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Well if he does go to Real, would this then make Kroos available? I don't see Modric leaving, and that Casimerio lad has been playing regularly, so you'd think Kroos would be the one dropped, and if that's the case then we should be all over it. Pogba back at united would be great, but he's not we need right now, and he probably feels the same about us.
 
Cassidy said:
I am guessing we are one of them tbh, although I expect him to go to Real.
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Shark said:
He's going to Madrid, it's blatantly obvious imo.
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Di Maria's angel said:
I'd be very happy with Kroos (assuming we're interested). At 26, and as CM, you'd expect him to be approaching his "peak years". He'd be a fantastic acquisition.
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Relfy said:
Well if he does go to Real, would this then make Kroos available? I don't see Modric leaving, and that Casimerio lad has been playing regularly, so you'd think Kroos would be the one dropped, and if that's the case then we should be all over it. Pogba back at united would be great, but he's not we need right now, and he probably feels the same about us.
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I'm pretty sure Pogba will end up at Real, that move makes sense for all parties, I hope are looking at Toni Kroos as he will be the one to make room.
Modric isnt going anywhere.
 
I'd rather Toni Kroos than Pogba if I'm honest.

Not convinced Pogba is better than him.
 
Shark said:
He's going to Madrid, it's blatantly obvious imo.
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Wouldn't be so sure, these quotes are quite interesting;

However, he needs to choose a project, not a coach, as coaches come and go. Pogba's interest is not in being the most expensive signing and neither is it mine.
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"The aim is for him to join the best sporting project and win as many titles as possible. We are talking with three teams and Paul likes the sporting projects of some of those."
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@AltiUn I had the same thought when I first read that but then I thought about it and read it again and decided it was just about not wanting to weaken their hand by appearing too keen to join one particular club - Real. The word "project" on its own doesnt mean he wants to come to United, just because we are not the finished article. On the second read the sentence that stood out for me was the one about coaches come and go. One of our advantages is our coach, many people have suggested players might come to play for him, rather than for the love of Manchester United.

Suggesting he is not interested in Pogba becoming the most expensive player is just insulting the reader's intelligence, he's an agent FFS.
 
Kroos must be off. Hope we are in the running for him.
 
Adebesi said:
@AltiUn I had the same thought when I first read that but then I thought about it and read it again and decided it was just about not wanting to weaken their hand by appearing too keen to join one particular club - Real. The word "project" on its own doesnt mean he wants to come to United, just because we are not the finished article. On the second read the sentence that stood out for me was the one about coaches come and go. One of our advantages is our coach, many people have suggested players might come to play for him, rather than for the love of Manchester United.

Suggesting he is not interested in Pogba becoming the most expensive player is just insulting the reader's intelligence, he's an agent FFS.
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That makes more sense actually, although I imagine he would be in contact with a couple of clubs at least. I think you're right when saying players want to play for Mourinhho, who wouldn't? He's an incredibly successful coach and has managed some excellent players. One factor that could work in our favour is that Pogba admits he's still fond of us and Raiola is trying to move two of his clients to us already, it's not a transfer I'd rule out even with Real involved.

Also, I don't think he's trying to insult our intellegence rather protect Pogba from being called a money-grabber. He's implying that his move will be football-oriented and not money related. He gets a bad reputation but Raiola is meant to be loved by all his clients for putting their needs above all else.
 
AltiUn said:
That makes more sense actually, although I imagine he would be in contact with a couple of clubs at least. I think you're right when saying players want to play for Mourinhho, who wouldn't? He's an incredibly successful coach and has managed some excellent players. One factor that could work in our favour is that Pogba admits he's still fond of us and Raiola is trying to move two of his clients to us already, it's not a transfer I'd rule out even with Real involved.

Also, I don't think he's trying to insult our intellegence rather protect Pogba from being called a money-grabber. He's implying that his move will be football-oriented and not money related. He gets a bad reputation but Raiola is meant to be loved by all his clients for putting their needs above all else.
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Maybe I'm being unfair about this particular agent then, I don't know anything about him specifically and am just painting all agents with the same brush. But I do think it's fairly standard in a negotiation to play up the existence of other options and I think ultimately that's what is happening here.
 
Relfy said:
Well if he does go to Real, would this then make Kroos available? I don't see Modric leaving, and that Casimerio lad has been playing regularly, so you'd think Kroos would be the one dropped, and if that's the case then we should be all over it. Pogba back at united would be great, but he's not we need right now, and he probably feels the same about us.
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They might be able to keep them all. Pogba and Modric as the 2 CMs. Casemiro at DM in tougher games, Kroos there in easier ones and Pogba and Modric will miss some starts so Kroos plays CM in those, or when Pogba is slumping. Modric is getting into the stage where he might be best served getting a rest of two (especially considering he's the man for his country, too) There's 40-45 starts a year for all of them with all the games Madrid play, though Kroos might not be interested in fighting for his place when he could just move somewhere else and be first choice.

I think Kovacic would definitely go if Kroos didn't, though. Whether you think he'd help us is another question
 
I think Madrid is going to sell James and buy Pogba. Also, I can see Kovacic going on loan.

So Madrid would rotate 5 players in 3 positions depending the game.
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Pogba/Isco - Modric/Kroos
Kroos/Casemiro
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Fer said:
I think Madrid is going to sell James and buy Pogba. Also, I can see Kovacic going on loan.

So Madrid would rotate 5 players in 3 positions depending the game.
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Pogba/Isco - Modric/Kroos
Kroos/Casemiro
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That's just going to cause an even bigger clusterfeck for them. Zidane sorted it out once he brought Casemiro back into the fold, and if he has to make Kroos a squad player covering two positions, he'll just recreate that whole mess all over again, with the added debacle of an unhappy player who will be undeservedly second choice through no fault of his own.
 
Fer said:
I think Madrid is going to sell James and buy Pogba. Also, I can see Kovacic going on loan.

So Madrid would rotate 5 players in 3 positions depending the game.
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Pogba/Isco - Modric/Kroos
Kroos/Casemiro
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This is what I think will happen as well. Five players for three positions is pretty sensible. The idea that they will sell Kroos or Modric is a pipe dream.

It will be interesting to see where James goes if they sell him. Real will want a big fee but I don't see that many clubs with the funds that would be interested. I don't really see him as a Mourinho player, nor do I think Pep would want him. PSG or Chelsea, maybe?
 
rotherham_red said:
That's just going to cause an even bigger clusterfeck for them. Zidane sorted it out once he brought Casemiro back into the fold, and if he has to make Kroos a squad player covering two positions, he'll just recreate that whole mess all over again, with the added debacle of an unhappy player who will be undeservedly second choice through no fault of his own.
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They are the current winners of the Champions League. James and Kovacic out for Pogba is realistic.

During the season there are injuries, bad form, rotation, different tournaments/cups. Also, they change formation if they need to strength the midfield in big games, etc.

5 players for 3 positions it's okay. We have Carrick, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, TFM, Blind, Herrera, Fellaini, Rooney and even Pereira and Mata... and still we want 1 or 2 more midfielders.
 
Fer said:
They are the current winners of the Champions League. James and Kovacic out for Pogba is realistic.

During the season there are injuries, bad form, rotation, different tournaments/cups. Also, they change formation if they need to strength the midfield in big games, etc.

5 players for 3 positions it's okay. We have Carrick, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, TFM, Blind, Herrera, Fellaini, Rooney and even Pereira and Mata... and still we want 1 or 2 more midfielders.
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Yes, we have five shit-to-average players for 5 positions.

Gutted knowing Real will get Pogba.

I wonder if we will ever manage to sign a tier 1 star player.

Barca and Real have several each. We haven't had one for 7 years.
 
KingMinger22 said:
Yes, we have five shit-to-average players for 5 positions.

Gutted knowing Real will get Pogba.

I wonder if we will ever manage to sign a tier 1 star player.

Barca and Real have several each. We haven't had one for 7 years.
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Di Maria says hello.
 
I would say we could offer him more money but Real will just match it.

The fact that his agent only named one of the three clubs they are talking to strongly suggests they are in pole position.
 
I'm not so sure Pogba to Madrid is a done deal. Raiola giving an interview about this this contravenes Real Madrid's request for hush hush on the issue.

Seems to me he wants to drive the price up more than anything. The bigger the sale, the larger his commission.
 
Glad that Real Madrid are in for Pogba at that price. I am a fan of Pogba, but woud hate to see United pay the rumored price that Juventus want. That kind of price should be for players who can carry a team on their own, not for someone who is slightly better than average.
 
With huge (as someone said before 'tier 1') talents like this, who are already well known, once Barca, Bayern, Real become involved, we're out of the equation. It's not ideal, but it's best to move on and look for a good alternative. If scouted well, an alternative could turn out to be just as good.
 
Von Mistelroum said:
With huge (as someone said before 'tier 1') talents like this, who are already well known, once Barca, Bayern, Real become involved, we're out of the equation. It's not ideal, but it's best to move on and look for a good alternative. If scouted well, an alternative could turn out to be just as good.
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Sadly, you're probably right. When it comes to the top talent we normally either need to catch it early (Martial) or at the tail end of their career (Schweinsteiger, Ibra)
 
bosnian_red said:
Im really not all that keen on him to be honest. Obviously a very good player with huge potential, but as a midfielder he is very oberrated. Isn't close to the likes of Modric and that's more along the type we need. Where he goes, he will need to be the more advanced of a midfield 3, but he isn't agile or creative enough to be a proper #10. Doesn't look like he will develop into a controlling type of midfielder to dictates the tempo of games either.

Saying that, of course he is a very good player and has a ridiculous shot on him, and that's his stand out quality. Is that worth the prices being mentioned though? Not a chance IMO (not that I would complain if we got him in the end). As a midfielder, Kante is better for me and has a much bigger impact on games, though not being as talented. Then there are other attacking mids who have a lot more talent on the ball to be more creative, without the shooting ability Pogba has. Payet for example.

Whoever said Lampard is the perfect example. Probably has it in him to get 20 goals per season from midfield, but more in that style compared to a playmaker like scholes or a more energetic box to box like Gerrard.
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What Lampard did was a honed skill that required very specific game intelligence, and, more importantly, inredible discipline. Lampard's drill runs are amongst the most dogmatic seen in that position - the studiousness he displayed to do the same things over and over, game after game was tremendous. Pogba is doing well to get even a quarter of that discipline in him by the time he's fully matured. He's a proper free spirit, which translates to in-disciplined and immature to some who like their midfielders to be more pragmatic and methodical.

The next manager that gets a hold of him is going to have trust him and give him free rein to roam within the constraints of #10/#8. In truth, I'd expect a player more similar to him in Zidane to have a natural understanding and affinity on how to best use him rather than a Mourinho or Guardiola, who, I would suppose, have a more rigid set of ideas for their attacking midfielders.
 
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