Well it's a clusterfeck of nonsense, whichever way it's looked at and it's one of the reasons why these Pogba threads invariably go down the toilet in circular arguments ad nauseum.
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This pogba thread is quite different to the old one which just went on and on about the reasons why he left and how badly we fecked up. This one isn't half as bad, there are the odd over the top posts but that's the case in most threads. As I said, if someone calls him the best CM in the world, it will be pointed out as nonsense. No one's going to bother classifying CMs into their roles and then taking it from there.
Modric is 30 and at his absolute peak. Pogba is 23 so still not the finished article. At 23 Modric had just joined Spurs. He was very good in the Premier League but never considered among the best in world in his position in his four years at Spurs. He was never voted into the PFA team of the year by his fellow pros and there were plenty of United fan naysayers every time we were linked with him, for example.
Agreed. This thread isn't actually that bad. There's not even that much nonsense here and it wouldn't be a forum if there wasn't a regular doze of that in every thread.
A bit of knee jerk reaction is always the case in these player performance threads. See how De Bruyne was called average by a few in his thread after one poor game. But like I've said, you'll get a few over the top comments in every players thread. Every single poster cant be rational.
Pogba should be compared to Yaya Touré and he could be as good as Touré in his prime which is a very high level but because of his weaknesses Touré have never been close to be the best midfielder, attacking midfielder or Player in the world. Personally I think that Pogba is going to follow the same path, he is going to develop into a world class player but not the best player or midfielder in the world.
He's a bit of a Nani atm. All the talent in the world, always capable of moments to win the game, still needs to learn how to control a game for 90 minutes. I'm sure it will come though if he stays fit and keeps working hard.
That should be the basis of any objective discussion, otherwise it's pointless. Just a set of strawmen being knocked down like skittles.
Difference is he's a lot better stamina than Touré, and a higher workrate. Maybe slightly pacier too. He ought to go on to be the better player but he's still a way to go.
Yes Yaya and the like are what he should be compared to, not controlling midfielders who sit deeper and have a completely different role in a team.
Pogba's potential is through the roof and it will be intriguing to see what he ends up doing with it.
Has Thiago played well for Bayern ever since he moved? Seems like there has;t been much news about him.
A fitter Yaya is possibly the best midfielder in the world though.
It's tough, because he's great at what he does, but a lot of that is tricks and long passes. That's great when you're being creative and all, but if it were possible, I'd prefer a player more in the Scholes mould for our proper MF position, someone who can run the game from there like Iniesta, Kroos, Modric etc.
He's a great player though, and I don't think any of the above are available at any price. Ironically though, the team with Kroos, Modric (and Isco) in their existing team, seem to want Pogba. Perhaps we could persuade them to give us one of theirs once they sign him?
He's a great player though, and I don't think any of the above are available at any price. Ironically though, the team with Kroos, Modric (and Isco) in their existing team, seem to want Pogba. Perhaps we could persuade them to give us one of theirs once they sign him?
Not really, go watch young Yaya Touré, stamina, workrate and pace weren't a problem.
No one player can control a game on his own. This is spouted in every single thread yet it's complete nonsense. A team can control a game from start to finish, and to do that, every player needs to perform to a high level.
Have a look at Barcelona over the years, they have managed to dictate the pace and control most of their matches. Their midfield trio all have to perform to be able to do that. It isn't Xavi by himself, or Iniesta or Busquets. For us, Scholes didn't control games on his own either yet I hear that a lot. It's a team effort.
Gerrard couldn't control a game. Scholes, Keane, Pirlo, Xavi, Iniesta, Alonso etc can / could. Atm Pogba plays more like Gerrard but there's no reason why he can't change that with the right coaching and application.
No, it's not. For top teams the best midfielders are the ones that can control the tempo of the game. Yaya Touré and Pogba are only great if their teammates control the midfield otherwise they add to the general mess.
And Barcelona got rid of Yaya Touré.
Yes, but if you start with he's the best CM in the world, you start off with the wrong foot and it will be pointed out as such. If you want to compare him with players of his ilk, do so, instead of saying he's simply the best CM around.
I dunno about that, he might have played a bit within himself at Barca but Touré showed he could play a team game. It's just that he couldn't often come up with the magic to win games playing like that. I reckon Pogba might be capable of putting the two together. Remains to be seen.
Obviously they can play a team game, they are both really good players but we are talking about the absolute top level.
Both absolutely spot the feck on.
Because you don't think he's worth a world record fee or the best mid in the world, we're all Pogba haters!
I actually haven't seen anyone doubt his talent.
Seriously. Wtf.
Bring back the Pog.
Beast mode tonight.
If the plan is to play an orthodox three man midfield, with two players to cover him, Pogba will be a great buy. If we have a Matuidi and a Kante or a Khedira and Marchisio, which will free him up, he could be every bit as effective for us as Lampard was for Mou's Chelsea. I worry though, if Mou uses Rooney as a #10, that Pogba's tendency to focus on attacking might leave us overextended as times. We've seen the same with Yaya Toure at City, especially in Europe. Pogba's many things but, as Rio and Henry discussed before the Switzerland vs France game, he's not Viera mark 2. Nor will he be unless he really wants to shift the emphasis of his game away from attacking.
Done well so far.
He's in the zone tonight
Playing well tonight, personally I'd have him back at United, couldn't give a feck what he costs.
Someone buy him a decent set of boots, he cant stay on his feet with the ones he has on.
Performances like tonight are why he'll end up at Madrid.
Is he really good enough to command a world record fee? Not for me, plays in patches which has been the case everything I've seen him
Happy to get him for £60m though
Happy to get him for £60m though
Aye, 60mill type talent, at the 80-100mill Juve are asking i'd leave well alone, personally.
He looks fantastic tonight. I agree.
Different class tonight as opposed to the first 2 games.
What difference would an extra 20m make to United?
He looks like a beast out there, determined to silence his critics. The best player on the pitch, i would give my left nut to have him, but sadly he is the kind of signing only Madrid and Barca make.
None, which is why I fully expect us to pay it if he is willing to make the move.
I read yesterday that Juventus want €160M off Madrid for him. Mental.
I would happily pay 60-70m Sterling for this guy, he is a dominant midfielder and he is still quite young. But I'm afraid he is more tempted by Real and also that Real can spend more money than us as they have shown with Bale and Ronaldo.
Not too much but I dont think it would be just 80.
We'd realistically be paying a world record 90mill+ with Riolas agent fees etc included for him.