we are talking about mentality and maturity.
yes, there is a great chance he won't change...that's exactly the question to the boss.
Paul Pogba's mentality...
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we are talking about mentality and maturity.
yes, there is a great chance he won't change...that's exactly the question to the boss.
For me it's not so much about his lack of bottle.
It's about his lack of a football brain. We have 45 minutes at home against a lower-level side who are a man down. What do you do? Most would say that you move the ball and the opposition around, use the numerical advantage, tire your opponent and wait for an opening.
Not Paul Pogba. When Pogba gets the ball, he doesn't think, how can I help the team get one step closer to scoring a goal? He thinks, how can I get my name in the headlines? Time and time again in the second half he conceded possession with his silly Hollywood passes. It was so daft and so arrogant that I can't fathom why José didn't kick him out, let alone why his team-mates bother passing to him.
He's a very talented but even more infuriating footballer. He's playing with the maturity of a 10-year-old. To be honest I'm getting really fed up with him.
It's about his lack of a football brain. We have 45 minutes at home against a lower-level side who are a man down. What do you do? Most would say that you move the ball and the opposition around, use the numerical advantage, tire your opponent and wait for an opening.
Not Paul Pogba. When Pogba gets the ball, he doesn't think, how can I help the team get one step closer to scoring a goal? He thinks, how can I get my name in the headlines? Time and time again in the second half he conceded possession with his silly Hollywood passes. It was so daft and so arrogant that I can't fathom why José didn't kick him out, let alone why his team-mates bother passing to him.
He's a very talented but even more infuriating footballer. He's playing with the maturity of a 10-year-old. To be honest I'm getting really fed up with him.
Still young for a midfielder. At that age Paul Scholes was a support striker yet to cement himself as a first 11 player. Xavi's another one who really hit his peak in his late 20's. Yaya Toure too.
Seems like people lose any sense of perspective when it comes to Pogba
It's worrying me how he hasn't properly hit form yet and we're approaching the end of the season. Of course he's only 23 so he has time on his side but everyone expected him to dominate the league and he's not even come close. The infamous "Alli vs Pogba" debates in numerous other threads are going to end up a little less one-sided if he doesn't improve.
He hit really good form over the Christmas period. Unless people are expecting goals and assists in every game.
Like I said, he is still developing but he's not a child or some teenager fresh out of the youth side. He's a seasoned pro approaching his mid-20s who has won multiple league titles and played in the finals of a Euro championship and Champions League.
Pogba today was fine until the end of the game where desperation set in and all composure was lost, not just by him. He could have gone through the motions and played it safe until the end with his own performance but he was actively trying to win us the game. It worked against Boro but today you can only laugh really. He has the character but just needs to keep it together on a consistent basis. It will come.
He would make a good track runner because you don't have to think to do that. A bling-lined fraud.
What's wrong with his fecking 'mentality' now. Jesus.
Shouldn't you guys be busy speculating about Martial's 'mentality'? Or Shaw's? Wait, no - Mkhitaryan's!!
Shouldn't you guys be busy speculating about Martial's 'mentality'? Or Shaw's? Wait, no - Mkhitaryan's!!
Bring Keano in as coach to give them all a bollocking when things are not done to standard
From a world record fee player, it's not that unrealistic to expect a goal or assist in almost every game, considering Alli manages it (12 goals 3 assists in 25 games vs Pogba's 4 goals and 3 assists in 25 games). Yes Alli plays further forward but he's also not considered one of the best players in the world and didn't just cost a world record fee, and is a few years younger.
We ARE the new Spice Boys arent we, all style (social media etc) and NO substance.
We talk a good game, we look good but our reputation is better than the reality.
Pogba-case in point.
We talk a good game, we look good but our reputation is better than the reality.
Pogba-case in point.
Pogba was poor today but then again so was the whole team.
Pogba is becoming a scape-goat when we don't win, so many of these posts are embarrassing.
Those calling him a fraud are just plain stupid.
Pogba is becoming a scape-goat when we don't win, so many of these posts are embarrassing.
Those calling him a fraud are just plain stupid.
Well I think that's your issue, not Pogba's. Even Zinedine Zidane who was the most expensive player in the world and is regarded as one of the best of all time didn't hit those sorts of stats. And neither should he have been expected to, he's a midfielder not a forward.
Considering how many sitters our strikers have missed from Pogba passes, he should have at least double the assists so it's unfair to put that on Pogba.
Seems like people were just waiting for the chance to get their claws out. It's amazing how quickly fans turn on players.
His ego is getting way to big for his boots.
I'm sorry but I don't quite agree with this assessment. He missed a number of simple passes, he was often quite slow on the ball and tried to be too "tricky" instead of effective. He lost the ball a number of times too.
Not saying he was any worse than others in the team, but don't think you can say he was "fine" is all. He was poor today, as were others. I just want and expect him to be better due to his pedigree.
I actually was more frustrated with his errors during the game than in the last 5-10 minutes because, as you say, earlier in the game it was just basic errors from someone who is and should be much better, and the misses at the end was just a lack of composure.
In what way?
He just hasn't performed as well as wed have hoped.
Ignoring the fact he's the most expensive player in the world, he still hasn't been a "great" performer this season.
Ignoring the fact he's the most expensive player in the world, he still hasn't been a "great" performer this season.
If he's not going to put up good stats then he at least needs to be effective in general play which he hasn't been really.
Please don't take that as a serious post - i just felt like putting the words of a song in a loose relation to the situation.
But, there is some truth to it. The way he conducts himself comes across as if he thinks he has made it and is great, but in reality he still has a lot to prove.
I'd argue the other way.
We have players who are desperate for new players and hype them up over everything we have.
Maybe some, but stop trying to take the high road here. There are plenty of people who offer balancing and justified criticism of certain players at certain times.
For example, the slating of Ibrahimovic today was way over the top given how he has performed all season. Everyone has bad games now and again, next.
On the other hand, Pogba is one player who has underperformed this season; that is just simply a fact. Yes, the way some make that point is distasteful and showered with hyperbole, but don't just group anyone who ever criticizes a player into that category.
Ignore the bullshit. He's not allowed to have a bad game ( he wasn't even that bad), it always had to be something more when it comes to Pogba.
Not recently but the signs were really encouraging up until December. Since then his form's dipped a little, like the rest of the team so that tells me that maybe fatigue is a factor? We've played so many games this season, I don't think people really appreciate how much of a toll it takes. And considering Pogba played in the euro's and had no pre season, I just think he should be given some slack for the occasional dip in form
We have both. Those who think that ever saying something bad about a player means your a crap fan, and those who will slam players over tiny things and one bad game.
You kind of need to sift through the crap to get to the actual decent posts on here, especially on game day.
When he pushed out a yell because the ballboy did not throw back the ball instantly for the late throw-in, I started laughing.
Because it reminded me of myself when I lose my head and become desperate.
Because it reminded me of myself when I lose my head and become desperate.
Yeah that's exactly what I said. Have a medalYou genuinely think United fans want Pogba not to be scoring winners on days like this?
I expected this player to be so much better. He has been a hinderance all season. Slows down play, takes too many touches, killing counter attacks and always fails to take any big chance that comes his way. Tries to over complicate the very simple aspects of the game.
Might be a different player next season but disappointing so far in my view this season.
He seems to have moments of brilliance or a bit clever skill in a game but has bottled every big game and most big moments to do something.
I don't think this deep sitting role suits him he should be playing a higher position.
Might be a different player next season but disappointing so far in my view this season.
He seems to have moments of brilliance or a bit clever skill in a game but has bottled every big game and most big moments to do something.
I don't think this deep sitting role suits him he should be playing a higher position.
I'm not saying it's everyone, and balanced criticism is fair, but reading this thread, some of the labels I've seen being thrown at Pogba are incredibly harsh. Not seen the Zlatan criticism, but I'm not surprised, some people were slating him after the league cup final
It's incredible really, I know people get emotional after a game but some of the stuff I've seen in this thread is laughable
Oh for sure. These people won't change. They're the same people who, after Pogba scores a hat-trick, will be the first to jump up and down saying how world class he is. Best to just ignore those kinds of posts and move on. You won't be changing anyone's personality on here.
You're probably right mate, it's just frustrating when you see a false narrative being built amongst some of our own fans. So many people saying he can't play in a 2 man midfield whereas he was excelling in that position just weeks ago. It was the same with Herrera until this season, now all of a sudden I'm hearing that Pogba needs Herrera to hold his hand. It's annoying how quickly opinions shift but that's football I suppose!
He was woeful in the second half but some of the comments in this thread are laughable, as they always are after we don't win. Let's be fair, Pogba would have astronomical production stats this season if our other players could finish their chances, and then there'd be a lot less moaning about his performances despite him having actually done nothing different.
Butt in with my point? You whinged about your own unrealistic expectations and I told you your problems where your own. You added nothing to the conversation and I was calling you out on it.