84 more years to go cant judge it yet, plus Ronaldo was a bigger transfer in terms of the player.
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84 more years to go cant judge it yet, plus Ronaldo was a bigger transfer in terms of the player.
Why Mourinho?
Anyone else starting to feel a little annoyed over how long this is taking? I know its the biggest transfer in football history, but its starting to get a bit tedious.
How awful it would be if we went through all this, we got him and he turned out to be shite in the Premier League
very much possible.
Yes. We have to pay. Even if they ask 200m. Pay and get Pogba. I don't care how much we pay in transfer fee, agent fee and wages. Whatever it takes to get Pogba.
Juventus have to pay 45 mil this year in cash.
Very few businesses can do that . People undersestimate that from a cashflow perspective. Cash is king for a reason. So there have to getting cash elsewhere.
We know how it feels. Di Maria was an insane transfer and he was shite.How awful it would be if we went through all this, we got him and he turned out to be shite in the Premier League
Let's sell United then. Whatever it takes!
They're not skint but their biggest purchase in the last 15 years was €32m and their recent record of profit making is not very good per:
According to the Deloitte Football Money League, a research published by consultants Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu on 17 January 2014, Juventus are the ninth-highest earning football club in the world with an estimated revenue of €272.4 million, the most for an Italian club.[155] The club is also ranked ninth on Forbes' list of the most valuable football clubs in the world with an estimate value of US$850 million (€654 million), making them the second richest association football club in Italy. The club was located in 2012 in top 50 sporting teams at worldwide level in terms of value.[156][157]
Juventus re-capitalized on 28 June 2007, increased €104,807,731.60 shares capital.[158] The team made an aggregate net loss in the following seasons (2006 to date): –€927,569 (2006–07),[158] –€20,787,469 (2007–08),[159] net income €6,582,489 (2008–09)[160] and net loss €10,967,944 (2009–10).[161] After an unaudited €43,411,481 net loss was recorded in the first nine months of 2010–11 season,[162] the BoD announced that a capital increase of €120 million was planned, scheduled to submit to the extraordinary shareholder's meeting in October.[163] Eventually, the 2010–11 season net loss was €95,414,019.[164] In the 2012–13 season Juventus continued to recover from recent seasons' net losses thanks to the biggest payment in Uefa's Champions League 2012–13 revenue distribution, earning €65.3 million. Despite being knocked out in the quarterfinal stage, Juventus took the lion's share thanks to the largesse of the Italian national TV market and the division of revenues with the only other Italian team attended at the competition's final phase, AC Milan.[165] Confirming the trend of marked improvement in net result, the 2013–14 financial year closed with a loss of €6.7 million but with the first positive operating income since 2006.[166] In the 2014–15 season, by the excellent sports results achieved (the fourth year in a row of Serie A titles, the tenth Coppa Italia title, and playing the Champions League Final), net income reached at €2.3 million. Compared to the loss of €6.7 million last year, 2014–15 shows a positive change of €9 million and returns to a profit after six years since 2008–09
Juventus re-capitalized on 28 June 2007, increased €104,807,731.60 shares capital.[158] The team made an aggregate net loss in the following seasons (2006 to date): –€927,569 (2006–07),[158] –€20,787,469 (2007–08),[159] net income €6,582,489 (2008–09)[160] and net loss €10,967,944 (2009–10).[161] After an unaudited €43,411,481 net loss was recorded in the first nine months of 2010–11 season,[162] the BoD announced that a capital increase of €120 million was planned, scheduled to submit to the extraordinary shareholder's meeting in October.[163] Eventually, the 2010–11 season net loss was €95,414,019.[164] In the 2012–13 season Juventus continued to recover from recent seasons' net losses thanks to the biggest payment in Uefa's Champions League 2012–13 revenue distribution, earning €65.3 million. Despite being knocked out in the quarterfinal stage, Juventus took the lion's share thanks to the largesse of the Italian national TV market and the division of revenues with the only other Italian team attended at the competition's final phase, AC Milan.[165] Confirming the trend of marked improvement in net result, the 2013–14 financial year closed with a loss of €6.7 million but with the first positive operating income since 2006.[166] In the 2014–15 season, by the excellent sports results achieved (the fourth year in a row of Serie A titles, the tenth Coppa Italia title, and playing the Champions League Final), net income reached at €2.3 million. Compared to the loss of €6.7 million last year, 2014–15 shows a positive change of €9 million and returns to a profit after six years since 2008–09
That's fair enough but Madrid aren't keen on paying Raiola's fee now, why would they be incline to do so next seasson?
Edit: What @zain said.
My impression was that they can't sell to Madrid next season due to Madrid having a transfer ban...
We seem to have an agreement with both Raiola/Pogba and Juventus. Only two parties that have yet to agree seem to be Raiola and Juventus. I am not worried at all, the fat man gets what he wants.
I was just posting Pilib's opinions from his Periscope - they aren't mine.
Coupled with the fact that Madrid may have a transfer ban next season, so it'd possibly be 2 seasons before they can get him. Should Pogba decline in them two seasons, or he doesn't progress very much (very unlikely, but who knows) then he'd not be worth the €120m we're offering now.
I would image if Pogba stays they will need to give him a bumper contract which will cost them shed loads in wages, signing fee's and they have just pissed of his agent. Madrid will have a transfer ban, but if they aren't prepared to pay the money now why would they in a years time? One last run at yhe champions league sounds a bit like Leeds which was a gamble that failed miserably and that was only qualifying.
Anything this is possible if the owners bankroll the club for money they will never make back even if they win the champions league, which again would be a change in approach. They only made €3m euros last year (they only paid off €50k of debt) and before that they loss €7m, with the new players they have signed even of they offload a few their wage budget will have increased exponentially. They can't fill their home games, their commercial revenue is stagnant.
The issue is Juv. They are refusing to pay it and wanting us to pay. For all we care, Raiola could 50m but its Juv that should pay it, out of their fee.
Agents are such a fecking ball-ache these days and what warrants them to receive such ridiculous sums? It's just sickening.
They agreed when Pogba signed for them that he would get a % of the transfer fee when he moved else where.
I don't think that Juve thought for a moment that Pogba would sell for 120m euro making the agents fee so large.
The way the contract was worded though the agents money comes out of the transfer fee not a separate agents fee. We still have to pay the agent that but he's entitled to a % of the transfer.
So it's potentially now or never for a huge transfer fee? If Madrid get a ban next season, they could go for him in 2018 and get him on the super cheap, regardless of how he progresses between now and then.
Makes sense for them to cash in now when you think about it.
Excuse me, started my post withYou're making Juventus out to be an unethical club, let me guess what's next, they are involved in match fixing?
So if the assumption is correct than yes they are an unethical club, nothing to do with the match fixing (though their history does them no favours)
If the assumption is incorrect then whatever I wrote is invalid so your precious keeps her dignity.
Hope thats clear for you
It's fecked up but that's the game now, everyone will have to adjust to these overlord agents, which in turn becoming to be the pimps of the football world.
Agents suppose to broker deals and take care of their clients rights, but it seems like the opposite is happening when one transfer deal puts 25M in the fat fecks pocket.
It was a % of the future transfer. Juve never expected the fee to be so high when they agreed to it. Now they are balking at having to pay him such a large sum and want us to do it.
Raiola running out Pogba's contract and getting a huge sign-on bonus from a different club would be magnificent if this deal doesn't happen because of Juventus.
That doesn't stop signings, Barca had a transferban once and it was one of the windows they signed the most players, just didn't register them until January.
Wouldn't be hard to imagine something similar with Pogba, Juve keep him for now so they can have a CL with Pogba and Higauin, Dyabala and Pjanic and their amazing defence having the best chance in like forever to win it. Pogba has a great chance for CL win, Real got a year to gather enough funds. Real sign him in the summer but don't register him till January because of the transfer ban and loan him out for half a season to Juve.
Poll should be updated to do you want Pogba for 140 million euro's.
Agreed. We moan about how many young players these days have it all, they're spoilt rotten and can so easily get distracted from their profession, but these agents are one of the reasons why these youngsters have it all and have such fecking egos these days.
Agents look to gain the most beneficial deal financially first and foremost for their clients and themselves which is wrong. I feel United have gone the right way about capping salaries at a young age and the premier league along with other leagues should definitely follow suit.
It's 140m euros not £140m.
And a part of it is for Pogba.
Been out all day.
Juve have paid big to get Higuain.
If we pulled out of the Pogba transfer right now, could they afford the summer they have had?
Have they shown their hand to quickly?
Juve have paid big to get Higuain.
If we pulled out of the Pogba transfer right now, could they afford the summer they have had?
Have they shown their hand to quickly?
Yeah, your wage bill is to be commended.
United are just as bad as City/Chelsea for obscene wages.Can't we just give him Rojo as his agent fee, he cost us about €20 m.
Ninja edit Mr Hetfield
I'd give them an extra 20m if they take Rojo!
I'm sure i've read a couple of reports around twitter (Probably utter BS wrote by wannabe ITKs or journo's looking for clicks) that Zidane contacted Pogba and asked him to be patient and stay at Juventus until Real can come in for him.
I'm pretty sure thats utter crap but it's definitely something that Real would do to get a great player on the cheap if they know he has no intention of resigning with Juventus.
Under the new FIFA registration for Intermediaries (FIFA scrapped the old licencing system and introduced a new, more relaxed one) they recommend a 3% commission of any transfer fee or a player's gross income. This of course should not have been a recommendation but rather a strict regulative cap.
Only way that happens is if Pogba signs an extension with Juve. And it would definitely not be close to the sort of wages United are willing to offer right now.
In the scenario you posted, Real would only get the player to be able to play for them with a year and a half left on his contract. No way will they offer big money to Juve with so few months left on Pogba's contract.
If Juve want to make big bucks on him, it's now or never...
I was speaking in general aspects mainly but yeah it's still ridiculous
Yeah, your wage bill is to be commended.
I never commended our wages in general, I certainly don't agree with some of the amounts we are paying to players. I was referring to our youth salaries which are capped now so we won't be overpaying ridiculous amounts to such young players.
He could get him as a pony for his spoilt daughter. Based on the last 2 years he'd pass as one.
I'm still hoping this is just posturing and a show for the fans from Juve. That the deal is pretty much agreed which has seen them go and spend that money on Higuain, knowing the funds were incoming.
I'm probably absolutely miles off.
I'm probably absolutely miles off.