I think his performances have showed he was wrong to retire, Chief
Paul Scholes | 2011/12 Performances
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Read my previous post again.
It has zero to do with his performances.
If it causes Fergie to once again insist on not adding to his midfield, yes.
Why does it matter if 'another big club' would do the same?
Name another player who could do the same? Scholes is a one off - very few could come back at that level after 6 months out but should we let that prevent him from doing so, even if he can?
Nice logic mate.
And a terrific attitude too - one of the greats of your club comes back just to serve the club as they fight to hold off City. He proves he can still more than do it, and you're here saying it's a downer for the club just because, apparently, you want to see United spunk a load of money on a younger player. Crazy.
I'm not convinced by that. He has had 6 months rest, that is why he is so recharged. At the back end of last season he was clearly struggling physically and that is why he called it quits. We are in fact very lucky that the 6 months of being on the side lines recharged him this much.
It hasn't happened at another big club but it's a rare thing to happen on the whole. Scholes is a unique player too.
The only mistake was him retiring in the first place, I seriously think Scholes could still go to any club in the world and be a vital player simply because of his class and playing style.
And the second part about people using their ages as a stick to beat our other CMs with wasn't necessarily directed at your inparticularly. I've just heard several posters being annoyed that Scholes and Giggs are still of our 2 most important players. I'm just of the opinion that they're that good that they would be in any team.
So you'd enforce retirement upon Scholes, despite brilliant performances, just to buy a new player?
So they become key players on their own merits and that is wrong ? Irregardless of our stature if a good player plays well then that is the only thing that matters
Why does it matter why he's playing well!?! The fact is, he is.
I also don't see why him still being around means we won't sign a new player.
He barely costs anything for a start. And he's already retired once and Fergie didn't sign a cm in the aftermath so why should he as a result of him retiring this summer?
My guess is Fergie will buy a new cm when he wants, not necessarily when Scholes retires.
Yes he is unique. But IMO it reflects bad on our planning as a club. We are so lucky the rest recharged him and returned to us Scholes at his best.
his vision and one-touch play is absolutely exceptional. that ball out to giggs 
So you think, ideally, we should have been in a situation where Ferguson could have said 'Thanks but no thanks' to Scholes when he asked to come back?
You could say we were lucky but I don't think Fergie predicated that Cleverley, Anderson and Jones would've suffered the injuries they have either.
Add to that Young has been out for quite a bit (another central option), Nani being out means Giggs has to fill in on the LW. Fletcher is out too.
I really don't think Fergie could've forseen the injuries that we've had in our team and particuarly in central midfield. You could call it bad planning but I think that's a bit unfair.
He's nowhere near his best, but sadly, it's the best we've got.
We couldn't have signed anyone who would have made this type of impact on our matches. Sensational player.
It matters only if like this January, like last summer when he quit, SAF thinks having him back is reason enough not to add experience to our ranks in midfield. Because we could give him another year and he retires in Jan due to the burn out he experienced at the back end of last season.
When Scholes retried SAF never signed anyone in center midfield. His ''unretiring' caused SAF to continue with that policy. I'm hopeful SAF wont repeat that next summer. But we'll just have to wait and see.
Majestic. Just imagine if he would have scored that header, would have summed up everything he is about as a player.
Happily Scholes nowhere near his best is better than the best our opponents can offer.
The issue of bad planning is that we never added experience to our midfield when Scholes retired. That is why his return gave us such a shot in the arm, whilst also high lighting the fact we some how over looked that important necessity. The injuries were just bad luck. But even without them, that expereince would have been badly missed. We were left with only Carrick & Fletcher as the pure central midfielders with experience. That is why its such a stroke of great fortune that Scholes' return has been this good.
I thought that bringing Scholes back was a bit of a cop out and I was wrong.
We look like a really good passing team with him in the side and he still performing at a really high level. If only he had scored that header from that breath taking move he orchestrated.
We look like a really good passing team with him in the side and he still performing at a really high level. If only he had scored that header from that breath taking move he orchestrated.
That move where he got the header.
We played something like 15 passes and then Scholes played a brilliant ball out wide to Ryan. Can anyone gif that please.
We played something like 15 passes and then Scholes played a brilliant ball out wide to Ryan. Can anyone gif that please.
Footballing god is the only word left to be said. Today he was the embodiment of ''pass him the ball and he'll know what to do''. Almost every player on our side kept looking for him to pass to, even in our own box.
That's your reaction to watching him the last few weeks? I think he's been magnificent. He's run large parts of every game he's played in and given us a far greater degree of control in midfield. This period has been full of high profile fixtures, home and away. Very few midfielders in world football that we could have brought in in January that would have had this impact. Have examined that last statement, aware of possible hyperbole, yes, stand by it.
Deserving of a bit more credit than you've given him.
When put like that, it does sound bad.
But at the end of the day, after two or three shaky appearances when he first came back, he's since been performing at a level that would let him walk into any team in the world (bar maybe Barcelona).
You're arguing against the idea. The reality is that he's been good enough to deserve it.
Bringing him out of retirement was Fergie's best transfer move in ages. Another fantastic performance, I hope he stays with us for another season.
No. My stance rather is that it shouldn't have been as important as it has turned out to be. If we win the league this year, no doubt it will be sighted as one of the most key moments. Ideally that shouldn't ever be the case.
The best thing about it all is that Scholes' legend has increased due to this return. He is at this rate the first footballer to do a Michael Jordan. On top of the fact he has given us a chance to witness his ability again.
You are spot on about the idea bit. I thought and still think the idea was terrible. But I'm still happy he is back. I can't say I didn't miss him playing this well.
Brilliant again today. His passing and ball retention is beautiful to watch at times.
I don't really understand this. We were given the chance to sign a player and we did. If that player turns out to be better and expected and do well for us then what's the issue. Other clubs sign players. Additionally he's had more of an impact because we've experienced a huge amount of injuries in midfield. If we had signed someone else for the middle it's likely they'd have had an impact too because we're light on numbers. I really don't understand what his age or anything has to do with it. He's shown he's clearly good enough to still play, I don't think anyone could legitimately claim that he wouldn't play for almost every other pl team out there. Had we not had the injuries that we've had then it's unlikely that scholes would have had the same impact, but we have had injuries and he's come in and really helped to ease the situation.
Age has zero to do with it I tell you. My problem is he came out of retirement to be our football Messiah. A Manchester United should never need such an out of retirement Messiah. Even if such a messiah is as good as Paul Scholes.
I'd have preferred us to have added someone experienced for the long term and Scholes this January. Thankfully not doing that hasn't mattered.
I can't understand anybody who can't be unequivocally chuffed about Scholesy's return and current form. Nutters.
I think you've misunderstood. What I meant was that Scholes was capable of much more. He's much more static now because of age, and doesn't really attempt to glide his way out of tough spots like he used to. His Hollywood balls were almost always spot on too.
It's so clear he's nowhere near his peak. Still good enough to start for most teams though.
Amazing at football.
I absolutely love how Scholes has so much panache on the ball without particularly complicating things.
I absolutely love how Scholes has so much panache on the ball without particularly complicating things.
I was surprised by how good he was for the whole 90min. Good decision by Fergie not to sub him, he was keeping the ball very well and wasn't that tired at the end.
Well I suppose it depends how you look at it. If you view Scholes as a revelation and completely changing the team etc then maybe it shouldn't happen. For example if we had had the majority of our midfielders fit and we were performing badly and then brought scholes back and he turned everything around then I would agree that it would be an issue. However for me I see it more as bringing back a player of obvious class at a time when you're experiencing a number of injuries in your midfield. We needed a midfielder in january. It didn't matter who it was as long as they were good enough, but we needed a midfielder. Not because our midfielders weren't good enough but because we had so many injuries. If Neville could still perform anywhere near the level he used to, as scholes can, and he offered to come back during our injury crisis at the back I would have taken him in an instant.
It doesn't indicate a weakness in the squad or a lack of progression. All it is is a great move by the club and the player. We needed an extra player in the middle and scholes wanted to play having retired before he needed to.
We've been missing Fletcher, Cleverley, Anderson and Jones for long periods this season. That's why having Scholes back is so awesome.
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber is the ultimate opinion hipster, he loves taking up a conflicting position on matters, I'm not sure why people still bother debating with him.
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber is the ultimate opinion hipster, he loves taking up a conflicting position on matters, I'm not sure why people still bother debating with him.
You're all over the place on this.
He retired too early and it's a mistake we should all be glad to see rectified. Further investment in new players is entirely unrelated.
I can't see what the negatives are for those who love football and United - enjoy it while it lasts.
It's a shame to take any frustration felt about a lack of investment out on Paul Scholes.
You'd think we'd brought Bryan Robson back with all the criticism of a 'backwards step' when he first came back.
I mean, ffs, you're talking about a player who could probably go to the European Championships in June and still be his country's best midfielder.
Where do you find that for free in the January transfer market?
I mean, ffs, you're talking about a player who could probably go to the European Championships in June and still be his country's best midfielder.
Where do you find that for free in the January transfer market?
You wish....
Come on. It hasn't been definitively proven to be a mistake yet. Let him play like this for an entire season ala Giggs then I'll agree with you. As of now it is hard to dispute that we are benefiting from his 6 month rest. Its all to easy to claim it was a mistake for him to retire last summer now when things are going well. Yet Scholes himself quit because he was suffering physically at the back end of last season and it had even begun to show on the pitch.
No one has taken a single thing out on Paul Scholes. That is entirely in your head. People rather are simply not impressed that his return was sighted by SAF as a reason he didn't invest AND that it has proved this important. I don't care how much you love Scholes. You can't honestly claim its great United had to get a star back from retirement to keep on track. You seem utterly incapable of separating Scholes and his return from the fact United are being bailed out by a formerly retired veteran. It isn't Scholes' fault nor his problem and no one is blaming him. It can't be that hard to be happy Scholes has been able to reverse a decision he clearly regretted while at the same time not being happy with the decision of SAF concerning not strengthening his midfield since Scholes quit.
He's playing better than what I remember from last season, perhaps the one before that too. Either way, he's gone a long way to rejuvenating our midfield, as daft as it sounds for a 37 year old. I don't think you could have got that so soon with a £30m January signing.
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