch, but they're very different players and would fill very different needs in whatever team they go to next.
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Well you just said Fekir wouldn't go into the same position as Dybala, so unless I misunderstood, you meant that they don't play in the same position. From what I've seen (not a lot), their playstyles are similar. What do you think the main differences are?
 
Adnan said:
Juve are a big club no doubt but we'd blow them out of the water if we competed for Dybala's signature when he was at Palermo. The reason they're stronger than us right now is due to them being shrewd operators in the transfer market. Knowing them, they'd sell Dybala for over a €100m and sign Fekir for half the price and not lose any quality in their squad.
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No club, and certainly not Van Gaal’s underpeforming United, would “blow” a multiple Serie A winner and CL finalist out of the water the transfer summer of 2015. Especially not when signing an Argentine of Italian heritage who lives in Italy.
 
Nedved said:
No club, and certainly not Van Gaal’s underpeforming United, would “blow” a multiple Serie A winner and CL finalist out of the water the transfer summer of 2015. Especially not when signing an Argentine of Italian heritage who lives in Italy.
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Yes, we would've blown you out of the water as far as a financial package towards the player and the selling club. You might be big players in Italy but when it comes to generating cash we're a behemoth compared to Juve.
 
Nedved said:
No club, and certainly not Van Gaal’s underpeforming United, would “blow” a multiple Serie A winner and CL finalist out of the water the transfer summer of 2015. Especially not when signing an Argentine of Italian heritage who lives in Italy.
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Yet we were able to take Pogba off them?
 
The Express is claiming we have been told it’s 133mil for him. Weirdly that doesn’t seem all that much to me, I was expecting it to be a hell of a lot more than that. What has the transfer market become when you’re shocked that it’s only reported as being 133 million pounds.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
The Express is claiming we have been told it’s 133mil for him. Weirdly that doesn’t seem all that much to me, I was expecting it to be a hell of a lot more than that. What has the transfer market become when you’re shocked that it’s only reported as being 133 million pounds.
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And people are busy screaming when mounting said 300m isn't enough..if he is given 150m as usual,buying dybala alone will swallow up most of it and our deadwoods won't fetch much and then we realize our budget isn't all that in the grand scheme of things..
Liverpool just spent half of our summer budget on a defender that has done nothing in the game,puts things in perspective..
 
Andersons Dietician said:
The Express is claiming we have been told it’s 133mil for him. Weirdly that doesn’t seem all that much to me, I was expecting it to be a hell of a lot more than that. What has the transfer market become when you’re shocked that it’s only reported as being 133 million pounds.
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And people are busy screaming when mounting said 300m isn't enough..if he is given 150m as usual,buying dybala alone will swallow up most of it and our deadwoods won't fetch much and then we realize our budget isn't all that in the grand scheme of things..
Liverpool just spent half of our summer budget on a defender that has done nothing in the game,puts things in perspective..
 
iamherenow said:
And people are busy screaming when mounting said 300m isn't enough..if he is given 150m as usual,buying dybala alone will swallow up most of it and our deadwoods won't fetch much and then we realize our budget isn't all that in the grand scheme of things..
Liverpool just spent half of our summer budget on a defender that has done nothing in the game,puts things in perspective..
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Done nothing in the game? He was arguably the best defender in the league just last season.

Dybala is a player on par with the very very very best in the world. It’s not like there are many players that would be over 100 mil so that has to be taken in to account.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
Done nothing in the game? He was arguably the best defender in the league just last season.

Dybala is a player on par with the very very very best in the world. It’s not like there are many players that would be over 100 mil so that has to be taken in to account.
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Who argued that?
 
VancouverUtdFan said:
To be fair, in comparison 150m is stupider and far more unreasonable than that all things considered
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Is it though? He’s one of the best prospects in World football and a genuine Ballon D’or contender. He’d be along with Pogba our best player. If Mbappe is going for similar prices is it really that farfetched?
 
Andersons Dietician said:
Done nothing in the game? He was arguably the best defender in the league just last season.

I can argue that there are better defenders than him littered across the world,he is worth 50m at best..even at that,thats one third of our entire budget.
Dybala is a player on par with the very very very best in the world. It’s not like there are many players that would be over 100 mil so that has to be taken in to account.
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But that's the price range of the quality we need in our team or should we buying from the second tier?..
 
Should have been signed before he moved to Juve. This is the problem we have.
 
I don't know about Dybala's personality/character concerns but based on talent, if Juve are willing to sell and if Dybala is willing to join us, we should be all over this. He's a world class attacking talent who can provide goals out of nothing and would be a creative outlet in our play.
 
Adnan said:
Yes, we would've blown you out of the water as far as a financial package towards the player and the selling club. You might be big players in Italy but when it comes to generating cash we're a behemoth compared to Juve.
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The post I quoted made a general statement, not just regarding to finances. “Blow off the water” is an extreme exaggeration.

Red_toad said:
Yet we were able to take Pogba off them?
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Odd example. Pogba left United for Juventus in first place, which proves my point.
 
Nedved said:
The post I quoted made a general statement, not just regarding to finances. “Blow off the water” is an extreme exaggeration.
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'blow Juve out of the water' was something I said due to us being much stronger than Juve in the transfer market. You came in here telling me about Van Gaal and the players heritage lol.

Wether Van Gaal was in charge or Mickey Mouse in 2015. We would comfortably beat Juve for transfer fees and wages.
 
Nedved said:
Odd example. Pogba left United for Juventus in first place, which proves my point.
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They took an out of contract child, we took their star man. Yeah sounds exactly the same :rolleyes: No way will Juve ever take one of our best players from us.
 
Red_toad said:
Really? Play him in Jesse/ Mata role. He’d be excellent.
But not letting my inner muppet get aroused by these rumours.
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I'm not doubting his talent.

I think Jose would prefer someone with more dynamism.

Like, I think Griezmann would be a better fit, despite the different qualities he possesses to Dybala.
 
Suedesi said:
I think a lot here overrate Dybala - yeah he had a great half against Barcelona in the CL semis, but was quite anonymous in the final (some say he was the reason why Bonucci and the rest of the team got into a furious argument at halftime - and Bonucci has been dealt with already by Juve) and has been rather subdued this season in Serie A. Played little, been off focus, so there's some issues there at Juve, and I think they could sell for the right price.

Valuation aside, is he a good fit at Jose Mourinho's United? Coming here he'd have to adjust to a new league, a new language, a new manager - that's what concerns me more than the price, which as a fan (and not a shareholder) is an utterly abstract and theoretical concept.
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You make valid points but no, Dybala is not overrated. He is a very, very good player. I'll go as far as saying that if we have the chance to buy him and we don't take that chance then we must be nuts.

You are right about his form though. He has had it rough recently. Allegri has had him on the bench for the last few games but many will tell you that has nothing to do with his actual quality but with his head. Something is certainly up with him at the moment. Issues surrounding his image rights, his agent (he just had to switch agents recently), his girlfriend (there was news about reconciliation etc. Anthony Martial comes to mind), and Allegri's constant chopping and changing of systems and players. I think the sudden massive expectations of him and comparisons with the likes of Neymar and Messi must also be telling.

A new environment, new team, new league and fresh challenges might just do the magic. We certainly need his skill set in that squad. Our attacking midfield has been problematic for months. We need a player who can score, assist and create chances from there. Dybala ticks the boxes.

And about whether or not he'll fit in with Jose, I think they'll be fine. If Deco, Sneijder, Roben, Ozil, Fabregas, Hazard, Pogba etc can fit in well in Jose's teams, so can Dybala as long as he is happy to put in the shift for the team.
 
never seen a great deal of him to be fair but when i have hes not exactly stood out, however from all the hype you see about him the 50/60m been talked of in the papers is rather embarrassing.
 
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