The reason (at least part of it) we won those titles is we still had the record signing players in the team. Guys like Ferdinand and Rooney were at their peak to make up for the lesser quality players. When our record signings became too old or unfit, we started slipping. Think Fergie saw the writing on the wall and made Moyes the fall guy. LVG was designed to build the foundations again and Mourinho will be the beneficiary.
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The reason (at least part of it) we won those titles is we still had the record signing players in the team. Guys like Ferdinand and Rooney were at their peak to make up for the lesser quality players. When our record signings became too old or unfit, we started slipping. Think Fergie saw the writing on the wall and made Moyes the fall guy. LVG was designed to build the foundations again and Mourinho will be the beneficiary.
Yes, and those value signings has not helped us saving money overall beacuase instead we now have to pay extra money for players as we have no CL, clubs knows how desperate we have been the last three years and so on.
It was the impossible job to replace Fergie, but he could have left a easier squad for Moyes to manage that's for sure.
Yes, only a magician like Fergie could get away with such an approach. When mere 'mortals' are managers, United have to compete with other clubs in order to be competitive in football. At the end of the day, everybody would only remember the trophies won by clubs and not whether they paid under or above the fair value of players in the transfer windows.
Finally some sense on here. Perfectly mirrors my thoughts on a potential thread that never fully formed in my mind.
It's an odd phenomenon with posters saying de facto "Oh he's not worth more than £70m" based on... well nothing really.
Considering transfer fees have increased every season ever since the start of football, it's not a difficult concept to comprehend.
I have a theory that these people think everything is not worth it until long after its happened at which point it is then accepted (i.e. Rio at £30m). Also there may be a bit of playground style mocking by oppo fans because it's the only response that isn't "oh he's quite good isn't he".
As for Pogba, I really hope we sign him because he's simply just an excellent player and could help take us back towards the success we want for the club.
And Mkhitaryan from Dortmund too
That's a bit condescending for the great man. IMO Fergie believed that he could create a sustainable structure wherein United could consistently overachieve in comparison to their spending (and of course Glazers loved it!). But the recent years have only shown that no club is immune to the economics of football, not even United.
If the meeting is actually taking place today, expect Raiola to come up with some juicy (but cryptic) soundbites later, as he is not the one to keep his mouth shut.
I see the bid is finally prepared.
This will be wrapped up by page 478.
This will be wrapped up by page 478.
This one million percent. I can't help butwhen people say "Pogba is not worth Y." If we pay 2 pence for him then he's "worth" 2 pence, if we pay £200m then he's "worth" £200m.
A good thing this club isn't run by socialists!
That's so wrong, can't believe you really said that.
Let's say Messi is worth probably 500Mio to Barca, they simply won't sell him below.
So you think United should make a bid of 500M to buy Messi for maybe 3 more world class seasons?
Because that's actually how Barca rates him, but he's NOT WORTH it for other teams to purchase.
Heck, if a restaurant offers me a steak for 75£ it does only mean that they think this is a fair price. It doesn't mean that it's worth it.
Just because Juve won't sell below 150M doesn't actually mean that's a fair market price and every supporter should be happy if we matched that.
Why is it do hard to see that there are people thinking lower of Pogba than others?
Some think he'll be a top 3 Midfielder for many years to come->125M is a bargain
Some think he's barely a top 10 MF and won't lift the level of our play drastically->125M is too much.
Every player has a price tag that seem fair peoples own opinions.
I would be happy if we buy him for 100M, astounded if we buy him for 150M.
If we buy him for 150 though, it certainly means Mou values him that high which would make me kinda happy too.
Bang the muppet drums, lets play him in.
When they say preparing a bid does that mean they are warming up the trusty fax machine we used for the De Gea deal?
I hope they would have replaced that by now.
I hope they would have replaced that by now.
What time is this meeting happening lads?
Finally happy we are seeing some movement.
Finally happy we are seeing some movement.
Gotta ask, how do you know? You privy to Uniteds account details?Chances of lightning striking twice...
No, we won't be able to. We are putting a lot of eggs in the Pogba basket with the numbers (Fee and wages) being talked about. I can assure you that if this fails it'll be a pretty big setback to any future plans.
Usually, these kind of numbers are reserved for proven world class signings; almost sure things. We are paying a heavy premium here for a player who is far from world class. Also, a major portion of the fee is upfront with only 20% max as add-ons. I hope Jose and Woodward know what they are doing here.
That's what I can't grasp about the "too much money" argument. No one here knows anything really about our money situation or how much that £100m is going to be missed.
Most of all it baffles me that people seriously think that woody and Co haven't worked out if they can afford this or not. Next we'll all be down in London telling the bankers what to invest in.
I have my bottle of water based lubricant ready.
Seems like a simple deal to complete, then. Surely United aren't going to quibble over 10-20m euros. That's a Zaha fee away from signing Pogba.
Raiola just walked out the room with a chair round his neck
I am for anything that gives us a chance to get us back in with the football elite. Still scared this will blow up but I think Juve would be crazy to turn down the quoted #'s.
I can see Juve dragging this to the last day.
Sorry muppets.
Sorry muppets.
if the difference is between 20 mill in bonuses im extremely confident that this will happen. Pogba will be a Manchester United player
You pay more for young players with potential then already established ones. Especially those like Pogba as he is as close to a safe bet as anyone, as he's already a proven top player. He isn't just a "potential", though he isn't world class yet. The fees are insane regardless and a large part due to our previous situation with him, but I wouldn't worry about him not working out or not being able to recoup most of the fee from selling him on.
Latest reports from Italy suggest that United will pay £100m plus fund a boardroom renovation
WWF monday night RAW style.... jesus where is @Olly with dem Gifs
"Fair price"
Hilarious!Let's use your steak analogy. It's "worth" it to you if you pony up and pay the £75. What is a "fair price" anyways? How much overhead does this restaurant have, where did they get the steak from? How much went into presenting this steak to you? Trained chefs or no? Trained wait staff or no? Good ambiance or crap hole? Special occasion or just quick lunch before heading back to the office? So many things factor into "worth" or perceived worth for particular individuals or organizations then we'll get no where with "worth".
One way of defining "worth" is what X pays for Y, you might not agree with their valuation and think they overpaid but don't get all riled up about it.
Same. Done by Friday. Wheels have been in motion for ages, all the posturing is over. Pogba has agreed his terms. Juve just have to give the OK, take the boat load of cash and then have fun signing their targets.
Haha, good point, they have an even worse track record.While I agree with your point, that's maybe not the best example
Not a chance in hell, this will be done before the month is over.
Good suggestion.
I agree with you. But I do think he can raise a bit to the occasion when there is more competition.
That is ultimately the reason why I think it will be concluded relatively quick as well. Juve will want as much of the transfer window to jizz around with their 100-120m Euros as possible.
SKY Italia saying our first offer of €103m will be rejected, why would we mess about making an offer then.
Woody should make an offer that will be acceptable and jist get it done
Woody should make an offer that will be acceptable and jist get it done
A second bid will be accepted on Thursday folks so don't worry.
This timeline is so obvious to me. Pogba would not want the hassle of returning to Italy and wait a few days for this to iron itself out.
If I could find a bookie that would give me odds of Pogba flying straight from the States to Manchester on Friday I would actually place a large bet on it.
This timeline is so obvious to me. Pogba would not want the hassle of returning to Italy and wait a few days for this to iron itself out.
If I could find a bookie that would give me odds of Pogba flying straight from the States to Manchester on Friday I would actually place a large bet on it.
Because no matter what we offer first they will demand more.
Bets on when the announcement is made? I say thursday july 20,2016
I don't think any club ever has accepted a first offer. First offer is usually a base offer to start real negotiations. We offer 100 million, Juve wants 120 million. I guess the final fee will be around 110-115 million.