From what I read the other day, they have to have been at the club for 3 years to be classed as "home grown" but he was only here 2 years and 9 months...
So I read anyway...
So I read anyway...
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We didn't buy him for the homegrown quota that's for sure. It's just happens
Yes. Probably a bit of shame and head banging.
But at the end of the day he's worth 100m and let's leave it at that. There's no point shooting down a world class player just because you dont want a bit of shame for letting him go
Any chance that they may have backdated it as we were found to have done nothing wrong?
My boss won't have a leg to stand on, given this precedent.
The general definition of a youth product is as follows:
1. Did not play professionally for another club
2. Joined before 18 years old
3. Played in our Academy (or equivalent)
4. Qualifies for FA Youth Cup
Pogba ticks all those boxes.
EUFA's criteria has little to do with actual youth development.
that's not the PL homegrown criteriaMaybe a stupid question, but why has his holiday been so long? I'm guessing a combination of Euros + Serie A starting late? August 7 still seems a pretty late date to return.
MEN reported that. Don't know if true...
You've answered your own question really. That's exactly why he's still on holiday.
What you have to consider is one regime concluding the "sale" and another buying him back. At the very core it's two different entities, if you will.
To be honest, unless anybody can dig out the registration papers it's hard to know. He first joined at the end of July, and if we've got away with that being the date, he did 3 years. If they are dated October, when it was finally settled, then obviously he didn't.
Ah here.
It might end up being pretty important if Pogba is going to be classed as homegrown (something which I doubt) as if/when Brexit begins to take shape, who knows what kind of foreign player restrictions could be placed on PL teams in the future.
Read one article which says it's 36 months or 3 seasons. Not and, so Pogba qualified ad home grown.
On mobile, so can't link. Just Google hardtackle.com issues of home grown rules.
So you don't agree? Elaborate then.
I posted the rules above, it's three entire seasons or 36 months. He did neither.
He's not homegrown.
What does it matter if he is homegrown or not ? It is not like we are going to run into a problem of not having enough home grown players to reach the quota any time soon.
Schneiderlin spent 29 months before his 21st birthday but he was considered as home grown as he spent 3 seasons.
It will probably hinge on their definition of entire season.
Doesn't clarify whether they were able to back-date. If we filed forms when he first turned up, and they were only authorsied in October, I'd imaging there's a possibility they were dated July?
Nope...the criteria the PL uses allows us to categorise the Da Silva twins as home grown players. They never played in our Academy at all.
Their criteria does;t make sense and is contradictory.
In addition, when comparing youth players over time you have to apply the same criteria otherwise records, statistics and comparisons become meaningless.
The criteria I have mentioned has been around for a long time.
Unlike what people might think nowadays, a 21 years old player is a very young player and he is still learning the game. IIRC in rugby it's 23 years old and in cyclism u24 are youth athletes.
Manchester United sold Pogba and Manchester United are going to buy him back. The records will show that as will the company accounts.
Just because a different management team sold him to the one that bought him back doesn't make it 'two different entities' as you put it.
I'm not disputing that. Just saying in the eyes of the law he's an adult at 18.
The rules allow for the third season being the season in which the player turns 21.
You can't backdate a registration.
I'm confused now, we seem to be talking at crossed purposes.
The question is whether he will be classed as homegrown by the Premier League, and according to their own rules he will not.
IIRC, more than 6 months counts as an entire season.
Apparently, the delay in contract signing is because the pen used is 7ft long and is tethered to the desk with a 2 inch thick chain
( so people don't accidentally walk off with it)
The low ceiling in the room doesn't help either!
( so people don't accidentally walk off with it)
The low ceiling in the room doesn't help either!
And it has nothing to do with being an adult.
I just think the 21 rule is a bit arbitrary that's all. Why 21?
Think it probably would make more of a difference in the champions league registrations. Not sure if they use different criteria or not, but pogba qualifies for both in football manager, and it could be because he was here for most of 3 seasons, between 2009 and 2012, not necessarily needing full 36 months or to have been there since game 1
It's good that we've come to the conclusion that he is not homegrown. The same conclusion we came to both 300 and 500 pages ago.
Please can we lock this thread until there is actual news? I don't believe there is anything more to discuss regarding this potential transfer.
Please can we lock this thread until there is actual news? I don't believe there is anything more to discuss regarding this potential transfer.
Not really back-dating though, if we submitted it in July, and it just had to sit waiting for approval until October?
Ladbrokes offering 3/1 that Pogba is spotted at the Community Shield
Seconded.
Of all the various opinions about the "quality" or whatever of a thread on an internet forum that get thrown around, requests for locks are always the ones that confuse me most. You can just ignore it, you know.
FM appears to be wrong. He does not meet the criteria to be classed as homegrown by the Premier League.
He was not registered until October, that's the only point that matters.
Because for the federations the formative years stop at 21/22 years old. For example in France each class year is given one staff from the age of 15 to the age of 20, that staff has for mission to develop the players, then they are sent to the U21's staff who has for mission to help them transition to senior level.
In football the formative period last 6 years, not 3.
Just managed to find the official PL handbook rather than a third party copy (the PL website fecking sucks)
There's no doubt; Pogba is not a homegrown player.
Fair enough. My point was it seems a bit arbitrary. Home-grown could mean anything really, particularly if the age cut off is 21.