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Do you want Pogba for £100 million?

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LonelyFire said:
Delaney is not necessarily a shite talker - there are far worse.

There is nothing wrong with he's saying about the 20m - of course Utd have the means (i.e. not prohibitive) but dont necessarily want to pay it all solely. It doesnt need to be one or the other.

As for Madrid - if Madrid were willing to pay the money, i think most would agree he would be going there so its not a reach to suggest he would rather join them.
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I agree. Delaney is just regurgitating what other reports have said over the last few days. No new info, and I don't even think that it's him confirming info from his own sources.

For example, this repeated claim about Pogba preferring Madrid. There is no quote from him about that, only reports--really just speculation--that has then been repeated enough that people take it is a fact, some even exaggerating it to the point where they think he's desperate for Madrid and doesn't want to come here at all. Sure, we can speculate on that. After all, they're defending CL champions, they have one of his footballing heroes as manager (for now), and they're overall in a stronger position than us. But that doesn't mean that's the only place he wants to play. I'd prefer a Lamborghini, but I'd still be pretty fecking happy if someone gave me a Ferrari instead, and I wouldn't be driving that Ferrari around longingly dreaming of some day having someone give me a Lamborghini to replace it.
 
Delaney is a classic ''pretend I'm in the loop by using informative language'' but doesn't say anything we don't already know.
 
YouOnlyLiveTwice said:
If Juve won't accept €120m and pay Raiola his share from that amount, then they can feck off.

There is a limit imo.
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I think it's at a point of who will blink first. Juve or Us. Either way someone will eventually blink and pay the pizza man his tip
 
Massive Spanner said:
BBC have confirmed Higuain > Juve

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36874091

I'm not sure it's a good thing that they've bought Higuain before we got Pogba.
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Depends on how you define a "good thing".

I am now 100% -certain- that they've sold Paul Pogba, else there's literally no way they'd be able to fund a move like this. They're not that rich.

the only question is whether it's to us or to Madrid, and for how much. I expect that it's to us.
 
Bestie07 said:
He is not staying at Juve, that much is pretty clear unless they decide to cash in on Bonucci. No way will they spend that much on a striker like Higuain otherwise. It's either us or Real for Pogba next season, most probably us.
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MiamiSpartan said:
So much of the blame over the agent fee seems to be falling on United for not paying it and/or Raiola for wanting it. But it's Juve are contracted to pay the 20% to Raiola, so they keep trying to up the required fee to cover it. Some papers keep saying that United has to work out the fee with Raiola, but if that were the case then Raiola wouldn't be reportedly meeting with Juve today. It really seems that Juve has been jerking us around, upping the fees every time we come close to agreeing. If we put together the various reports of the last week or so.....

United offer 100m Euros. Juve say it needs to be 120m.
United then offer 110m Euros + 10m bonuses. Juve says it needs to be 120m without bonuses.
United finally give in and offer 120m. Juve says, "Well, you agreed to that rather easily, so, umm, what we meant was 120m net to us after agent fees, so it's really 145m that you need pay."

United would seem to be rightly angered, and after getting yanked around like this, I wouldn't blame United for telling them to get lost. And maybe that is what it might take to conclude the deal one way or another. United may need to be truly willing to walk away in order to force Juve to decide if they can leave all that money on the table. If you're not willing to walk away from a deal, and the other side knows this, then you're going to get screwed on the price.
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Nothing to be angry about. Just leave the table and buy someone else.
 
There does have to be a point where we tell them to take it or leave it. Can't keep offering more and more money as it may have a knock on effect when it comes to future transfers
 
I'm not arsed about the actual cost of Pogba but Juve can get fecked if they're expecting us to pay Raiola's %. That would be mental.
 
FrenchRed said:
I'd have more respect for Ed if he pulled the plug on the deal now. All of this up to now does not make me think that Pogba really wants to come to us, and it'll just be hassle a few years down the line when he or his agent make noises to move to Madrid.
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He has to be prepared to walk away, otherwise Juve will keep bending us over.

It has nothing to do with Pogba, this is the respective parties negotiating teams and the agent. Pogba has agreed personal terms by all accounts.
 
Massive Spanner said:
BBC have confirmed Higuain > Juve

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36874091

I'm not sure it's a good thing that they've bought Higuain before we got Pogba.
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Yes that's my thoughts. If I was Moratta, I would have sold Pogba as quickly as possible, told the fans and then bring in Higuain the day after and announce it.

The way it's all panning out has me feeling a little suspicious.
 
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All based on the assumption that the following information is correct.

1/ Raiola + Juventus have a contract stating that Juventus have obligation to pay a 20% fee of any future transfer of Pogba.
2/ After preliminary agreement on fee between Man Utd and Juve, Juve then insist Man Utd pay agents fee

This is how it should be done.

1/ Man Utd in coordination with Raiola should have a legal binding document between themselves stating that both parties are in acknowledgement that Juve are essentially blackmailing Man Utd by attempting to invalidate the contract between Raiola and Juve re 20% fee.
2/ Man Utd should pay the agreed fee to Juventus and Raiola's 20% fee
3/ Use the legally binding document made between Man Utd + Raiola to sue the feck out of Juventus.
4/ Make sure that the legal case is dragged out in the public domain using ALL means neccessary to make it clear what type of underhanded club Juventus are and in the process destroying all notion of the 'romance' that the name Juventus once had.
5/ After winning the legal case against Juventus make it clear that Man Utd stand for freedom, honesty and integrity

And finally

Feck Juventus

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Oh and please have pity on a fellow n00b muppet, redcafe member and help me to the realms of manhood
 
We all know what happened the last time Juventus smashed their own transfer record. S Stay calm muppets, a few more days at most.
 
120 million € is a ridiculous amount of money for Pogba already, if they're not willing to accept that, then they can sell him to Real for 80 or 90 because after their spending this summer, I doubt they can afford to not unload Pogba.

We're setting a precedent for being a cow that can be milked at will.

If Pogba is not willing to push Juve for a move, then all the leverage we have is standing firm and seeing how desperate they are.
 
This is like buying a player from Levy. I wonder if United have a deadline for when they will switch targets. When discussing transfers in the press conference Mourinho was quite adamant about not leaving the fourth signing too late.
 
YouOnlyLiveTwice said:
If Juve won't accept €120m and pay Raiola his share from that amount, then they can feck off.

There is a limit imo.
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I agree. For that kind of dough we could buy a world class CM, a top CB, a RW to back up Mikhi and a top RB if Darmian goes.

The law of diminishing returns must kick in at some point. €145 for Pogba ain't good business.
 
settembrini said:
This is like buying a player from Levy. I wonder if United have a deadline for when they will switch targets. When discussing transfers in the press conference Mourinho was quite adamant about not leaving the fourth signing too late.
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switch targets? if Woodward doesn't pull this off it will haunt him for the rest of his career, he will never live it down from a PR p.o.v

Not only is the narrative that United want Pogba, it's that Mourinho is desperate to get him and United doing everything possible to make it the happen.
 
Red Bug said:
That applies to the media too. I'd wager that only Pogba, Raiola, Woodward, The Glazers, Moratti, Jose and Allegri are 100% in the know. Everyone else is just piecing stuff together or completely making up stories.
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You forgot acquire me on the in the know list
 
windycityfan said:
I agree. For that kind of dough we could buy a world class CM, a top CB, a RW to back up Mikhi and a top RB if Darmian goes.

The law of diminishing returns must kick in at some point. €145 for Pogba ain't good business.
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Which world class CM?
 
windycityfan said:
I agree. For that kind of dough we could buy a world class CM, a top CB, a RW to back up Mikhi and a top RB if Darmian goes.

The law of diminishing returns must kick in at some point. €145 for Pogba ain't good business.
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Name the world class midfielder, top CB, top right back, and winger we could buy.
 
mu4c_20le said:
We all know what happened the last time Juventus smashed their own transfer record. S Stay calm muppets, a few more days at most.
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The player they smashed their transfer record with was Nedved, who was also a Raiola player. :D
 
Tiber said:
switch targets? if Woodward doesn't pull this off it will haunt him for the rest of his career, he will never live it down from a PR p.o.v
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He tried for Bale, Neymar, Muller, etc. All failed. Pogba will just be another name to add to the list. No big deal.

For the record I think the deal is definitely done.
What are the odds like now, at bookmakers - are they still taking bets?
 
imamuppet said:
** repeat **

All based on the assumption that the following information is correct.

1/ Raiola + Juventus have a contract stating that Juventus have obligation to pay a 20% fee of any future transfer of Pogba.
2/ After preliminary agreement on fee between Man Utd and Juve, Juve then insist Man Utd pay agents fee

This is how it should be done.

1/ Man Utd in coordination with Raiola should have a legal binding document between themselves stating that both parties are in acknowledgement that Juve are essentially blackmailing Man Utd by attempting to invalidate the contract between Raiola and Juve re 20% fee.
2/ Man Utd should pay the agreed fee to Juventus and Raiola's 20% fee
3/ Use the legally binding document made between Man Utd + Raiola to sue the feck out of Juventus.
4/ Make sure that the legal case is dragged out in the public domain using ALL means neccessary to make it clear what type of underhanded club Juventus are and in the process destroying all notion of the 'romance' that the name Juventus once had.
5/ After winning the legal case against Juventus make it clear that Man Utd stand for freedom, honesty and integrity

And finally

Feck Juventus

** EDIT **
Oh and please have pity on a fellow n00b muppet, redcafe member and help me to the realms of manhood
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You're making Juventus out to be an unethical club, let me guess what's next, they are involved in match fixing? :rolleyes:
 
sunama said:
He tried for Bale, Neymar, Muller, etc. All failed. Pogba will just be another name to add to the list. No big deal.

For the record I think the deal is definitely done.
What are the odds like now, at bookmakers - are they still taking bets?
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Yes he tried for those but none of them ever looked likely.

Now the narrative for the biggest deal of all has been that United are on the verge of signing Pogba and smashing the world record to do it. I think he get it done, but if this deal doesn't go through the narrative will be that Woodward fecked it up and his reputation for screwing up big deals will be cemented for ever
 
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