Paul Pogba's mentality...

He is still young and learning the game. He has all the qualities to be great. Just needs to put it together and with experience, the game will slow down for him. Those miskicks will turn into goals.

Was the same with Ronaldo. Pogba is on a similar level talent wise.

Poor from him today but he wasnt the only one who was fluffing his lines and missing shots.

Agree.

It's a worry though. I remember the few chances he got before he left for Juve and he played very much within himself so I wasn't all that pissed off when he referred to his lack of opportunities: he didn't grab them either. I am yet to see him grab a game by the scruff of the neck, and a player of his stature (not fee, stature) should be able to.

But it's a fair point that it took a while for Cristiano to get there too.
 
You think we will pay that amount for a Liam Miller? Obviously when we have identified that Pogba is worth that amount then he has to be a game changer for us.

I expect much more form Pogba but I'll never expect him to be an £89m player.
 
Did the same in the first match of the Euros for France. He was seen as the star man before the tournament and tried to over play and show boat and eventually got pushed further away from the goal because Payet and Griezmann did what he couldn't.

He's an unbelievably immature player. The kind that believes his own hype and is more interested in thinking of his instagram captions if he does something fancy rather than using his fecking brain on the field to find the best route to a win.

Someone with this mindset is a ticking time bomb in midfield, especially in a 2 man midfield.
 
He is magnificent at times and shocking at others. He is young of course and its hard to play constantly well. He is trying the impossible pass too often for my liking but otherwise i still am beaming he is our player. Luck is also not on his side this season so far hitting the post several times. Could have easily have been the savior today with a last minute goal
 
Its always about what we paid for him. Its just a subconscious expectation that baked into players like Pogba.

Its not. Regardless of the fee, he was labeled as one of the best midfield talents in the game. Expectations would be high regardless of the fee, granted the fee doesn't help, but lets not act like he wasn't a highly rated and coveted player regardless
 
Mourinho said we will see the best of him next season, let's not forget that he had no preseason and is coping with this crazy transfer fee on his shoulders. Generally this season I've been very happy with him apart from the big games.
 
At Juve he was in a midfield with 2 of Pirlo, Vidal and Marchisio the bulk of the time, he's 23 and not the steady head game controller that some want him to be at this stage
Its not about vidal pirlo or marchisio behind him, its about pogba on and off the ball. seria a and epl is a different level of football .You need to play one touch football and have a better work rate than pogba to win first and second balls in midfeild and be in control and effective on the ball
 
He seems so indecisive whenever the pressure is on. A trait I really dislike in a midfielder.
 
I expect much more form Pogba but I'll never expect him to be an £89m player.
I expect him to be a player who will win games for us with his individual brilliance. Anything less than that and he will be a disappointing signing for me.
 
Its not. Regardless of the fee, he was labeled as one of the best midfield talents in the game. Expectations would be high regardless of the fee, granted the fee doesn't help, but lets not act like he wasn't a highly rated and coveted player regardless

Labeled by who though ? People who wanted to inflate his hype no doubt.
 
Its worrying but can be corrected cos time is on his side.
But those last 20 minutes were worse than a championship player. He was sticking his foot in the way when passes were made, other times he was just leaving it when it was a pass to him. He was hitting the ball from deep despite Bournemouth being on the edge of their own box (needed Mata to tell him to calm down). His composure in front of goal too especially near the end was so bad.

I do wonder if the price tag makes him think that at times (like today) he needs to do everything himself when its so much simpler for him to get the ball, take a touch and keep it moving. And it seems like he always tries to pass to Zlatan when an easier pass is around him.

im not expecting him to be somebody that gets a goal or assist in every game, but I do want to see him step up in moments like today rather than hide (especially when Zlatan is having an off game). He has the traits for it too, but needs to figure it out.
 
It's almost like a player who is not playing a dominant team for the first time in his career is learning how to lead and win games for his team. If anything in pressure situations he needs to embrace being his cocky self who likes to get on the ball and dictate play, at the moment he tries to force difficult passes and rushes things. He'll figure it out.
 
It's surprised me. Was he like this at Juventus as well or has the fee and expectation gone to his head? I expected a winner's mentality; someone to stand up when the pressure is on. He seems the opposite to me.
Only a few European games to speak off. Juventus always stroll through the league.
 
When Treble Winning is the voice of reason in a thread, you know it was a bad day at the office.
Indeed.

Claws are out today and some crazy things will be written. It happens, I've seen this quite a few times this season. A few good results along the line and the mood is all jovial again.
 
I expect him to be a player who will win games for us with his individual brilliance. Anything less than that and he will be a disappointing signing for me.

Pretty much this
 
I expect much more form Pogba but I'll never expect him to be an £89m player.

This is just it though, neither do I.

However, when he's starting every game and being treated as our most important midfielder, he can't start disappearing when he's needed the most.

If we're talking money/value, I see Pogba as a 30-40m level attacking mid. When he capitulates, or 'bottles it' or whatever, he literally plays like a 5-10m Championship player - it's a problem because he won't be subbed, or, it seems, dropped.

Our midfield is built around a skillful, confidence player who disappears when the going gets tough.

Lets find a different role for Pogba, and allow him to do what he's good at, because this role isn't it.
 
Pogba is 10 steps behind Scholes Zidane Bastian schweinsteiger Lampard Xavi and iniesta at the moment.

Clearly not. Because one of the names on your list (Schweinsteiger) is currently at Man United and is well below Pogba in the pecking order. If he was 10 levels better than Pogba as you say, you'd think he would be starting most games.
 
I expect him to be a player who will win games for us with his individual brilliance. Anything less than that and he will be a disappointing signing for me.
That's absolutely your problem.
 
At Juventus he was never the leader. Pirlo, Marchisio and Vidal were leaders in that team. Now at United he is asked to be a leader, and every time it's not going well (like today), he lets it get to his head.
 
Pogba deserves every bit of criticism for today's performance. It's also not the first, or second, time that he's let us down in games like this. He is the very definition of a confidence player, if he scores in the first 10 minutes of a game I wouldn't bet against him banging in another 2 or 3. I've said it so many times this season that what we're missing is a leader on the pitch who's able to snap him out of it when he needs it.
 
Like I've said before, he's a player who shines when a team plays well but goes missing way too often when it's lacking inspiration and character when it's not. He should focus more on his performances on the field, rather than off it wearing some stupid blingy footwear and trying to look cool.

It's up to him whether he ends up being just another Memphis or Balotelli, or being thought of and remembered as one of the best players in the world.
 
Labeled by who though ? People who wanted to inflate his hype no doubt.

So you don't believe he is one of the best midfield talents in the game?
Personally I think he is, I don't even look at his fee. He should be playing better than he has this season IMO.

Don't get me wrong I think overall he been good this season, but I do question his mentality a bit especially how he fell apart vs Liverpool
 
I wonder this too. Has he ever played well in a final?
I haven't seen him play well in a big game ever. I genuinely want somebody to tell me one game he has in the last year or so.
 
So you don't believe he is one of the best midfield talents in the game?

I think he can be, but it's just too early to definitively make the case that he is now. I definitely expect him to grow into one of the best midfielders in the world in the next couple of years. He's still relatively young and not yet in his prime.
 
This is just it though, neither do I.

However, when he's starting every game and being treated as our most important midfielder, he can't start disappearing when he's needed the most.

If we're talking money/value, I see Pogba as a 30-40m level attacking mid. When he capitulates, or 'bottles it' or whatever, he literally plays like a 5-10m Championship player - it's a problem because he won't be subbed, or, it seems, dropped.

Our midfield is built around a skillful, confidence player who disappears when the going gets tough.

Lets find a different role for Pogba, and allow him to do what he's good at, because this role isn't it.

He wasn't disappearing though, he was making bad decisions every time but he was always trying to get on the ball. Again, considering these types of situations have been rare for him in his career I think generally it's a pretty ridiculous statement to make. He's learning how he reacts to these situations and still adapting, it's not that he didn't want to win today but that he let it cloud his judgement. When he had Pirlo, Vidal etc. around him the onus was not on him as much, but now it's different.
 
That's absolutely your problem.
So basically expecting a player being touted as one of the best midfielders around currently and being called a future Ballon d'Or hopeful to be winning games for us is too much?
 
Its not about vidal pirlo or marchisio behind him, its about pogba on and off the ball. seria a and epl is a different level of football .You need to play one touch football and have a better work rate than pogba to win first and second balls in midfeild and be in control and effective on the ball

The PL is faster and Pogba needs to realize that it's not going to meet him half way, I agree there, but the difference in his game when he has someone next to him to be the boss and run hard is marked.
 
I haven't seen him play well in a big game ever. I genuinely want somebody to tell me one game he has in the last year or so.

Juve vs Bayern UCL ran the show
 
I think hes far less guilty of it today than Ibrahimovic and Rooney. So do they need the Shaw treatment?
 
He's still a young footballer. I'm sure he'll learn, he's got time. If Zlatan scored the pen, we'd all be fine-ish.
 
So basically expecting a player being touted as one of the best midfielders around currently and being called a future Ballon d'Or hopeful to be winning games for us is too much?
You said yourself that anything less than him winning games on his own is a disappointment to you. I don't have that problem, it's your problem.
 
The PL is faster and Pogba needs to realize that it's not going to meet him half way, I agree there, but the difference in his game when he has someone next to him to be the boss and run hard is marked.

I think his work-rate has improved so far in his time here and that his issues are completely unrelated to 'running hard', he needs to make better, clearer decisions on the ball and pick and choose his moments better. His finishing again, suggests a lack of composure, which is hard to believe when you watch Pogba at his best.
 
He is lost without Herrera..
Todays performance was as bad as any this season.. Not good enough.
 
He will come good but only if we give him patience and stop creating ridiculous expectations for him. He has enough talent to win the Ballon d'Or when Messi and Ronaldo inevitably fade due to age. He could be the best player in the world in 3 or 4 years. But to expect him to play like a prime Zidane NOW isn't realistic.
 
He will come good but only if we give him patience and stop creating ridiculous expectations for him. He has enough talent to win the Ballon d'Or when Messi and Ronaldo inevitably fade due to age. He could be the best player in the world in 3 or 4 years. But to expect him to play like a prime Zidane NOW isn't realistic.
Expecting him to play like a pro footballer is pretty realistic though, and he didn't look like one today
 
You said yourself that anything less than him winning games on his own is a disappointment to you. I don't have that problem, it's your problem.
Did I say it's your problem? Why did you butt in with your point then?

Also, by a match winner I don't say every game but he disappears most of the times when the games get tight.
 
He will come good but only if we give him patience and stop creating ridiculous expectations for him. He has enough talent to win the Ballon d'Or when Messi and Ronaldo inevitably fade due to age. He could be the best player in the world in 3 or 4 years. But to expect him to play like a prime Zidane NOW isn't realistic.

He is being expected to play like Man Utd's main man in midfield - that won't go away unless he's given a different role.

It has nothing to do with his price tag, and everything to do with the reality of what being a 'top boy' at United demands.
 
It is bad enough that he was woeful today. However what really makes the blood boil is that he seems immune from being taken off.