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Do you want Pogba for £100 million?


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But there was substance to Thiago? Is that the point you're trying to make? I'm confused.

People on here think its done, but its the same type of people who were saying thiago was done. We have roughly the same types of sources, some stories from some pretty reliable journalists but that's it. Thiago didn't come, pogba might but he might not either.

To clarify, yes there was substance to thiago and there is substance to this but that doesn't mean it will happen.
 
I don't need to defend myself over him preferring Madrid over us, I wouldn't even need to read an article to think that way.

It's obvious.



So you don't have to defend yourself over what you think because you think it's obvious. But the people that think this deal is done because it seems obvious to them that it is, have to defend themselves.


A WUM and a hypocrite.
 
tbf, that's exactly what Scholes and Pirlo at 22 is. Both player become the more recognizable playmaking version years into their careers. I do think Pogba has the talent to become that kind of player. But his dynamism is a massive part of his game, I don't think we'll see that part of his game until much later

Yeah I agree I put late Scholes as early Scholes was more about getting into the box.
 
I don't need to defend myself over him preferring Madrid over us, I wouldn't even need to read an article to think that way.

It's obvious.

Why is it obvious? Is it not possible for a player to prefer to play for Manchester United than Real Madrid?
 
This discussion on valuation is something I just don't get. People seem to have a massively distorted view of the game thanks to Ronaldo. So, just for the sake of it, let's go slightly further back in the game. Before Ronaldo (let's forget the pesky Kaka fee), Zidane was the most expensive player in the world. He cost Real Madrid GBP 57 Mn at the age of 29. He only ever scored 10 or more league goals in a season once (for Bordeaux in 1992-93). His season-high for goals scored was 12 (across all competitions). Here's the context:

Age: 29
Resale value: 0
Real Madrid income (from Deloitte Money League) in 2000/01: 138 Mn Euros
That figure today stands at 577 Mn Euros

Before Zidane, the record-holder was Figo. He had a nearly identical scoring record to Zidane.

My point is that people have got this massively mistaken idea that clubs pay / should pay for players based on the goal-scoring prowess alone. Fact is, this view has been massively distorted by Ronaldo's (and Messi's) goal-scoring exploits. Take them aside and you'll realise that before these guys, a player who scored 20+ a season was a phenomenon. 25 in the league? That was considered a minor miracle.

When you look at Pogba, he's (at just 23) scoring as many as Zidane was scoring (for the same club) when Madrid made their move. As a % of revenues, the proposed fee is dwarfed by what Madrid paid for both Zidane and Figo.

Even for United (mentioned long time ago on this same thread), fee as % of revenue will not be the highest for Pogba (Rio and Veron will remain higher). Those above him in the table were not goalscorers either.

Hmm... just glad to have got that off my chest. Irritates me no end when rival fans start this rubbish... Maddens me when some of our lot do the same!

Shut up and have a beer for feck sake. It's madness as in the real work people are getting paid off work and signing the social for buttons and the NHS is millions in debt and the country is even worse. Yet the man in the streets club us, is buying a single player for £100m plus that's what madness about it.
 
Was it anything more than paper speculation? I was looking at the in and outs for all 20 PL clubs so far, and none of them have massively overpaid to get a player. This PL clubs are loaded and spending shit tons on average players (which I thought too) doesn't hold true, at least so far.

How much was Ross McCormicks transfer fee?
 
There is absolutely no more substance to this story than thiago. He might come, he might not but anyone who thinks it is done seriously needs to take a step back.

Mourinho alone offers more substance, never mind the recent comments he made. We had David fecking Moyes when going after Thiago, we never had a chance.
 
Great so Pogba is going to Juventus and is expected back on training at Juve on Monday.

Fecking hell why is this dragging so much !

If this saga ends with Pogba not coming to United, then I hope we will all storm the Manchester United offices with pitchforks and demand the head of one Ed Woodward.
 
Why is it obvious? Is it not possible for a player to prefer to play for Manchester United than Real Madrid?

He is a WUM, many players would choose us over Madrid.

Its generally dependent on where they are from.

For example most Latin American players would prefer Madrid while most Asian players would choose United as each club respectively is huge in each area.
 
Mourinho alone offers more substance, never mind the recent comments he made. We had David fecking Moyes when going after Thiago, we never had a chance.

We had fergie in the hazard saga. Until a deal is done, it isn't done.
 
Shut up and have a beer for feck sake. It's madness as in the real work people are getting paid off work and signing the social for buttons and the NHS is millions in debt and the country is even worse. Yet the man in the streets club us, is buying a single player for £100m plus that's what madness about it.

We are so far away from the club so many of us grew up supporting. But what do you do? Turn your back on the club that is part of who you are?
 
Looking at this from a different angle, there's every chance that this isn't happening. I mean all the sources that have really stoked the flames and aaid he's coming, have also been proven wrong on other claims so far. Dates for signing etc. Plus they're all contradicting themselves constantly. Who's to say they're not wrong about us getting him?

I always get told that BBC are the best source and their guy said last night that there's still no deal. If thats true, it's easily possible that we're no longer negotiating.
 
We had fergie in the hazard saga. Until a deal is done, it isn't done.
At least, pick examples which are relevant. Fergie chose to not sign hazard due to his agent fees. Here, Woodward is gagging to throw suitcases of money at Juventus and Raiola
 
I'm not doubting it isn't happening, but if it was done, Juventus would have said something by now.

It's a world record transfer. Our club are going to want to make a song and dance out of this, not let the Juventus boss announce it in a press conference.
 
Pogba going back to Turin Monday is in no way a negative.

What is positive about it ?

I tought the consenus was that the deal was agreed and the only thing preventing Pogba from signing was that he was on a holiday. He is now back from that holiday, so what is preventing him from signing the deal ? Why should he go back to Juve if he everything was already agreed with all parties ?

Enlighten us
 
At least, pick examples which are relevant. Fergie chose to not sign hazard due to his agent fees. Here, Woodward is gagging to throw suitcases of money at Juventus and Raiola

We were willing to throw dollar at Ronaldinho then. Stuff happens, until the transfer is over the line it can go wrong.
 
Looking at this from a different angle, there's every chance that this isn't happening. I mean all the sources that have really stoked the flames and aaid he's coming, have also been proven wrong on other claims so far. Dates for signing etc. Plus they're all contradicting themselves constantly. Who's to say they're not wrong about us getting him?

I always get told that BBC are the best source and their guy said last night that there's still no deal. If thats true, it's easily possible that we're no longer negotiating.

Jose basically conformed it yesterday ffs!
 
Yeah, but we only lost out on Hazard because we didn't want to pay the agent. No penny pinching this time around.

I know but maybe we don't want to pay agent fees this time, how would we know, anything can happen until it is done.
 
We had fergie in the hazard saga. Until a deal is done, it isn't done.

The Hazard deal involved two and more more clubs seeking his signature. There are zero reliable reports of anyone else in the mix for Pogba but us. Also, few clubs that could conjure the fee and reported wages we're putting on the table.
 
Shut up and have a beer for feck sake. It's madness as in the real work people are getting paid off work and signing the social for buttons and the NHS is millions in debt and the country is even worse. Yet the man in the streets club us, is buying a single player for £100m plus that's what madness about it.

That's a horseshit statement when people come out with these platitudes about how society should be spending their money when you invest your time in this forum and on matches earning the same entity it's spending money.
 
What is positive about it ?

I tought the consenus was that the deal was agreed and the only thing preventing Pogba from signing was that he was on a holiday. He is now back from that holiday, so what is preventing him from signing the deal ? Why should he go back to Juve if he everything was already agreed with all parties ?

Enlighten us

The delay is Juve trying to get a replacement tied down it seems.
 
The Hazard deal involved two and more more clubs seeking his signature. There are zero reliable reports of anyone else in the mix for Pogba but us. Also, few clubs that could conjure the fee and reported wages we're putting on the table.

Juve also want to keep him
 
Looking at this from a different angle, there's every chance that this isn't happening. I mean all the sources that have really stoked the flames and aaid he's coming, have also been proven wrong on other claims so far. Dates for signing etc. Plus they're all contradicting themselves constantly. Who's to say they're not wrong about us getting him?

I always get told that BBC are the best source and their guy said last night that there's still no deal. If thats true, it's easily possible that we're no longer negotiating.

It is true what you say, no reliable source has really confirmed it. I do think we want him, I do think we are negotiating, but why the feck does everybody pressume that it is a done deal ?

I want to believe it is a done deal, but if it was wouldn't we have the BBC reporting it ? Wouldn't we have some sort of official confirmation by now, wouldn't we atleast now that Pogba's holiday is over see him going to Manchester instead of Turin.

This is not done yet
 
Shut up and have a beer for feck sake. It's madness as in the real work people are getting paid off work and signing the social for buttons and the NHS is millions in debt and the country is even worse. Yet the man in the streets club us, is buying a single player for £100m plus that's what madness about it.
By the same token, why have a beer? There's people starving and dying in Africa and being tortured in Pakistan. Get real! We don't live in a communist world and reality bites and occasionally sucks. So face facts and live with it.
 
It is true what you say, no reliable source has really confirmed it. I do think we want him, I do think we are negotiating, but why the feck does everybody pressume that it is a done deal ?

I want to believe it is a done deal, but if it was wouldn't we have the BBC reporting it ? Wouldn't we have some sort of official confirmation by now, wouldn't we atleast now that Pogba's holiday is over see him going to Manchester instead of Turin.

This is not done yet

The negative camp grows, welcome friend, you've chosen a tough path but a righteous one.
 
Jose basically conformed it yesterday ffs!

He said we are signing one of the best midfielders and he when asked about Pogba he said I don't talk about Juve players because it isn't ethical.

It is not a confirmation of any sort.

Week before the fecking addidas also confirmed it.

Only a club announcement can confirm it, if the BBC says it is 100% done I'll take that aswell but it is not the case