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Paul Pogba | Undergoing Medical | Helping out the Laundry Ladies
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Because they agreed to pay him 20% when they poached him away from us.
Juventus agreed to pay 20% of the transfer fee to Raiola when Pogba signed his contract with Juventus. Now, Juventus are trying to back out of the contract and say United should pay the 20% in ADDITION to Juventus' fee. There is literally no other transfer in history where the buying club has paid the selling club's sell-on fee. It makes no sense for United to pay when it's Juventus' obligation. What next? United start paying the Juve grounds people? United to start paying Juventus' bribes?
Going again tomorrow I assume. Do we think something concrete will actually come out soon?
There's been no information regarding the meeting(Raiola and Marotta) today, so we might see an update on that later.
Does it matter? We can afford it, they clearly cannot. We pay it and be sure to put it out there that Juve reneged on a contract they held with a player's agent and watch them struggle to sign players for the next decade.
It doesn't, because the deal isn't agreed. I said it demonstrates all parties are close to a settlement. I'm not offended by your opinion nor am I struggling in any way with the idea Pogba won't come. I'm fine either way. I am just completely bemused and puzzled by your logic and your manner of discussion. You continue to claim it clearly demonstrates stalling on the player's part but you fail to say how. I just went through the trouble of explaining my reasoning and you just reply by stating it shows the opposite, without any explanation. It's tiresome.
How often has the transfer record been broken for a player who was actually considered the best in the world at that particular moment in time?
Surely, however often the word is rolled out, 'potential' will always play a part in the most extortionate fees?
Surely, however often the word is rolled out, 'potential' will always play a part in the most extortionate fees?
What I've gotten out of these 651 pages so far is that if we dont sign Paul Pogba he wont be playing for us next season. Am I right?
CR7? Bought for 80m GBP coming fresh from a Ballon d'Or win.
It's amazing how Juve fans seem to think this recent news means he's coming to us while it is making us think it won't happen. 
So we are now expected to pay 140 mill,I feel like they are taking the piss. Pogba should be paying Riaola his 20 mill not us.
Fergie was right about this cretin.
Id actually love it if we gave them the 2 fingers with the take it or leave it offer.
Fergie was right about this cretin.
Id actually love it if we gave them the 2 fingers with the take it or leave it offer.
Indeed it should be the selling club paying the agent's fee. Juventus have already committed to the Higuain deal which is going to cost them a lot of money and they definitely need the proceeds from the Pogba sale to help ease the pain.
If they continue to play hardball with us, I would rather we work quietly behind the scenes to close the deals for our other options and tell Juventus to F%*k off.
My grandmother could have told you negotiations are ongoing
What I'm basically hoping is that he now has ears and eyes in this deal. If you see him say Pogba will join United, you better believe it's a sure thing!
oh the irony
Yes, you offered him more wages and took him away. Now it's our turn to do the same
I said on the player's side. Read my post. And you friggin well agree with me. The agent is stalling the process because his fee hasn't been agreed. One conclusion to that is United are playing serious hardball with Raiola given our history with him. A second, and entirely feasible alternative conclusion, is that they are stalling to see who else matches United's bid. Either conclusion doesn't exactly point to good relations between United and the Pogba camp now does it? It's not that hard to imagine them stalling for either reason. I'm equally bemused that I had to explain this to you in such detail.
If these recent reports are true I honestly wouldn't mind us just refusing to pay the agent fee because it sets a poor example going forward with future deals. We are in a position of power in terms of Juve have just spent a hell of a lot of money on Higuain and are more than likely relying on this deal going through. Biding our time and letting them sweat would be no problem for me and in the mean time perhaps test the water with other targets until they see sense and complete the deal.
Yes, you offered him more wages and took him away. Now it's our turn to do the same
I think the poster was referring to us poaching him from France to begin with.
Super obvious too.
The same Vidal thread lasted 2 summers though.
Every club does it's basically a moot point.
Except that would hugely back fire since Juve can easily afford it. Their not dumb y'know.
Yes, you offered him more wages and took him away. Now it's our turn to do the same
No I was laughing because United poached him from Le Havre in first place.
Yes but thats irrelevant, the poster brought it up to explain the 20% in the contract not complaining about the poaching
Can Juventus really sign Higuain without the transfer of Pogba? Where does it leave them if Pogba transfer breaks down?
Some people only think to pull out because they are not pro the deal anyway. That much is obvious. They are biased. This is a rare situation and not something that would set president. But the risk is we become a club that doesn't see deals through. So we can tap Bale up all we like, but unless we are willing to use our strength we're hampering ourselves and we can all pat ourselves on the back and talk about value. Someone linked the Berbatov thread earlier and one of the first posts was some plum (no offence), moaning about paying 30 Million for a 27 year old....it's a funny world. Some people just love to moan. Not sure what they are offering the discussion.
No transfer thread will ever trump the Thiago one. Him signing that football and the excitement from the Cafe that accompanied it was amazing.
They will somehow sell him to Real Madrid but for much cheaper.
If they spent their wad before getting it, time for Woodward to turn the screw.
According to some posters they have endless amounts of money , but no they 'd be in some trouble
yeh he has taken bloody forever to get his feet wet in this saga. His word is literally the Horse
Yes, you offered him more wages and took him away. Now it's our turn to do the same
Didn't Pogba leave because he wanted to play first team football and not be Rafael's replacement in midfield?
Sells on clauses are very common place. I think United have one with Zaha, so if Palace sell him United will get a cut of the transfer fee.
The Pogba situation is different because he wasn't bought from United, he was signed on a free transfer. The sell on clause is directly linked to the agent and not a club.
This would have been a key clause in Pogba's contract that Juventus agreed too.
They are duty bound to pay it if they sell Pogba and this has nothing to do with Manchester United at all.
Raiola will get a separate agent fee from United once the deal is completed.
No I don't agree. An agent not bending over to the selling club trying to get them to honour their agreement is not what I call stalling. Nor do I see any way that United are playing hardball with Raiola. We're playing hardball with Juventus, not Raiola. If Raiola figured he had the right to demand a bigger fee of United, he'd be meeting the club about it and not Juve. If anything it points to worsening relations between Juve and Pogba's camp. Your alternative scenario doesn't fit into this narrative and as such I don't consider it feasible at all. The only thing I can take away from this is that we have spectacularly differing opinions about it.
They claim so but I don't believe it for a second. Even if they could, it would be so unlike them it would be like North Korea having an open election.
We clearly do.
Jose's whiteboard comes close though. many eyes were strained that day.
Please post evidence of this - it's not that I disagree, I literally haven't seen any source say Juve are skint apart from people here.