I guess ignorance is bliss for you.Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Paul Pogba | Undergoing Medical | Helping out the Laundry Ladies
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Just checked that juventuz forum. There's so much hate for United there now
Not to mention some truly disgusting posts towards the Glazers that I will not quote.
And this guy who goes under the name 'BayernFan':
Yeah, definitely a legit bayern fan and not some juve fan with a second account
What a loon. Spurs are no where near the level of United.
We're certainly not gonna announce it till the Pog is in Manchester. It will be late next week I reckon.
Klopp isn't stupid
He is a Liverpool manager criticising United breaking the world transfer record. He knows how it will look.
It is daft to ignore the context in which something is said and hang on to just literal meanings.
Well said.
Why do you say that? It's possible that the signing is announced, "pending a medical" is it not?
Posted so many times by now, but honestly this comp is
That's ridiculous. I've never watched a highlight reel so long. I normally can't be bothered past 5 mins. But that was epic.
Posted so many times by now, but honestly this comp is
Good gracious god those finishes are terrible by his team-mates. Pub-team-strikers.
It's possible, yes. But our club doesn't seem to prefer taking that route. Instead preferring to let the speculation and anticipation run for a while. Pogba and his entourage seem to prefer teasing us as well haha.
It's done, though
When Ed says United can do things other clubs can't, he means it.
The Pogba deal makes sense from a footballing perspective and from a branding perspective, that has been discussed over and over in this thread.
But although many people seem to see the price as an overpayment for a player of Pogba's quality, the deal is a peach from the financial perspective. Players do not get paid for with all cash ufront, its usually done in several payments. By the time United start making the installment payments, the whole deal will have been paid off by the profits in shirt sales and other merchandising and marketing benefits that United & Pogba will pull from this deal. It's a beauty.
The main risk here from United's perspective is an injury to Pogba in his first 2 or 3 years, but they should be able to buy insurance to cover that risk. The risk will be higher for Pogba than for other midfielders because high profile signings usually suffer more fouls. Refs try to protect players like Ronaldo and Messi, but its harder for Refs to protect a high profile midfielder such as Pogba. So they must insure him.
The Pogba deal makes sense from a footballing perspective and from a branding perspective, that has been discussed over and over in this thread.
But although many people seem to see the price as an overpayment for a player of Pogba's quality, the deal is a peach from the financial perspective. Players do not get paid for with all cash ufront, its usually done in several payments. By the time United start making the installment payments, the whole deal will have been paid off by the profits in shirt sales and other merchandising and marketing benefits that United & Pogba will pull from this deal. It's a beauty.
The main risk here from United's perspective is an injury to Pogba in his first 2 or 3 years, but they should be able to buy insurance to cover that risk. The risk will be higher for Pogba than for other midfielders because high profile signings usually suffer more fouls. Refs try to protect players like Ronaldo and Messi, but its harder for Refs to protect a high profile midfielder such as Pogba. So they must insure him.
Your posts makes no sense. You saying Pogba is no good in terms of playing ability but never watched him play. But you are also saying you dont want any disappointment due to our transfer strategy over the past three years.
Not again.
Not building my hopes up. If I say he's going to be shit and he isn't, it's cool.
Posted so many times by now, but honestly this comp is
Also, going from this video to the same channels compilation of Dybala, there is an insane difference in class.
Bless his naive soul
All of this is bonkers but the bolded parts especially.
I know with absolute certainty that the insurance part quoted is absolute nonsense. There are metrics and models at work to insure. None of these models have anything factored in in terms of a player being a midfielder or more high profile.
It blows my mind that people just randomly make things up to analyse the financial aspects of a football deal.
Same. It was so good I actually watched the full 28 minutes three times early on in this saga, and at the time I didn't even believe we were really going to make it happen.
Juventuz is a forum mate.
Haha, why not again?
The cost to United will be much lower than £92m very very quickly with all the shirt sales. Maybe after a couple of weeks week United will announce the initial shirt sales, and then we can talk about Pogba costing United £40m at that point.
Pogday!
All this makes me wonder how the Caf reacted when Ronaldo was sold back then.
This is sooo disappointing. We're less than a day away from making it official and still nowhere close to 1,000 pages...
I'm so bloody happy right now
You're missing out
Ok I gave in. 45 seconds in and that skill made me spit my tea out
I don't think he is entirely wrong. Raiola has got to double dip on this because 1) Sale of Pogba to anyone he was due a share from it - even if that deal was brokered by some other agent 2) Because he is brokering the deal - a separate fee irrelevant of the share owed. Think in one of the many tweets about the fee, there has been an implication that Juve is going to pay Raiola something from the sale but, it sounds like Raiola will get bulk of his money from United as the broker. Probably trying to figure out these details is where there has been some back and forth in the last week and now it seems all settled.
I fail to see the logic here.
Wait you seriously think Pogba's going to let us sell an additional £52m worth of shirts? Within weeks? In fact, no, seeing as Adidas collect a huge amount of the revenue from shirt sales, you think Pogba alone is going to sell at least over £100m worth of shirts? You do realise over the past few years we've sold 1.5m shirts on average per year at approximately £50 and for your prediction to even have a chance of coming true Pogba's going to sell at least 2m shirts in two weeks? The feck?
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People underestimate the effect of having one superstar in football
When I grew up I idolized Beckham, and he happens to play for United. Long after Beckham retires I'm still a United fans. So don't underestimate the effect of having one Pogba to our fan base in the grand scheme of things.
I may not bought a Beckham shirt at that time due to being a schoolboy, but I'm 35 years now and over the years I have contributed to the United brand. Now imagine how many people will start following United due to their favorite player joining us, and once you're converted it'll last a lifetime.
When I grew up I idolized Beckham, and he happens to play for United. Long after Beckham retires I'm still a United fans. So don't underestimate the effect of having one Pogba to our fan base in the grand scheme of things.
I may not bought a Beckham shirt at that time due to being a schoolboy, but I'm 35 years now and over the years I have contributed to the United brand. Now imagine how many people will start following United due to their favorite player joining us, and once you're converted it'll last a lifetime.
No every agent gets a cut from the buying club when signing one of his players. Thats the normal agent fees/commission the buying club has to pay. But this clause is completely unrelated to us. The selling club has to pay the agent because of the clause but Juventus want us to increase our initial bid so they can use that to cover the 20m fee cost. So in essence Raoila will get two commissions - one from us, the normal agent fees for signing his player and one from Juventus, which isnt normal fees that they included voluntarily in the players contract.
I fail to see the logic here.
Wait you seriously think Pogba's going to let us sell an additional £52m worth of shirts? In fact, no, seeing as Adidas collect a huge amount of the revenue from shirt sales, you think Pogba alone is going to sell at least over £100m worth of shirts? You do realise over the past few years we've sold 1.5m shirts on average per year at approximately£50, so for your prediction to be true we're going to sell at least 3.5m shirts this year? The feck?
But one pogba fans converted into United fans can easilly gives much more than simply buying a shirt, over the years.
We don't get to where we are right now without the collective number of fans across the world who happens to start supporting United for whatever reason, and having a superstar is one of those.
calm before the storm...
Last year all our point of attacks were Martial. If teams doubled up on him and nullified him we struggled. Now with Zlatan, Mhyki and Pogba in the team and Rooney and Martial it is impossible to double up on anyone as we have to many. The amount of match winners we have is fantastic. I know this is pure greed but wouldn't mind a Mahrez in the mix as along with Rashford and Mata it would give us real quality competition.
It's been debunked on here more times than the earth being flat. Of course it will only be a good thing for us commercially, but there's no chance we'll get anywhere near half the fee back.
I don't think so, I think it's just a normal clause which Juve don't want to pay.
It's like selling a house and the seller refuse to cover the house agent commission (aka being a cnut over it)
I'm not talking about the insurance models. You may be right that they make no allowance for a player being at higher risk if they are are midfielder or more high profile. But just because these factors are not in the models doesn't mean they don't exist.
You just need to watch a game from Barsa, or Real Madrid, and see how many fouls are made against Ronaldo and Messi. Anyone who has watched them will know they are fouled much more than lower profile players. That's part of the reason they go down easily, possibly to protect themselves.
As for midfielders suffering more fouls, this is because they are in that part of the pitch where more battles for ball control take place. Plus, opponents will not think twice about fouling or not when they are 40yards from goal, versus when they are in the penalty area.
So perhaps you know with absolute certainty how insurance models work. But that does not mean what I was saying is bonkers.
I dont think its normal because this clause isnt there in every contract. If this clause was there then every time a club sells a player they have to pay the agent. That doesnt happen. This is a special situation. Thats why the complication.
Wonder what kind of reception the Pog will get at old Trafford.
Google Real Madrid have sold over a million Cristiano Ronaldo shirts. Covered their fee. I remember hearing those news soon after CR7 was sold to them.
BTW, this is my last post, so you all get your wish for me to stop. I hope at least you saw some sense in what I was saying.
I wasn't around for that one, but the De Gea thread was not very classy when it looked certain he was going. Plenty were wishing that his career bombs, with some wishing serious injury on him.
Juventuz getting a bit racist can't be justified, but the reaction in general is par for the course.
I move house today, hoping by the time I'm done faffing around with sofas etc he'll be signed!