And that's what they are discussing and what I was talking about.
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And that's what they are discussing and what I was talking about.
I actually think Raiola has done a lot. He has put together a very challenging deal to extract every bit of value from the buying club. He is helping Juventus, first by bringing them the player for almost nothing, and then by selling the player. They got years of his service plus a massive payoff and lots of media exposure. He earned his money.
Yeah and so my original point still stands they wont care who pays them or how long it takes as long as they get their money.
United paying Juve in lump sum or installments won't affect that.
Juventus will pay them, the question is how they are going to proceed, that was my point. United have nothing to do with that.
That would make sense in 2008, alot less in 2016.
We are Man United alright, and we are miles behind Real, Barca and Bayern aswell, that is a fact, I don't like it anymore than you do but I'am not in denial of reality.
Name me 1 player we tussled with over Madrid, Barca or Bayern and actually won ? DDG doesn't count, Madrid dithered till the last second and Dave was already on the plane if the fax machine didn't break.
It is a fecking reality top players like Pogba prefer Bayern, Real and Barca over us now. That will continue until we actually get back to winning the league and playing CL finals again instead of celebrating the second coming of Jesus because we beat Palace in an Fa-cup final.
Yea, we are Man United, we are also not in the CL for the 2nd year in 3 years and gone from finishing 7th to 4th to 5th. I want to forget the last 3 years because Mou said so, I really do, but I don't think the rest of the world will forget just as easy as that.
We are called realists
How's it clear? Not clear to me. Can't see any link anywhere.
I agree with you .... but many of us have been in this exact space many times over the years.... Ronaldinio, Robben, Essien, Benzema, Hazard, Vidal to name a few .... transfers that were fully 100% expected only to be stolen in the last days or even hours!
Many big transfer negotiations have involved brinkmanship down to the last days of the transfer window: Berbatov, Torres/Carrol and Bale & DDG being good recent examples. Likewise, its within the realms of possibility that Madrid will somehow find a way to finance this deal in the last hours, and if they can, they would be Pogba's ideal preference.
I promised myself never to do it again after Hazard so am not as emotionally invested on Pogba, but of we lose out, its going to be a gutting pain! In this transfer market, you don't know until you know!!!!
Why would he have to fly over there for Pogba to sign a contract?
That's just as ridiculous as saying he would fly over there to inform him of an offer.Things such as scanners, printers, tablets, cameras and even faxes do exist. And even if witnesses were to be legally required for the contract to be binding, why would it have to be Raiola who witnessed it?
And how do we even know that he's on his way to Miami? From Di Marzio's "gospel"? He proved just a few hours ago that he's capable of spewing BS when he was complete wrong about the André Gomes story.
Could swear nobody has reported any interest from Real Madrid?
The fact that some people have actually practically accepted he is going there - based completely on a stew of anxiety that has come out of the Andre Gomes deal? This place is baffling.
The fact that some people have actually practically accepted he is going there - based completely on a stew of anxiety that has come out of the Andre Gomes deal? This place is baffling.
This is all getting abit to dramatic for my liking. Im starting to wonder how reliable this Di Marizo cnut is and all these other so called good sources.
Why would he have to fly over there for Pogba to sign a contract?
Things such as scanners, printers, tablets, cameras and even faxes do exist. And even if witnesses were to be legally required for the contract to be binding, why would it have to be Raiola who witnessed it?
And how do we even know that he's on his way to Miami? From Di Marzio's "gospel"? He proved just a few hours ago that he's capable of spewing BS when he was complete wrong about the André Gomes story.
Di Marzio is accurate with Italian transfers not Spanish, he said that Gomes was a target. Not that he was in line. He doesn't know Valencia and what goes on there but Juventus or a Serie A club he's the most accurate.
Ban who is talking about Madrid will Madrid scares and this bla bla bla BAN.
Yes so theres nothing to worry about then is there.
- He could be flying to get a signature to sort out the 20 % fee or Raiola owning him or whatever the clause currently is
- He could be flying to discuss our offer as we have negotiated with Raiola, that doesn't necessarily mean that Pogba is aware of the details
- Maybe Pogba has changed his mind
- RM have made an offer
- Raiola is just flying for holiday
- He is not flying at all
What I however don't believe is that he is flying to get our contract signed as this is always the last step and done in Manchester or London.
- He could be flying to discuss our offer as we have negotiated with Raiola, that doesn't necessarily mean that Pogba is aware of the details
- Maybe Pogba has changed his mind
- RM have made an offer
- Raiola is just flying for holiday
- He is not flying at all
What I however don't believe is that he is flying to get our contract signed as this is always the last step and done in Manchester or London.
Why fly to Miami when he can simply have a FaceTime chat; seems enough to fend of a military coup nowadays?!
More likely is the Madrid scenario as that has been off the table for a long time, but if there is renewed Madrid interest, that would require a 3 way face2face meeting to properly articulate and close the deal.
Added to that Mourinho's point that even though he wants Pogba, he's has 'options' and won't be held hostage.
Honestly, I think this is far from over and can envisage Madrid somehow financing record deal too.
Who is worried?
It's in the right bottom corner of my post.
I was joking buddy. People need to lighten up a little. What we say won't change the course of things.
I don't understand why but Madrid seems to be the 'Mecca' for football players. They took Ronaldo off us, were minutes away from taking De Gea from us, they have done it to other clubs. Whoever Madrid want they get, that almsot a meme at this point.
You can't be surprised that some people are worried about them, and pretending to be above all that doesn't make you look intelligent or something, it makes you look nieve imo.
You can't be surprised that some people are worried about them, and pretending to be above all that doesn't make you look intelligent or something, it makes you look nieve imo.
- He could be flying to get a signature to sort out the 20 % fee or Raiola owning him or whatever the clause currently is
doesn't need face2face meeting!
- He could be flying to discuss our offer as we have negotiated with Raiola, that doesn't necessarily mean that Pogba is aware of the details
doesn't need face2face meeting! email would suffice
- Maybe Pogba has changed his mind
Maybe ... and he is trying to change his mind back!
- RM have made an offer
Highly likely and would require a 3 way face2face meeting.
- Raiola is just flying for holiday:
Am sure he has more exotic places than Miami to go to!
- He is not flying at all Hope so!
What I however don't believe is that he is flying to get our contract signed as this is always the last step and done in Manchester or London.
Agreed!
One way or another, this is going to end in a few days. i hate modern transfer windows. it should be like a week long bloodbath of muppet orgies, rather than this ramadan of self-flagellation.
Mate, what ever happens, happens. feck Real Madrid, don't give 2 shits about them, we're man utd and you lot'll do well to remember that.
Exactly it has happend time and time again and it usually ends in tears for us
The thing is I didn't particulary want Pogba at the start of the summer. I thought, don't waste your time chasing such an overpriced player that clearly wants to go Madrid and will likley end up there anyway. I had already long ago accepted that Pogba to United would not happen and that after Juve he was going to Madrid or maybay Barca. But then we do go for him and we want to pay a world record fee and for some reason that has never been explained Real or Barca don't want to pay the fee nor do any other clubs, so we are free to get him, so you believe and get invested and now it just has to happen or I'll lose my fecking shit. Yea Mou can say we have alternatives, name me 1 fecking player in the world that is realistically available and can offer the same quality as Pogba, there aren't any, any alternative to Pogba will end up being a let down.
It is fecking natural people freak out and panic at the first sign of trouble, given how unlikley this transfer was at the beginning and how heavily invested people are right now because of all the links and Madrid losing out Gomes and suddently Raiola has flying off to Pogba, for anyone with half a brain that is an indication of possible trouble.
You seemed a bit concerned in this post (which started this conversation) that the payment terms might scupper the deal.
- He could be flying to get a signature to sort out the 20 % fee or Raiola owning him or whatever the clause currently is
doesn't need face2face meeting!
- He could be flying to discuss our offer as we have negotiated with Raiola, that doesn't necessarily mean that Pogba is aware of the details
doesn't need face2face meeting! email would suffice
- Maybe Pogba has changed his mind
Maybe ... and he is trying to change his mind back!
- RM have made an offer
Highly likely and would require a 3 way face2face meeting.
- Raiola is just flying for holiday:
Am sure he has more exotic places than Miami to go to!
- He is not flying at all Hope so!
What I however don't believe is that he is flying to get our contract signed as this is always the last step and done in Manchester or London.
Agreed!
Im sorry, but this is a seriously embarrassing post. Wind it in mate, it's only a transfer, there's back up plans.
Not really, I was just speculating on what the last details could be. Maybe you are worried though?
He will be flying out the speed the deal along. He is the one holding it up. Juve will want it done now as they will want to use the money to get Higuain. That's what I'm saying.
Its quite easy: They are the world's most successful ever team.
- Historically, they are more successful and won more silver than we have
- They have had some of the worlds best players since the 1950s
- They pay amazing wages.
- They play in front of 80,000 amazing and very loud fans in an amazing stadium
- Madrid enjoys amazing weather
- Madrid possesses enriching culture
- Madrid has many beautiful women
Nothing for us to be ashamed of, only 1 team can have that status, and our club can't do anything about many of those reasons.
Hmmm, normally true except when we've come across Real Madrid, playing football and the transfer market in the past few years.
Maybe that'll change into the future under Woodwards commercial stewardship and Mourinho's footingblling nous, but the jury is still out for a long time on that.
Madrid has women with moustaches too.
It's also the biggest club for Spanish and Portuguese speakers. That obviously incorporates South America and Iberia - where there are endless brilliant footballers and footballing nations. In Scandinavia and Asia United are seen as the biggest club but obviously the quality of footballers isn't as good.
He's flying because he wants to play basketball.
Aye, their fans are especially amazing when they start waving the handkerchiefs and booing their own players.
You would think we would almost be as popular with players though, i mean we 'supposedly' have more fans worldwide than them and most football players are also football fans so.
I suppose Manchester isn't exactly Madrid but i doubt many foreign footballers know what Manchester is like anyway.
I suppose Manchester isn't exactly Madrid but i doubt many foreign footballers know what Manchester is like anyway.
Its annoying because when we had SAF and CQ, we'd almost overcome that problem and stated importing many young Latino's ... and Im sure Rafael and Nani would have continued to deliver under SAF.
Hoping if Mourinho can last for more than 2 seasons, he can use his aura as a magnet for such players into the future.
ours aren't great. They just go quiet, which in my opinion, is just as bad!
Oh for feck sake.
People should panic because Barcelona got Gomes and Raiola supposedly flew to Miami? Give me a fecking break. Such a doom and gloom way of thinking. There is absolutely nothing that is concrete that Madrid ever went for Gomes and for all anyone knows Raiola was always flying to Miami to meet Pogba, he is his agent.
Hope Raoul thread bans you lot that are having a "Fear Madrid" Circle Jerk right now because you are putting 2 + 2 together and making 5.