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Do you want Pogba for £100 million?

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fatboy said:
Well to be fair, Juve themselves just paid out 94mil themselves for a 28 year old striker who was surplus to Real just a few years ago. They probably know they're overpaying quite a bit too, but maybe that's what they feel they need to do to win the CL.

I guess in the same way, we're desperate to get back into the game too. Pogba will improve our chances of winning the league a fair bit, and maybe we need to suck it up just this once.

Of course there is ultimately a limit we will not exceed, but Juve probably knows this too. And I think 120+mil is probably the most they can squeeze from us without breaking the deal.
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Absolutely. I dont know where it is. But if what Juve are asking is on the other side of the line, I can live with it. The fact that Juve have just spunked a massive amount of money on a player shouldnt mean we feel pressured into doing it. On the contrary, maybe if this is all about brinksmanship this gives us a little of the leverage back. As much as they say they dont need the Pogba money to pay for their transfers, maybe if they sincerely think we will walk away they will relent.

I am not interested in putting a figure on what we should pay, or his fair value. But in the context of the numbers being thrown around, if we walk away I wont be overly disappointed. Mourinho said he had suggested a few options in each position, if we pursue someone else that's fine with me. I also think we have midfielders who are much better than they have shown for us (Herrera, Schneiderlin) and we dont necessarily need Pogba to challenge for the league.
 
Its not gonna happen. It would have been done by now. He is going to Madrid I think.
 
Summit said:
Eh? You were drooling over a tweet that Pogba has agreed terms. He did this apparently a couple of weeks ago. Just same rehashed shite again.
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i assumed Riaola agreeing pogba's deal/part included his deal because the remaining "juve deal" did not include Riaola's fee.
 
Sparky Rhiwabon said:
Could have agreed terms in principle - with all parties (Juve, Pogba, Raiola) but not yet signed off because Pogba is still hoping that Real can scrape together the funds (probably needs them to sell James or another player)
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I think it is all done and dusted but as per the Bale to Madrid deal, Juve want time to get there replacements in BEFORE the big sale. The way the market is, any selling club will push up the price if they know Juve have £100m burning a hole in their ar$e pocket. Its all PR isn't it? The announce Higuian with a big fan fare, whilst quietly Pogba slips out the back door. Keeps fans and sponsors onside.
 
Rooney24 said:
Its not gonna happen. It would have been done by now. He is going to Madrid I think.
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We haven't even come back from China yet for god sake, people repeating all this crap is so annoying.

If it's not been announced by the time we go to Sweden then yes I will agree it's not looking good.
 
Rory 7 said:
Signed for city. Not sure I agree with the idea that Pogba was the catalyst for Juve's dominance of Italian football. Buffon breaking the clean sheet record last season for example was a huge part of their story. The previous year Tevez was on fire.
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No one knows the future but Pogba has the potential to be the new Zidane, Gundogan, although a very good box to box player, has had a bad injury record. Mourinhio teams are usually quite good with injury records, Guardiola's recent teams have not been. Take Thiago Alacantra for example. Guardiola blamed his medical staff for such problems but I think his training methods and style of play causes more injuries.
 
Rado_N said:
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Rooney24 said:
Its not gonna happen. It would have been done by now. He is going to Madrid I think.
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We're in China and Pogba is in Miami, even if fee's/wages are indeed agreed it wont go through until he's back and took a medical anyway.
 
WPMUFC said:
i assumed Riaola agreeing pogba's deal/part included his deal because the remaining "juve deal" did not include Riaola's fee.
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The only thing the various outlets have been consistent about is that we've agreed a deal with Pogba, i.e. his contract/ wages.

Other than that, the various outlets have been yoyo-ing between saying the agent fees need sorting, and the transfer fee to Juve needs sorting. I suspect we'll hear one or the other needs sorting before he suddenly signs one fine day, is decked out in United gear and gives an interview in which he's talking about how it was his dream to return and he never really wanted to leave in the first place!

:)
 
This thread seems like GroundPog day, the same cycle just repeats itself. The only thing that will break the cycle will be Juve confirming the deal.
 
devilish said:
It is very relevant. First of all because it hits Paul Scholes as a supporter. The club he loves has lost a player with great potential because he wasn't given space in our team. Paul Scholes may wonder if Pogba would have still left if he remained in retirement + he would be furious with the boy for not fighting for his first team place (these are people who think that Manchester United is the centre of the universe and that anything beyond not succeeding there is a failure).

It also hits him as a SAF's loyal disciple. Believe it or not, PS is SAF's most loyal disciple. Unlike Giggs and Gaz Paul Scholes didn't had any agents. When Moratti enquired about the guy, he ended up speaking with SAF who told him to stick his offer in an inappropriate place. Paul Pogba is the living embodiment of SAF's rare but biggest feckup. We're actually buying our talent back for 100m because the manager (Paul Scholes idol) preferred to stick to his golden oldies (which also include PS) than to this kid. For us, its not really that bad to admit that SAF messed up. He's the single most important person in this club's history but he's still human after all. However these people owe everything to the man, he made them the stars they are now and lead them to multiple victories. Basically they owe him everything and they can't stomach that he might have messed up big time.

Finally it challenges the very concept of the United way. The class of 92 have this romantic view of that period and think that United were lead by some knight in shining armour who would rather lose trophies then not giving youths a chance. Its unthinkable for them that SAF would rather lose a top quality but inexperienced talent and rely on his old guard just to end his career on high. This mentality is ironically highlighted by the Keano-SAF spat which is brilliantly described in one of SAF's books. At one point, Keane looked at SAF and told him that he had changed and he wasn't the man Keano idolised anymore. SAF admitted that he had to change else he wouldn't keep on winning. That is something I believe that the class of 92 have yet to fully comprehend. The SAF who gave them their shot wasn't the same SAF's of Pogba's time.
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Wow. Good post.
 
I have forgotten how funny twitter can be, one nobody runs with a story then thousands of other nobody's retweet it! Anyway I'm hoping the Wednesday tweet will be reliable as I'm going insane reading the same stories that haven't moved anywhere for over a week now. I do find it strange that Ed and Pogbas agent aren't in Italy
 
gulli_G said:
No one knows the future but Pogba has the potential to be the new Zidane, Gundogan, although a very good box to box player, has had a bad injury record. Mourinhio teams are usually quite good with injury records, Guardiola's recent teams have not been. Take Thiago Alacantra for example. Guardiola blamed his medical staff for such problems but I think his training methods and style of play causes more injuries.
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So essentially we are betting 100m on potential? There's just something about re-signing this guy that doesn't sit well with me. And I much prefer box-to-box style midfielders anyway. It seems like people have already found excuses for Pogba not performing when played 'out of position'. If he was all that he would have done much better for France at the euros. I really think this guy is massively overrated.
 
gulli_G said:
This thread seems like GroundPog day, the same cycle just repeats itself. The only thing that will break the cycle will be Juve confirming the deal.
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Let's hope Wednesday is indeed the day he signs for us so can all move on.

I suspect a few will need to go in to some type of counselling after what has happened over the last 7-10 days.
 
well at least we know why Madrid are out of the race. Finally people will end their daily "madrid panic" routine.
 
Rory 7 said:
So essentially we are betting 100m on potential? There's just something about re-signing this guy that doesn't sit well with me. And I much prefer box-to-box style midfielders anyway. It seems like people have already found excuses for Pogba not performing when played 'out of position'. If he was all that he would have done much better for France at the euros. I really think this guy is massively overrated.
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Trust me you will never see the good side of this deal so it's not worth it.
 
gulli_G said:
This thread seems like GroundPog day, the same cycle just repeats itself. .
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I'm curious. For those who followed the Vidal thread, was it similar?
Or is this Pogba deal/thread at a more advanced stage?
 
Really need some information that the fee has been agreed today or tomorrow because It has gotten to that stage where I can't be bother checking every half hour.
 
Striker10 said:
Trust me you will never see the good side of this deal so it's not worth it.
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As I said I'll see the good side if we sign him and he turns out as all of you guys expect. I'll be delighted if he does. I want us back on top too. I just don't see it today. And what's more I still don't think he'll sign for us.
 
sunama said:
I'm curious. For those who followed the Vidal thread, was it similar?
Or is this Pogba deal/thread at a more advanced stage?
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This one is far more advanced. Di Marzio deleted one tweet about United and City being interested in vidal, but after that he never said a bean.
 
sunama said:
I'm curious. For those who followed the Vidal thread, was it similar?
Or is this Pogba deal/thread at a more advanced stage?
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Not similar, Vidal thread had Forensic analysis, lip reading, all sorts, Olly was on fire.
 
sunama said:
I'm curious. For those who followed the Vidal thread, was it similar?
Or is this Pogba deal/thread at a more advanced stage?
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Way more advanced. We never reached the stage of these details (agent fees, transfer fees, seeing Juve going on a buying spree etc) with Vidal.
 
DanClancy said:
Look at Juve's accounts, they can't afford to buy Higuain without selling Pogba first. They are a well run club but they can't afford to buy a player for nearly 100m euro's without selling first. They only made a profit in their last accounts because they made a good profit on player sales, wages to turnover is at 66% which is likely to increase again in the 2015/16 accounts.

Juve fans can say what they want but they simply are not in a financial position to sign Higuain whilst keeping Pogba.
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Yes, but the Higuain deal has not been finalised yet and won't be unless Pogba is sold. Given the choice I'm sure they would prefer to keep Pogba and not buy Higuain.
 
SteveJ said:
Alternatively, Scholes is emblematic of the kind of senior United player who always thinks he knows best...partly because SAF mistakenly viewed their pithiness as plain-speaking common sense when it was often sheer arrogance and self-righteousness. Note that Scholes is swift to imply that Pogba leaving was about money, and omits to mention the specific elephant in the room: Scholes and co taking Pogba's place in the team and so stunting the player's development. These senior players love to play the worldly and selfless mentor but they're all too often about self-interest.
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Good post, Scholes was my favourite modern day player, but he annoys the feck out of me as a pundit. Couldn't get a feckin word out of him for twenty years, now all of a sudden he's come down with chronic verbal diarrhoea.
 
The Vidal thread was funny and reached its numbers organically. This thread has been a shitty spamfest with a large number of posts being just about the post count. It doesn't even deserve to be compared.
 
jojose said:
I think it is all done and dusted but as per the Bale to Madrid deal, Juve want time to get there replacements in BEFORE the big sale. The way the market is, any selling club will push up the price if they know Juve have £100m burning a hole in their ar$e pocket. Its all PR isn't it? The announce Higuian with a big fan fare, whilst quietly Pogba slips out the back door. Keeps fans and sponsors onside.
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Yeah, hopefully that's the case, and it does make sense.
 
Rado_N said:
The Vidal thread was funny and reached its numbers organically. This thread has been a shitty spamfest with a large number of posts being just about the post count. It doesn't even deserve to be compared.
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I'd like to see this thread closed and a new one opened just so I don't have to wade through 50 posts about how many posts there are every time I visit to see if anything new is happening. But then, I'm a cantankerous git at the best of times.
 
Rado_N said:
The Vidal thread was funny and reached its numbers organically. This thread has been a shitty spamfest with a large number of posts being just about the post count. It doesn't even deserve to be compared.
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This.

And I would say a plethora of posts are:
1. Tweets that confirm what we had known weeks ago.
2. Subsequent reactions to those rehashed tweets as if it was brand new information.

This thread is definitely missing some Olly magic.
 
Regarding marketability.

United is trying to brand themselves as the biggest club in the world.

Every new signing is told to drum that message around. Whenever Woody talk about the club he almost always mention "the biggest club", "hundred millions of followers" or a "huge fanbase". I assume it's the clubs strategy to use these lines to sell the club and strengthen our brand.

In this context it makes sense for the club to buy the most expensive player in the world. Being the best footballer player is subjective based on opinion but being the most expensive is allways a fact based on numbers.

If we buy Pogba for a world record fee then we will use this fact as a selling argument to our partners and sponsors. United don't buy any player, we buy the most expensive players. This is important for the marketing people and it will help them/us to spread the word "biggest club". That will in the long run help us to attract future prospects, new sponsors and to remain at the top.

When the deal is finalized the headlines will be something like "United buy Pogba for a record fee" or "United first to pay €100m+". These headlines alone is worth a fortune. That's one of the reasons I think that Woodward and the Glazers are almost happy to pay this insane amount of money for a football player.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
I'd like to see this thread closed and a new one opened just so I don't have to wade through 50 posts about how many posts there are every time I visit to see if anything new is happening. But then, I'm a cantankerous git at the best of times.
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They aren't as bad as the posts for people who think they're the club's accountants telling us we can't afford it or stating that we should buy sissoko or something instead because that would be cheaper, I mean that sort of thing must be nearly half the post count in here.
Or the random tweets by people who've made a few lucky guesses pretending to have some sort of idea what's going on.
 
7even said:
Regarding marketability.

United is trying to brand themselves as the biggest club in the world.

Every new signing is told to drum that message around. Whenever Woody talk about the club he almost always mention "the biggest club", "hundred millions of followers" or a "huge fanbase". I assume it's the clubs strategy to use these lines to sell the club and strengthen our brand.

In this context it makes sense for the club to buy the most expensive player in the world. Being the best footballer player is subjective based on opinion but being the most expensive is allways a fact based on numbers.

If we buy Pogba for a world record fee then we will use this fact as a selling argument to our partners and sponsors. United don't buy any player, we buy the most expensive players. This is important for the marketing people and it will help them/us to spread the word "biggest club". That will in the long run help us to attract future prospects, new sponsors and to remain at the top.

When the deal is finalized the headlines will be something like "United buy Pogba for a record fee" or "United first to pay €100m+". These headlines alone is worth a fortune. That's one of the reasons I think that Woodward and the Glazers are almost happy to pay this insane amount of money for a football player.
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Yes, as long as people agree the player bought was worth the sum paid. There will always be differences of opinion on that, but people need to broadly feel it worked out. Otherwise the perception is the club was fleeced, which is counterproductive from a marketing perspective.
 
Btw. Scholes was a unique player in his days but as a pundit his opinions are more or less yesterday's news. Negative, bitter and out of touch with the real world. Move on Paul! Let it go.
 
Fecking hell just sign someone so the muppets can expel thou protein produce unto thou linens. This saga is driving me so insane that I'm losing the power of word thingy.
 
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