Paul Pogba | Undergoing Medical | Helping out the Laundry Ladies
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"You guys"?
You're just as culpable as anybody now, don't try and play the innocent by-stander.
But it doesn't mean that they can only have loans from Spanish banks, it just means that they will have normal deals with the others. I mean, it's simple to understand.
Edit: And Real Madrid can afford those normal deals.
This 'saga' is causing too many petty arguments. The levels of frustration and impatience on here atm are unreal.
It doesn't help when a good portion of posters say it's a done deal and it was wrapped up weeks ago when there are reports of Madrid coming in to it.
I think it's safe to say the caf is in a meltdown.
It doesn't help when a good portion of posters say it's a done deal and it was wrapped up weeks ago when there are reports of Madrid coming in to it.
I think it's safe to say the caf is in a meltdown.
They won't "confirm the Higuain deal" without the Pogba deal being signed!!! Why does no one else understand this!!???
L'Equipe
http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2016/juventus-position-themselves-for-blaise-matuidi/
Kinda feel L'Equipe hurt themselves with such an early "deal done" report, but they are still reliable enough.
http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2016/juventus-position-themselves-for-blaise-matuidi/
Kinda feel L'Equipe hurt themselves with such an early "deal done" report, but they are still reliable enough.
We should get both just to feck them over.
They won't "confirm the Higuain deal" without the Pogba deal being signed!!! Why does no one else understand this!!???
why coz you have said so ?
considering its been reported hes had a medical and should be wrapped up within the next 24 hours i cant see the Pogba deal being done by then can you ?
They didn't say that it was done though, they said that an agreement was in place between the clubs and the player.
Ok. Pogba is a very good player. Is he worth this money? I don't think so. If Juv is dragging their feet over this deal, I would move on. With the price quoted, we can buy 2-3 player of similar level e.g. RW, CB and MF. Stop wasting time and get it done else move on.
They won't "confirm the Higuain deal" without the Pogba deal being signed!!! Why does no one else understand this!!???
That's most likely the reason why Higuain isn't expected at Juventus until next monday.
Can't imagine that it would take them that long to activate the release clause (considering that it is due to expire if i reckon correctly) and since the've already agreed personal terms with the player and performed his medical they're now just waiting for the end of Pogba negotiations.
May it be one way or another, Juve will have an interest in solving this situation as soon as possible in order to allow their team a valid pre-season.
I would disagree because it's all related to the club balance sheet understanding by the bank and those do not translate well in a financial statements for football clubs. This is why a local bank would be more inclined to deal with you. Right now, with all the capital and liquidity regulations, no bank would be interested in doing a deal to help a club, let's not fool ourselves here. Either you raise cash yourself or you have "bad" terms. And I simply believe Real is not ready to have those bad terms. Again I am waiting to see the next big transfer for Madrid, with no player sale before. It might not happen anytime soon.
I am sure Woodward and Mourinho know if the Pogba deal is on or not. Just because they haven't informed us muppets yet doesn't mean we aren't getting him.
I'm not sure this is right. It's been reported, e.g. Swiss Ramble, that Barcelona relied on political intervention to guarantee their bank loans (effectively, Barca did not meet the terms of repayment on existing debt, however political influence has meant this issue has been overlooked by banks). So there is precedent that political intervention occurs in regards to Spanish football debt.
There have also been reports about political interventions to enable Real to take out loans to fund the Bale acquisition, e.g. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...gated-for-illegal-state-backing-say-MEPs.html. I don't know what the outcome of the investigation mentioned in this report was, or whether it is even concluded, but the report suggests that Real lack sufficient assets, or even promises of future income (which have already been used to guarantee other loans, according to Swiss Ramble), against which to guarantee significant new debt.
There have also been recent reports about the state aid given to Real by way of land deals: http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-2401_en.htm. So not specifically about helping to support them to guarantee new loans, but it is another example of political support aiding Spanish clubs financially.
I would say that all football clubs seem to use smoke and mirrors to distort their financial positions, so it's very difficult to say one way or the other. But the evidence over the past few years, not all of which I have listed here, and I'm not also not including the specific story @Gasolin mentioned about a current investigation into political influence over banks with regards Real Madrid loans (I don't know anything about that), suggests that Real don't have much borrowing ability remaining, and already rely on political intervention to guarantee existing debt, never-mind future debt.
Everybody has said this but which MF of similar quality/potential could we acquire, while still having money left over to spend on a quality cb and RW?
It's like Groundhog Day, it really is. We should have just signed a few Joe Allens for £60m, that would have kept our RedCafe accountants happy.
Because they are not stupid. They can't afford to buy Higuain without selling Pogba therefore if they buy Higuain first they lose all negotiating power on closing the Pogba deal, either to us or whoever. If the Higuain deal is confirmed then that means that the Pogba deal (to us or whoever) is also done, whether it's been announced or not. IMO.
I put an article from a French magazine that explains why the valuation is still rationale.
I hear what you are saying.
But since the Di Maria affair, I think many on here have on their minds that we may get an absolute top class attacker (in FiFA XI) team, who joins us because Madrid don't want him.
Then a year later, he gets himself a transfer to another team.
Also, because Madrid have taken Ronaldo (previously) and attempted to take DDG (and failed because of a FAX machine error), many on here are scared of Madrid.
Pogba may well arrive this season, but what if he gets a better offer next season to go to another team?
Rooney is playing in the middle, get used to it.
They are always going to sell players because they have a limited amount of players registrable, so you will wait forever.
"Pogba's worth"
"If it doesn't happen in X number of days it's off"
There is no point arguing about SUBJECTIVE BS. We have no control over the club.
"If it doesn't happen in X number of days it's off"
There is no point arguing about SUBJECTIVE BS. We have no control over the club.
No he's right, we could have Mane, Wijnaldum and Stones for that money
That's the only purpose of a forum.
Last season I felt that Morgan was invisible for most games.
The term "silent domination" was mentioned, but I don't particularly like players who barely touch the ball and who go through a 90 minute game, without putting themselves about.
At Southampton he was in a 6th place team (I think). And last season we finished 5th. So maybe Morgan's level is not at the very top. Maybe it is in a top 5/6 placed team.
He is tall and athletic, which is exactly how Jose likes his midfielders to be. We shall wait and see what Jose does with him.
On the subject of midfielders: Bastian, for me, was never invisible and is definitely good enough to play in a title/CL winning side. But, his problem is his poor injury record over the last few years.
No he's right, we could have Mane, Wijnaldum and Stones for that money
what you mean the ones who are at Liverpool?
He slowed our play down too much, whether that was intentional on orders from LVG or whether its because he's not up to the cut and thrust pace of the PL is another debate
In the absence of any updates yesterday, in the Independent they published an article that was about the articles that journalists had written about this story
I have a muppet feeling that we will have some news by tonight on Pogba. Ed's back. Mino's chilling. Marotta actually went to his office last night. Hoping he got Ed's fax.
I can't see Pogba being announced before Higuain is. Juve have been posturing for a while, so to appease their fans, they'd surely have to sign Higuain first.
This is great. Hope it's been sold to him like this!!!
Oh god no don't bring up this old discussion again..
The only media attempting to report that there's problems with negotiations are the Spanish press..which should tell you something.
The only thing paralysed about all this is the media coverage due to the delay of the announcement.
The only thing paralysed about all this is the media coverage due to the delay of the announcement.
Or release the bombshell of Pogba leaving first, and then immediately calm the hysteria by announcing Higuain after. Not sure they want their last bit of business to be their star player leaving.
Exactly.... If the reports about him waiting for Madrid are true, then we should just forget about him and move to our next targets. We shouldn't sign a player who's heart lies with another club. Even if we sign him this summer, what guarantee do we have that he won't be forcing for a move to Madrid next summer. I am not sure about him staying with us for more than 2-3 years, especially him having Raiola as his agent. He is 23 now and he is not even near world class at the moment. The reason why we are paying a crazy crazy amount of money for him is because he has the potential to develop into a world class player. But even if he does fulfill his potentials and become a world class player, it will take at least 2-3 years for him to reach his prime. And by then, he and his agent will be all over us forcing a move to Real. So, what is the point of buying him for such an absurd amount when we know that the players heart lies with another club and most probably will leave us sooner or later?
And what if he fails to fulfill his potentials and never reaches the heights we are expecting? Then we over paid a huge sum of 80 millions on an average/above average player. Yes, i know that every signings has it's own risks and nobody knows about the future. But when you are spending an absurd sum of 120-140 million on a single player, you better make sure that he really wants to join you and he will stay with you for a very long time. In case of Pogba, if we are signing him for the reported amount, we should get his service for at least 5-6 years.
In short, after going through all these reports, i won't be disappointed if we don't get Pogba. I would rather prefer us to sign Kroos (70m) and Matuidi (30m) OR James (60m) and Matuidi (30m) plus another CB (30-40m) and we are good to go.
Lots of 'feelings' in this thread. Don't let them spill over guys
Just a quick example:
30-35m for Matuidi (CM - box-to-box)
20-25m for Fabinho (RB)
40-50m for Mahrez, Yannick Ferreira Carrasco (release clause at about €40m) etc. (Winger)
5-15m for a decent and experienced back-up CB (maybe Williams from the Swans?)
That's only a quick example but it clearly shows that there're possibilities to split the Pogba money on more signings, thus, enhancing our squad as a whole way more.
Nevertheless, I'd prefer signing Pogba and then selling a bunch of our deadwood (Rojo, Young, Basti, Fellaini, Jones) to fund the acquisition of a decent CB and maybe another back-up signing - I simply doubt that we will land Pogba though. Hopefully Woody and Mou prove me wrong...
i was mainly referring to those two quotes that flood this thread. Probably should have said "this kind of subjective BS"
For the millionth time, we don't need another 4 or 5 "decent" players to pad out the squad, we need a huge signing of a proper world class (or semi-world class) player to elevate the whole squad.
People seem to think signing about 8 players in a summer is a good idea to build a team with We'll spend about 6 chaotic months trying to blend them together and just end up being too far behind anyway.
People seem to think signing about 8 players in a summer is a good idea to build a team with
We'll spend about 6 chaotic months trying to blend them together and just end up being too far behind anyway.