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Do you want Pogba for £100 million?

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Igor Drefljak said:
Been out all day.
Juve have paid big to get Higuain.

If we pulled out of the Pogba transfer right now, could they afford the summer they have had?
Have they shown their hand to quickly?
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I believe everything is agreed.
Nobody is in a rush. Player is still at his holiday, expecting to be back soon. So everything will get done as soon as he's back in Europe.

That Juventus made a bid for Higuain, directly after Ed's supposedly had a meeting with Juventus, can't be a coincident. And I don't think Juve would spend that kind of money if they weren't expecting a great amount coming in.

After that meeting, Ed went to China and Raiola went to Pogba in Miami, and it's been quite silence since then. That's because everything is agreed. The picture Pogba posted, along with the text, on his instagram is also a hint that it's done. They were celebrating the fact that Pogba is now the most expensive player in history.
 
If it was decided beforehand that Juve will pay Raiola a certain percentage of the transfer fee if Pogba moves in the future, surely Raiola must have made Juve sign some sort of legally binding documents right?
 
The red panther said:
That doesn't stop signings, Barca had a transferban once and it was one of the windows they signed the most players, just didn't register them until January.

Wouldn't be hard to imagine something similar with Pogba, Juve keep him for now so they can have a CL with Pogba and Higauin, Dyabala and Pjanic and their amazing defence having the best chance in like forever to win it. Pogba has a great chance for CL win, Real got a year to gather enough funds. Real sign him in the summer but don't register him till January because of the transfer ban and loan him out for half a season to Juve.
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I suppose it's possible but its a bit of a stretch, why would RM buy him then loan him out for 6 months when the could just buy him 6 months further down the line at a reduced price because his contract will be running down. Especially as if they bought him then loaned him they will be paying most of his wages as anyone that they would be willing to loan him too wouldn't be able to pay the huge wages he would be on. Why would pogba a world star go there then go on loan for 6 months.

Juve would be risking alot his attitude, health etc etc by not seeling him now.
 
GJNJ said:
I suppose it's possible but its a bit of a stretch, why would RM buy him then loan him out for 6 months when the could just buy him 6 months further down the line at a reduced price because his contract will be running down. Especially as if they bought him then loaned him they will be paying most of his wages as anyone that they would be willing to loan him too wouldn't be able to pay the huge wages he would be on. Why would pogba a world star go there then go on loan for 6 months.

Juve would be risking alot his attitude, health etc etc by not seeling him now.
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Spot on.
 
zain said:
Only way that happens is if Pogba signs an extension with Juve. And it would definitely not be close to the sort of wages United are willing to offer right now.
In the scenario you posted, Real would only get the player to be able to play for them with a year and a half left on his contract. No way will they offer big money to Juve with so few months left on Pogba's contract.
If Juve want to make big bucks on him, it's now or never...
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yes they will never get as much as they are getting now altough, you never know, last year I wouldn't think anyone would pay €94m for Higuain but there you go. Maybay if we do end up signing him for €120m, it will be considered a bargain, who knows. Players just seem to become more expensive every window, can't imagine that going down anytime soon, especially with the chinese even more crazy to spend to inflate the market and the tv money going up every year to increase it even more.
 
GJNJ said:
I suppose it's possible but its a bit of a stretch, why would RM buy him then loan him out for 6 months when the could just buy him 6 months further down the line at a reduced price because his contract will be running down. Especially as if they bought him then loaned him they will be paying most of his wages as anyone that they would be willing to loan him too wouldn't be able to pay the huge wages he would be on. Why would pogba a world star go there then go on loan for 6 months.

Juve would be risking alot his attitude, health etc etc by not seeling him now.
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1: Because if they wait too long some other party might buy him
2: Because Pogba really wants to go Real and it is the only way possible for him, going 6 months longer to Juve and getting paid for it by Real isn't the worst thing.
 
I agree the Higuain deal is a precursor for the imminent Pogba deal, but i don't think we'd deliberately delay it so they could sign Higuain.

Maybe if they were after multiple targets and clubs knew they would have money to burn, but they met Higuain's release clause. It's pretty much irrelevant here.
 
Suvaid666 said:
If it was decided beforehand that Juve will pay Raiola a certain percentage of the transfer fee if Pogba moves in the future, surely Raiola must have made Juve sign some sort of legally binding documents right?
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Ofcourse if it wasn't legally binding Juve wouldn't own him shite. You think they promised him all this by pinky swear ?
 
Suvaid666 said:
If it was decided beforehand that Juve will pay Raiola a certain percentage of the transfer fee if Pogba moves in the future, surely Raiola must have made Juve sign some sort of legally binding documents right?
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Yes, but nothing stops them from just wanting an even higher transfer from us to cover the money they have to pay Raiola. It's not as if Pogba has a release clause. If they want €120m for Pogba, but have to pay Raila 20%, then they can just add another 20% to the €120m. Then, in theory, we've actually paid Raiola's cut. So I don't understand why people keep calling Juve's actions 'illegal' and call for a trial etc.

It obviously seems a bit greedy and cnutish, but tbf, it's their player, and they can demand whatever fee they want.
 
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K2K said:
Juventus have to pay 45 mil this year in cash.

Very few businesses can do that . People undersestimate that from a cashflow perspective. Cash is king for a reason. So there have to getting cash elsewhere.
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Plus they have to pay for other players, whether in installments or otherwise. Some people are acting like this year's payment to Napoli is all that they have to pay out.

Besides, the only thing that anyone has to go on about whether or not Juve can pay for Higuain and keep Pogba, is coming from Juve themselves. Which is exactly what you would expect them to sell. If I buy a new house down the road before I sell my old house, I'm not going to tell potential buyers of the old house that I need to hurry up and sell. I'm going to say that I'm thinking about keeping the old house, it has a lot of sentimental memories, maybe I'll put my in-laws there so that they're closer to their grand kids, etc. I sure as hell aren't telling them that I'm going to go bankrupt if I don't sell the house ASAP.
 
2 Man Midfield said:
I agree the Higuain deal is a precursor for the imminent Pogba deal, but i don't think we'd deliberately delay it so they could sign Higuain.

Maybe if they were after multiple targets and clubs knew they would have money to burn, but they met Higuain's release clause. It's pretty much irrelevant here.
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They've also bought numerous other players when when added on to th Higuain fee will likely result in pressure to sell. In all honesty, selling Pogba would actually be good business for them, as they would buy a quality replacement to compliment Benatia, Higuain, Pjanic, Alves et al.
 
Chip said:
Yes, but nothing stops them from just wanting an even higher transfer from us to cover the money they have to pay Raiola. It's not as if Pogba has a release clause. If they want €120m for Pogba, but have to pay Raila 20%, then they can just add another 20% to the €120m. Then, in theory, we've actually paid Raiola's cut. So I don't understand why people keep calling Juve's actions 'illegal' and call for a trial etc. It obviously seems a bit greedy and cnutish, but tbf, it's their player, and they can demand whatever fee they want.
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Exactly

The thing that makes this complex is that Raiola is a 3th party who is owed a certain percentage in case of a transfer. But ofcourse there is no fix value for the transfer so Juve can ask whatever they want and Raiola's cut just comes on top of that. The thing you must remeber is that Raiola will really want to move heaven and earth to make this transfer go through because for him to get a cut a transfer needs to happen and the higher the fee the higher his cut will be aswell. But ofcourse United wants to pay alot but €120m + 20m extra is very excessive so the last part of the negotiation is can we bring that total amount down enough so it is acceptable for United and find a split so it is acceptable for Juve and end up with enough for Raiola so he is happy aswell.
 
The red panther said:
1: Because if they wait too long some other party might buy him
2: Because Pogba really wants to go Real and it is the only way possible for him, going 6 months longer to Juve and getting paid for it by Real isn't the worst thing.
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If Pogba really wants to be there so bad would he not just wait 6 months for them and just turn down any other club that came in for him?
 


Mediaset are saying that we're not willing to raise our offer for Pogba, but a deal could be closed in the next 24-48 hours.
 

"Mino Raiola came from Miami and met juventus. ManUtd does not want to raise the offer. "
 
Giving this till the end of the week, if it hasn't happened by then then it won't happen in my opinion. Either way I'm getting sick and tired of the same shit spouted every day only to change the next.
 
MiamiSpartan said:
Plus they have to pay for other players, whether in installments or otherwise. Some people are acting like this year's payment to Napoli is all that they have to pay out.

Besides, the only thing that anyone has to go on about whether or not Juve can pay for Higuain and keep Pogba, is coming from Juve themselves. Which is exactly what you would expect them to sell. If I buy a new house down the road before I sell my old house, I'm not going to tell potential buyers of the old house that I need to hurry up and sell. I'm going to say that I'm thinking about keeping the old house, it has a lot of sentimental memories, maybe I'll put my in-laws there so that they're closer to their grand kids, etc. I sure as hell aren't telling them that I'm going to go bankrupt if I don't sell the house ASAP.
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Yea there is like €28m additionally they have to pay
€32m for Pjanic
€3m for Benatia (loan with 17m option to buy at the end of it)
€23m for Pjaca
Alves was free
€47m for Higuain (paid over 2 installements)
minus incoming €30m for moratta

So I think they would be €75m outgoing cash right now, maybay less if Pjanic and Pjaca are due in installements, that is possible, I don't know. I think they got €30m from RM all at once because it was some clause in the contract that was triggered directly.
 
GJNJ said:
If Pogba really wants to be there so bad would he not just wait 6 months for them and just turn down any other club that came in for him?
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Who knows, we are really verging here to a hyphotetical discussion with no end and no use so lets break it off before it get silly.

Lets just say he could go to us, he could stay, he could go to Real, now or in a latter window, all is possible and all have their logic to some extend
 
Mister_Stubbs said:
Giving this till the end of the week, if it hasn't happened by then then it won't happen in my opinion. Either way I'm getting sick and tired of the same shit spouted every day only to change the next.
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No offence but why post this? What if it doesn't happen by Friday but does happen by August 1st?
 
Ban said:
If it doesnt happen till Friday I think its off.
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If it's off, we'll know about it. I just can't see us giving up on this so easily if we've put weeks of effort into it.
One side is going to crack sooner or later.
 
Everything so far still seems to suggest it's already done, no matter what hash, di marzio, or his underlings say. Not like they're going to hold negotiations for now, then ring back 48 hours later and say "well Ed? are you going to pay the agent fees now?"
 
Jacky Quacky said:

"Mino Raiola came from Miami and met juventus. ManUtd does not want to raise the offer. "
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I agree, If they dont want to take all that money then tough they will lose much more next year especially if he doesn't live up to season past. If Juve truly did agree to pay Raiola his percentage there is no reason we should foot the bill after spending so much already. Move on to matuidi and concentrate on improving the secondary squad.
 
Does anybody remember the Carlos Tevez saga? (Christ, 10 years ago now :eek:)

Well this feels a bit like that. That dragged out a lot over agent and image issues etc
 
Red Bug said:
No offence but why post this? What if it doesn't happen by Friday but does happen by August 1st?
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Then I hold my hands up and say I was happily wrong but as of this moment, to many stories with different things are coming out on a daily basis for this to be a done deal.
 
ChaddyP said:
I agree, If they dont want to take all that money then tough they will lose much more next year especially if he doesn't live up to season past. If Juve truly did agree to pay Raiola his percentage there is no reason we should foot the bill after spending so much already. Move on to matuidi and concentrate on improving the secondary squad.
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Matuidi is shit though.
 
ChaddyP said:
I agree, If they dont want to take all that money then tough they will lose much more next year especially if he doesn't live up to season past. If Juve truly did agree to pay Raiola his percentage there is no reason we should foot the bill after spending so much already. Move on to matuidi and concentrate on improving the secondary squad.
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Its not that they dont want, they have to. The issue is Juve want a guaranteed amount BEFORE Raiolas cut. And that amount seems like 100m euros.
 
Fully Fledged said:
It was a % of the future transfer. Juve never expected the fee to be so high when they agreed to it. Now they are balking at having to pay him such a large sum and want us to do it.
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If they didn't think the fee would be this high, they presumably thought what..... £50m? so they'd pay tubby £10m and net £40m.

£100m even after paying £20m is still net £80m.

What the 20% turns into in pound/euro value is irrelevant as every £1 the fee is higher than they may have expected, is 80p to Juve? The higher the fee, the better for them?

They're just playing hardball and we should tell them to call us when/if they're ready to accept our offer (and they'll pay agents fees as they're meant to). Or, they can try and plug their cash flow without the Pogba fee and we move onto another target..... fine by me.
 
If this isn't over by friday I may start with therapy. This saga is awful.
 
Mister_Stubbs said:
Giving this till the end of the week, if it hasn't happened by then then it won't happen in my opinion. Either way I'm getting sick and tired of the same shit spouted every day only to change the next.
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You realise that's exactly what you've just done?
 
Jacky Quacky said:
Matuidi is shit though.
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He will be our shit. There clearly must be a line drawn, they will never see another offer like this for pogba again. And are ramping up their spending like no ones business. Whoever our other 2 targets are we should focus on them if Juve dont want to play ball with our more than generous offer. Season starts in 2 weeks, we have our own priorities to fix. If Jose thinks Matuidi offers the missing 25% then so be it.
 
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