I really dont think there will be much negotiating, or bidding at all. Earliest sources reported the deal as being 'done' two weeks ago. I just dont think you would walk into a meeting to discuss a world record transfer without the knowledge that the the bid is going to be accepted. The only thing that could change or delay the deal is if the player changed his mind. Otherwise, just sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride. Pogba is coming home.
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Too many people playing FM and that has clouded their minds.
Then we'll agree to sell him at a low price, but at the last moment the fax machine will break down again.
Chances of lightning striking twice...
No, we won't be able to. We are putting a lot of eggs in the Pogba basket with the numbers (Fee and wages) being talked about. I can assure you that if this fails it'll be a pretty big setback to any future plans.
Usually, these kind of numbers are reserved for proven world class signings; almost sure things. We are paying a heavy premium here for a player who is far from world class. Also, a major portion of the fee is upfront with only 20% max as add-ons. I hope Jose and Woodward know what they are doing here.
I used to think the same thing about CNN in the States but I guess Sky are going down that route as well.
£60m for Verratti
He'll cost way more than Pogba, if at all he was even up for sale. And if he was, sure as hell he wouldn't be first in line.
He wouldn't. For whatever reasons, right or wrong, Pogba has become the most sell-able player in Europe (other than the Barca / Real untouchables). But equally, he'd be more than £60m.
He has been improving every year till now so what makes you think he wont continue to improve? I feel he is one of those players who will fit in and dominate no matter where he is playing.Chances of lightning striking twice...
No, we won't be able to. We are putting a lot of eggs in the Pogba basket with the numbers (Fee and wages) being talked about. I can assure you that if this fails it'll be a pretty big setback to any future plans.
Usually, these kind of numbers are reserved for proven world class signings; almost sure things. We are paying a heavy premium here for a player who is far from world class. Also, a major portion of the fee is upfront with only 20% max as add-ons. I hope Jose and Woodward know what they are doing here.
It's very tedious, even more so when we know Verratti will be our marquee next year anyway
They must have rebooted their router.
They should really use 4G and just have twitter open on their phones.
Only because he isn't for sale, at any price.
Good suggestion.
I would tend to agree, but when we have a certain player on around 250-300k I'm totally fine with it.
You know when Citeh first started splashing the cash? and it was a disaster (Cruz, Robinho, Jo etc)
Eventually they struck gold with the likes of Kun/Toure
Eventually we will strike gold with a stellar signing, surely?
Eventually they struck gold with the likes of Kun/Toure
Eventually we will strike gold with a stellar signing, surely?
If it fails, we won't even break a sweat over it. It's nothing to us. We can afford to spend like this every summer for the foreseeable future.
That's the thing. All the players will look at Rooney and say he earn £250.000/week so why shouldn't I do? And the club will have to pay that.
I can't believe how clueless people are when it comes to player evaluations, and then have the nerve to question the price of Pogba
There is no new landscape. Ronaldo and Bale are still the most expensive players ever, Messi and Neymar are not on the market, and we offered silly money for di maria when we didn't need to.
The EPL might be richer, but is there another EPL club who would offer HALF of what we're apparently offering? I just think we're painting ourselves into a corner here. Pay 100 mill for Pogba and watch as every other signing we make in the next few years is adjusted to match.
Yes I am embarrassed to be perfectly honest. It has nothing to do with how good a player is. I don't people who don't want to be here, out of respect to both parties. I have the same attitude to my businesses and life. Life is too short to regret big decisions like this.
DDG is only here by some sort of administrative cock up between United and Madrid, He wanted to leave so It's different to having to settle for a less preferred club. it's not his fault and would be playing for them right now had it not been for that debacle.
I understand wha't your saying about your preference. I worked/lived in Madrid for 6 years and did not like the city, much preferred other parts of the country but in any case I think allot of people go to where the opportunity is and this financial opportunity doesn't come much bigger than this I guess.
Sky are miles behind in the transfer scene
the way I see it is once Rooney leaves Pogba is taking his slot in the pay role which I'm completely fine with!!
Things have definitely changed. I remember when I was young, when we broke the transfer record it was a cause for excitement / celebration / pride / gloating. These days we seem nervous / ashamed when these amounts start getting thrown around. And for those of you too young to remember, £7m for Andy Cole or £1.5m for Robbo seemed just as outrageous sums of money to pay for a footballer back then.
I guess maybe it's out lack of recent success, and the big name flops we've had recently that make us cautious about all this now.
The chances of United signing Pogba increased from 60% to 75% in my books. Clearly if we are going with an official bid along with Riola, then Pogba is on board! Now whether United and Juve come to an agreement and whether our official bid forces Real to also bid are the two remaining questions.
This one million percent. I can't help but
when people say "Pogba is not worth Y." If we pay 2 pence for him then he's "worth" 2 pence, if we pay £200m then he's "worth" £200m.A good thing this club isn't run by socialists!
In addition to his commercial value, which is still strong, he has also scored over 200 goals for the club. That is why.
I think people got used to Sir Alex's later years of making value signings and yet winning trophies. It became a point of pride and gloating towards opposition fans.
Except we are not starting from scratch to build a team. We wont need that many big money signings. Plus we have a great group of youngsters coming through.
But that should not make him worth that money. He's been shite the last few years and doesn't deserve to have that money when he's not even close to be our best player. So what if he scored 200 goals for us? Should that make him worth £250.000/week even when he's 36 and on the bench all the time?
Didn't we sell di Maria for 25% less than what we bought him for? We were able to get even that for him because his quality was already proven; he failed here because he couldn't adjust here under Van Gaal. Pogba is still a 'potential', not a finished product. However, the fee and wages being talked about are for a finished product. There are still questions about his world class consistency and quality.
I am neutral towards this deal; so, I am leaving this on Jose and Woodward without bothering too much. But all this talk about "we'll get our money back in 3 years" is far from a surety.
No we didnt sell him for 25% less. We got him for around 50-52m upfront and the rest were add ons. We sold him for around 46-48m upfront.
No, we cannot, but that is for another thread. Whoever told you that this a bottomless cash pit lied to you. Take my world for it.
Exactly my POV too. Far too many people care about price. What matters is seeing him in our shirt, scoring goals and lifting trophies come next May. If that happens it'll be worth every penny.
Exactly I used to love being able to rub it in that we signed average players and won the league but them days are over at least for now people should enjoy us splashing the cash we where starved for years of this.
Because we wanted to keep him at the time. IT's easy to say with hindsight that we could have moved him on to Chelsea, or this and that, but the we hadn't noticed or expected the sharp decline to his game at the time. Whether or not he was worth that much at the time is subjective, but my point is that new signings cant just look at Rooney and demand equal pay, he's a special case, he's our captain and the face of the club since Ronnie left. Back on topic though, i do think Pogba is worth that money, he is going to shatter the world record and become the first 100m man, of course we wont be skimping out on the wages.
Precisely, so why would Koke, then instantly be worth 100m? Your argument collaborate with other player values in comparison. As for 60m,70m, its probably due to the fact Pogba should not be a player to break the transfer record. In regards you dont care how much he is, tell that to Leeds fans. And something like that wont not happen to United, but silly spending adds up
You think Verratti would cost half.
He'd probably cost double.
Verratti, is probably a poor example for who he plays for, but hes simply not a player to command 100m and wont be if he played for a non-oil tycoon club
City and Chelsea would both definitely take Pogba at £50-60m. Easily.
And besides, we are not just competing with premier league clubs -- we're also competing with Madrid and Barca.
Except we are? As of 2 years ago we were 7th. Not as a club obviously but as a team we were left with over the hills and never be good enough's (Evra/Rio/Vida and Cleverley etc etc)
Fergie left us in the toilet, fact.
Personally I found little pride in watching us sign Obertan whilst rivals aimed for the likes of Augero.
Fergie did get titles with lower spending than others, but his desire for "value" cost us multiple good players over the last few years of his reign
We got him for £59m and sold him for £44m. If I am not mistaken, the loss was even higher due to the exchange rates.
Are you seriously comparing the team City had when Hughes and Mancini and what we have? They are two ends of the spectrum. This teams needed a great manager and they just got one. Players wise we dont have 5-6 "star" signings. Maybe 1. We would have been competitive last season if we had Mou. We had a good squad. Just the way they were set up to play was shit.
To sign those players you mention your talking about spending close to £200m for them. United supposedly bid £150m for Neymar last season, whether its believed or not is the thing. Same with PSG supposedly willing to pay Messi release clause of near £200m. Bale wouldn't be sold from Madrid for anything close to £100m either, Ronaldo would probably cost £100m but hes 31.
Pogba while not an elite player like some of the players you mentioned but his potential will only increase and as such any future fee we may command for him will also increase, if he so wishes to leave. I'm not the biggest fan of Pogba but Ive watched quite a few matches and highlight vids recently and its swaying my opinion. Is he really worth £100m? Nope, but no one really is. Is he worth it to United, you bet your ass he is. With all the sponsorship deals already in place with United, then Pogba can be the poster boy for those and having the Worlds most expensive player in our ranks is another marketing tool we can use to exploit more sponsorship deals. This will help repay the transfer fee and his wages.
Anyone think that using the money to buy 2 players to make the team better are crazy. No other players available would be as marketable as Pogba, they might make the team a better unit, providing they integrate into the team. But making too many changes over a summer to a team can be detrimental and as such 4 transfers could be the perfect amount for the team and cohesion.