Reasonable concern, but he'll probably only miss a couple of games (including the charity shield) so it shouldn't be too much of a drag.
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It got everything to do with Pogba. We are discussing if the signing of Pogba for 100m is good business. Is this the new tactic now. As soon as the anti-Pogba argument kicks off again the muppets as to 'move it to another thread'? Fair enough. Maybe you should change the thread title to the "Pogba Muppet Love In" thread.
Amen. You can't argue with unbridled arrogance. Unwillingness to listen to another point of view is why it's impossible arguing with that clueless bloke. God, the stupidity
Your argument lacks substance or consistency.
Yes, as you have so philosophically declared, every transfer is a punt, however, or 4 United signings and 3 City signings, you only saw fit to label Mkhitaryan with that description, thus implying the others were of a sure thing. 2 of City's signings came from the same league as Mkhitaryan, and were outperformed by him. He has also cost the joint least of all of these players at £26m, so it isn't like we spent significantly more or him than Sane and Ilkay deals.
You then go on to use Zlatan's age against him, due to the risks that come with that, however, overlooking the risks that also come with Sané's age. Couple that with the fact that Zlat Man was free and Sané was £37m, it makes your logic all the more peculiar.
Bailly is as much a 'raw' or 'unproven' signing as Sane, and financially less of a risk.
Also, in relation to Pogba, we are not signing him instead of buying 3 players like you listed. If so, you may have some point in questioning which is better. We are signing him in addition to 3 other players, who are no less proven or more expensive than City signings.
In summary, you have no fecking point whatsoever.
How dare me question the signing of Paul Pogba for 100m when the caf is SO sure its the most amazing signing in the history of football ever since last summer.
Definitely A.
In summary I have a very clear and consistent point. WE SHOULDN'T SIGN PAUL POGBA.
Honestly? I really can't see how anyone could go for that option. But thanks for at least answering the question.
That shifting of goalposts is incredible!
Doing my best. I'll go down fighting too. Will be relieved when this transfer is done one way or another.
How is that shifting any goalposts? WTF? Shifting the goalposts
.If anything I've been more consistent in this thread than anyone. Consistent in arguing against the Pogba transfer.
Well your supporting arguments, or forwarded rationale, was nonsense or at the very least, without logic.
You were going on about Mkhitaryan and completely derailing the thread.
See I don't buy this argument at all. People talk about early matches as if the points are worth less come May or something. If we fail to beat Bournemouth and then miss out on the title / top 4 by a point or two, then that result is just as much the reason as any other.
It amazes me that while other sports are getting fully into the idea of marginal gains, in football we still don't seem to value such a major and tangible advantage as 3 points. Everybody just seems to have this blasé attitude of "oh, it's only one match".
I was going on about Mkhitarayan
? I mentioned him ONCE and got a deluge of alerts in response. And if you read back through I've done my level best to get it back on topic.No that wasn't my point, I agree entirely with what you're saying here in that every game is equally important, I'm just saying that in the scheme of things I'd rather he miss one or two games at the start of the season in order to have a proper break than come back early and end up suffering with fatigue later in the season and potentially either missing more games or being no use.
It's not that simple though, is it? Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
Dropping points at Bournemouth isn't more or less significant to us losing the title by a point or two, considering there will be x amount of games we won/lost/draw throughout the league as well as x games our rivals win/lose/draw too.
So the Telegraph were chatting absolute breeze then yesterday
Sports Journalism is such a joke.
Yeah.
Let's see if Sky Sources were right about him being in Manchester tomorrow.
I was labelled an attention seeker because I said it was more than likely BS...
I've consistently put forward the 'logical' argument; he is not the type of midfielder we need. That is the logical argument. You don't have to agree with it.
How is that shifting any goalposts? WTF? Shifting the goalposts
If anything I've been more consistent in this thread than anyone. Consistent in arguing against the Pogba transfer.
You've gone from saying Mkhi is a punt as opposed to an injury ravaged Gundogan and a raw Sane to saying who will be worth more in 3 years time.
That is shifting goalposts.
Wrong again.
I've gone from saying Zlatan, Bailly and Mhki PLUS Gundongan, Sane & Kante combined would have been better business than signing Paul Pogba.
As opposed to siging Zlatan (free), Bailly (potential) and Mhki (IMO a bit of a puntish signing) PLUS Paul Pogba.
That is what I said. But of course to dismiss my anti-Pogba position you guys have to pick up on ONE word "Punt".
You're all punts. (or cnuts)
I don't think many people would say that Pogba is actually worth that much money. He's worth a lot, but not that much. The point is that this purchase is a pure expression of muppet mania. We're all muppets now.
There's every need to be patronising mate. When you're being accused of talking 'nonsense' by the muppet brigade I've every right to be patronising.
That's fair enough if you're happy with our business. Personally I think the Pogba money could be better spent.
Has to be announced today...surely.
D obviously is the best choice out of the lot. But A is the best out of the first 3 imo. But this list is somewhat absurd in that, even after all the spending, United could still spend more if needed. So if United wanted to move for Sane, they could have. So when you say Pogba costs £100m, so we could have got x, y and z for the same amount, you have to understand that Pogba was the last major piece in the puzzle for Mourinho and United had already strengthened in the areas your replacement players play. So ultimately, Mourinho feels spending larger on one player is better than spending smaller on more players that aren't quite of the same quality. Fair enough if you feel that was the wrong way about it, but LVG went for the latter shotgun type approach in focusing in quantity, rather than quality (ofc saying that Gundogan and co aren't the same quality as Rojo).
A for sure.
Gundongen is another Hargreaves waiting to happen and Sane has potential only, as Memphis did last season.
Signing the Bundesliga PoTY + Pogba, Zlatan & Bailey is much "smarter". You have much more guarantee of success with option A.
Seriously... drop the city player comparison. They're playing for our rivals and ain't coming, if they weren't city players we might not have been interested anyway.
Yeah we're paying a lot. But it's like comparing to other stuff where cost/performance isn't linear.
If you pay 100 for something and 200 for another thing you don't get twice the performance. But it's a better performing thing and if you want it you're paying premium money...
Yeah we're paying a lot. But it's like comparing to other stuff where cost/performance isn't linear.
If you pay 100 for something and 200 for another thing you don't get twice the performance. But it's a better performing thing and if you want it you're paying premium money...
£100m is a lot but Im happy we are getting a world class player so feck it. Simple as that really.
I don't know why Rory see's the need to compare money spent with City, Gunbdogan is a complete liability with his injury record and Sane could go either way just look how hyped Memphis was last summer, the Premier League is a completely different game to what he's used too.
I don't know why Rory see's the need to compare money spent with City, Gunbdogan is a complete liability with his injury record and Sane could go either way just look how hyped Memphis was last summer, the Premier League is a completely different game to what he's used too.
Those three players would not be available for the same money as Pogba is costing.
That's without even getting in to the wage differential.
Fair enough. It's a crazy sum of money on a player who isn't yet at a level to justify that spending. I'd say Woodward's arse will be clenched for a good while yet. I haven't watched many Juve games so my opinion is mainly based on Pogba at United, when I thought he had the most potential of any kid I've ever seen at the club (apart from, maybe, Morrison - the eejit) and he seems to be doing what it takes to fulfil that promise. Which isn't always the case. So I'm delighted he's back. Other opinions are available.
Which is the nub of this whole argument. And essentially boils down to how good you think Pogba is, I don't think he's that good.
And as I asked earlier on. What if two of them had been available for the total cost of Pogba, including wages?
Still, all PR is by some considered good PR. And there is no way around it, this saga has genereted a lot of hype around United. It wouldn't be any surprise that Woodie wants us to be viewed as able to make a world record transfer. It is fitting with the move towards a galactico-style club profile.
That being said i'd be very surprised if its all smoke and mirrors...
That's refreshing!
Rio doesn't seem to think it is a done deal.
Before I get hounded with 'how would Rio know', well he smiled when someone said Pogba's name and people on here took that as it was done.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...ve-adverse-effect-mentally-says-a7172446.html
Before I get hounded with 'how would Rio know', well he smiled when someone said Pogba's name and people on here took that as it was done.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...ve-adverse-effect-mentally-says-a7172446.html
Agree, Pogba, Ibrahimovic and potentially Bailey are leaders on the pitch, we need that more than just the talent. We have become a bit of a soft touch lately, we need guys who can equally rough it up and pull something out of the blue when needed, mikhitarian can contribute to the latter.
We have enough potential in RashFord, Martial and Depay.
There is no guarantee that Sane, Gundogan or Kante would have joined us even if we had bid for them. But just for the sake of the argument, I would still choose A. Here are my reasons. I would not want us to sign Sane for 37m because we have already signed a better player who plays in that exact same position and has outperformed him in the same league. Frankly, I just don't rate Sane that highly. Gundogan would have been a wonderful player if had not suffered such serious injuries in the last few years. Even if he completely recovers from injury, I don't think he is better than Pogba who is younger and has a much higher potential. Kante is possibly the only player I would have liked us to sign. But our team needs a creative player like Pogba more than a player like Kante. If we could sign both, then yes. Otherwise, I would always choose Pogba over Kante.
The question is why?
- The player is not good enough
- We do not have that kind of money
- The player is good, but will never be better
- There are better players in that position on the cheap, willing to be here
- The player is an ex-Utd outcast
- The player is arrogant, crazy and pompous
Please feel free to select multiple points from above or add your own reason.
I think the argument is the same both ways. 3 points in the beginning of the season are the same as 3 points at the end of the season (Charity shield is not included obviously). In summary, you are both right.