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Do you want Pogba for £100 million?

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with news of Kanté going to Chelsea it looks like, it worries me the fallthrough if Pogba isn't signed.

City, Chelsea, Arenals midfield to Uniteds makes it a bit light in the big games, really need a big signing (Yes Mkhitaryan) but United need another big player.
 
Raoul said:
I generally don't understand the anti-Pogba logic either. He's one of the best young players in the world and we are preparing for an assault on the league and the CL the following year. Why wouldn't we want a Paul Pogba who is just entering his prime career years to be a central part of that. Its a fairly easy choice.
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I would say the main issue is the perceived talent of the player amongst our posters. I concede that this is a hugely subjective opinion, which hard to sway, and that is fair enough. The debate will never end wether 'Poster A' think Pogba is great, whilst 'Poster B' thinks there are 20 better players than him playing in Serie A. These are opinions which are near impossible to change, no matter how many stats or videos you show.

The same debate about that gets tiresome though.
 
Raoul said:
I generally don't understand the anti-Pogba logic either. He's one of the best young players in the world and we are preparing for an assault on the league and the CL the following year. Why wouldn't we want a Paul Pogba who is just entering his prime career years to be a central part of that. Its a fairly easy choice.
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Because we can 'assault' the league and Champions League without spending £120m (and stupid wages) on him.
 
VP89 said:
Because we can 'assault' the league and Champions League without spending £120m (and stupid wages) for him.
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Obviously the club and manager disagree. He is one of , if not THE, best young player in the world at this time. Any club with the resources to buy him, would do so.
 
Raoul said:
That's not off limits as Steve has VIP, a la carte access to saying such things. You on the other hand don't.
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Well, Steve is a bona fide superstar!

Coming back to the anti-Pogba's sentiments, here is a start by Opt Joe regarding assists:



He was clearly one of the most creative midfielders in Serie A last season.
 
Raoul said:
Obviously the club and manager disagree. He is one of , if not THE, best young player in the world at this time. Any club with the resources to buy him, would do so.
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Ed Woodward appears to want to buy a marquee player for the sake of a statement in my opinion. He's bid 100m+ for Mueller Bale Neymar in the last 3 seasons so the trend is apparent.

As for the best young player in the world - highly subjective. I disagree, especially after his supposedly inconsistent form last season according to most Juve fans.
 
Raoul said:
I generally don't understand the anti-Pogba logic either. He's one of the best young players in the world and we are preparing for an assault on the league and the CL the following year. Why wouldn't we want a Paul Pogba who is just entering his prime career years to be a central part of that. Its a fairly easy choice.
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not wanting pogba is one thing, but the list of potential suiters they would have instead boggles the mind.
 
Burrow said:
I would say the main issue is the perceived talent of the player amongst our posters. I concede that this is a hugely subjective opinion, which hard to sway, and that is fair enough. The debate will never end wether 'Poster A' think Pogba is great, whilst 'Poster B' thinks there are 20 better players than him playing in Serie A. These are opinions which are near impossible to change, no matter how many stats or videos you show.

The same debate about that gets tiresome though.
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Not sure it's that stark. More like there are some in the 'Pogba is world class and is about to enter his prime years' camp and others saying 'Pogba's overrated, very good but not worth the money at the cost of rounding up the midfield in general better'.

I don't think he's quite world class yet and wouldn't call him a better midfielder than Verratti, or a better attacking mid than James Rodriguez but like Rodriguez his image transcends pure footballing terms. We don't have anything close to Pirlo/Vidal/Marchisio calibre midfielders that allowed him to excel though, so I'm sceptical.
 
VP89 said:
Ed Woodward appears to want to buy a marquee player for the sake of a statement in my opinion. He's bid 100m+ for Mueller Bale Neymar in the last 3 seasons so the trend is apparent.

As for the best young player in the world - highly subjective. I disagree, especially after his supposedly inconsistent form last season according to most Juve fans.
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And there's nothing wrong with attempting to buy the best players in the world. No club in their right mind, who have the resources to do so, wouldn't pursue the likes of Bale, Neymar, Muller, and Pogba. This is not the penny pinching United of Fergie's final years any more.
 
ADJUDICATOR said:
Not sure it's that stark. More like there are some in the 'Pogba is world class and is about to enter his prime years' camp and others saying 'Pogba's overrated, very good but not worth the money at the cost of rounding up the midfield in general better'.

I don't think he's quite world class yet and wouldn't call him a better midfielder than Verratti, or a better attacking mid than James Rodriguez but like Rodriguez his image transcends pure footballing terms. We don't have anything close to Pirlo/Vidal/Marchisio calibre midfielders that allowed him to excel though, so I'm sceptical.
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I'm not taking a stance in the world class/very good/who is better than him-debate, as I honestly believe those discussions to be the most pointless and boring ones on this forum.

I would love to see Pogba back at United, simply because he is making the game I pay to watch more entertaining, and due to the fact that much more capable people than me find him good enough to spent a fortune on him. If they want to spend the money, I would love to watch him play for my club. Easy as.
 
VP89 said:
Ed Woodward appears to want to buy a marquee player for the sake of a statement in my opinion. He's bid 100m+ for Mueller Bale Neymar in the last 3 seasons so the trend is apparent.
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Not sure what wrong with Woodie trying to do that. Had we managed to sign any of those players, we all would be over the moon & in a better shape as a team.
 
Raoul said:
And there's nothing wrong with attempting to buy the best players in the world. No club in their right mind, who have the resources to do so, wouldn't pursue the likes of Bale, Neymar, Muller, and Pogba. This is not the penny pinching United of Fergie's final years any more.
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baanke laal said:
Not sure what wrong with Woodie trying to do that. Had we managed to sign any of those players, we all would be over the moon & in a better shape as a team.
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Pogba is a level below Bale and Neymar. I could be wrong but I remember some gasps at the 100m+ being offered for Mueller. These 3 players are already there, on a world class level performing consistently.

Pogba is very good, likely to be world class (I'm defining WC as being in the top 5 in your position here, I know there are different definitions of the term). I don't think someone who is 'virtually there' is worth the same fee and insane wages as someone who is established as one of the best in their position at a consistent level.

And 12m EUR net wages? If that's true that's what, 250k EUR per week net of taxes. Its on a new level of crazy, you'd only reserve that sort of a transfer for a small handful. I don't think Pogba makes that cut.
 
VP89 said:
Pogba is a level below Bale and Neymar. I could be wrong but I remember some gasps at the 100m+ being offered for Mueller. These 3 players are already there, on a world class level performing consistently.

Pogba is very good, likely to be world class (I'm defining WC as being in the top 5 in your position here, I know there are different definitions of the term). I don't think someone who is 'virtually there' is worth the same fee and insane wages as someone who is established as one of the best in their position at a consistent level.

And 12m EUR net wages? If that's true that's what, 250k EUR per week net of taxes. Its on a new level of crazy, you'd only reserve that sort of a transfer for a small handful. I don't think Pogba makes that cut.
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He really isn't a level below them as young midfielders go, especially when you consider the others are already in their prime whereas Pogba is just entering it. Its therefore natural that his implied valuation is comparable to theirs.
 
Moonred said:
Would the folks who wouldn't want him be indifferent if anyone else in the league got him?
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If Liverpool, City, or Chelsea got him we'd all be bricking it, including our conscientious CAF bankers who are so obsessed with his price.
 
Raoul said:
He really isn't a level below them as young midfielders go, especially when you consider the others are already in their prime whereas Pogba is just entering it. Its therefore natural that his implied valuation is comparable to theirs.
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They should look at Pobga's valuation & compare it with SAF chucking around 28m for a very young Rooney back then. Should he be valued at that price? No. Was it worth it? Yes, it was a bargain.

Pogba falls in the same category too.
 
Raoul said:
He really isn't a level below them as young midfielders go, especially when you consider the others are already in their prime whereas Pogba is just entering it. Its therefore natural that his implied valuation is comparable to theirs.
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The best central midfielders never command the same sort of fee as the best attackers though. Even in today's market, a prime Messi will always be worth a fair bit more than a prime Iniesta.

Outside of Renato Sanches, I can't think of any young central midfielders that would command such a fee. We don't have a big market to go by, mind. Kroos transferred to Madrid not so long ago, you have Rakitic too. The prices were no where near (I accept Pogba is > Rakitic but not by 60 odd million).
 
Raoul said:
If Liverpool, City, or Chelsea got him we'd all be bricking it, including our conscientious CAF bankers who are so obsessed with his price.
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I would be, I hope he moves from Juventus though. Chelsea looking to get Kante doesnt help. Not really many other good targets left.
 
VP89 said:
The best central midfielders never command the same sort of fee as the best attackers though. Even in today's market, a prime Messi will always be worth a fair bit more than a prime Iniesta.

Outside of Renato Sanches, I can't think of any young central midfielders that would command such a fee. We don't have a big market to go by, mind. Kroos transferred to Madrid not so long ago, you have Rakitic too. The prices were no where near (I accept Pogba is > Rakitic but not by 60 odd million).
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Midfielders are certainly capable of commanding high fees. Zidane broke the transfer record when he moved to Madrid. Furthermore, there's no magical rule that says high transfer fees can only be considered for attackers. What matters in the end, is the perceived valuation of the player by both the buying and selling clubs.
 
I was always off the stance of him not being worth the money. But after considering other options out there it seems there is no other alternatives which could be realistically purchased. Yes it's 100m but if he turns into the best midfield player in the world then it's good business. If you list the top 10 players in the world pogba would be included on the list. Try and buy any player off that same list and your 100m would be laughed at.
 
AbusementPark said:
I was always off the stance of him not being worth the money. But after considering other options out there it seems there is no other alternatives which could be realistically purchased. Yes it's 100m but if he turns into the best midfield player in the world then it's good business. If you list the top 10 players in the world pogba would be included on the list. Try and buy any player off that same list and your 100m would be laughed at.
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If we win a few leagues and a CL or two with Pogba as an influential player, then no one will remember his cost.
 
VP89 said:
The best central midfielders never command the same sort of fee as the best attackers though. Even in today's market, a prime Messi will always be worth a fair bit more than a prime Iniesta.
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Central midfielders usually are the guys that control the game and play second fiddle to the attackers - Pogba is of a rare breed of midfielders who are a genuine match-winners themselves (with a goal or an assist, not with the build-up or "pre-assist" like Iniesta). It doesn't mean that he's better than Verratti, for example, but in vacuum (if PSG weren't loaded with money) he would've cost more than him even though their level is, at least, comparable
 
AbusementPark said:
I was always off the stance of him not being worth the money. But after considering other options out there it seems there is no other alternatives which could be realistically purchased. Yes it's 100m but if he turns into the best midfield player in the world then it's good business. If you list the top 10 players in the world pogba would be included on the list. Try and buy any player off that same list and your 100m would be laughed at.
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Potentially, he may be a top 5 player. But I very much doubt that he is already a top 10 one. List top 10 players and you will end up excluding someone like Iniesta or Modric or Müller or Lewandowksi from the list. Pogba is not there yet.
 
It's about time that someone mails this thread to Mourinho's pager.

VP89 said:
Pogba is a level below Bale and Neymar. I could be wrong but I remember some gasps at the 100m+ being offered for Mueller. These 3 players are already there, on a world class level performing consistently.

Pogba is very good, likely to be world class (I'm defining WC as being in the top 5 in your position here, I know there are different definitions of the term). I don't think someone who is 'virtually there' is worth the same fee and insane wages as someone who is established as one of the best in their position at a consistent level.

And 12m EUR net wages? If that's true that's what, 250k EUR per week net of taxes. Its on a new level of crazy, you'd only reserve that sort of a transfer for a small handful. I don't think Pogba makes that cut.
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I don't think it's the right thing to do to compare Pogba with guys who are different type of players and i like to add to that that guys like Mueller go through rough spells as well. The second half of the last Bundesliga season, Guardiola didn't drop Mueller against Atletico just for fun and of course his abysmal Euros. He really isn't performing consistently on a world class level, Neymar had similar problems, imo. Age should be also taking into account, don't forget that Mueller is already 26 years of age, soon 27. The Pog is still sweet 23. :drool:

I don't think that we're talking about €12 mil net wages, ~£13 mil before tax is more likely. Furthermore there will be huge pocket money for him, at least £10, imo. I don't think Juve will counter that, maybe they could, but it would harm their wage structure, imo.
 
Raoul said:
If we win a few leagues and a CL or two with Pogba as an influential player, then no one will remember his cost.
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No one talks about Ronaldo 7 years ago and we should've learned from this experience. Bale is already off the hook, as is James Rodriguez.
 
Odds now FWIW:

Move to united 1.57
Remain at Juve 2.25

This is a slight drift as I put on Pogba to stay at midday yesterday at 2.75

I feel this is worth posting as, although they have their own ulterior motives, bookies are generally the most ITK people around
 
T00lsh3d said:
Odds now FWIW:

Move to united 1.57
Remain at Juve 2.25

This is a slight drift as I put on Pogba to stay at midday yesterday at 2.75

I feel this is worth posting as, although they have their own ulterior motives, bookies are generally the most ITK people around
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Don't worry, this thread has a standard far below what you just posted.
 
T00lsh3d said:
Odds now FWIW:

Move to united 1.57
Remain at Juve 2.25

This is a slight drift as I put on Pogba to stay at midday yesterday at 2.75

I feel this is worth posting as, although they have their own ulterior motives, bookies are generally the most ITK people around
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I'm just going to say this for your own sake, going forward in life: No, they are not. They are really not.
 
T00lsh3d said:
Odds now FWIW:

Move to united 1.57
Remain at Juve 2.25

This is a slight drift as I put on Pogba to stay at midday yesterday at 2.75

I feel this is worth posting as, although they have their own ulterior motives, bookies are generally the most ITK people around
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Are you taking the piss? It's just traders putting money down to ensure they get a profit. Odds mean absolutely nothing.
 
verminater said:
Why has this thread turned into playground psychology?
(And noone has mentioned Pavlov's dogs yet)
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I think it's spelt P O G B A and I hope the fact they'll have to be quarantined doesn't put him off but the wages he'll be getting will certainly have him salivating.
 
I still don't think he's coming back, but I don't understand the complaining about the proposed fee. I recall people saying similar things about Bale when he cost more than Ronaldo, and now we're hearing that Pogbs isn't worth 'Bale money'. In a few years we'll likely be hearing how the next big thing isn't worth 'Pogba money'.
 
baanke laal said:
They should look at Pobga's valuationn & compare it with SAF chucking around 28m for a very young Rooney back then. Should he be valued at that price? No. Was it worth it? Yes, it was a bargain.

Pogba falls in the same category too.
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No need to go back that far
Mata was offloaded to us 3 years ago for 40million.
How much would that be in today's market?
And that was for an unwanted player with less rep.
 
Raoul said:
He really isn't a level below them as young midfielders go, especially when you consider the others are already in their prime whereas Pogba is just entering it. Its therefore natural that his implied valuation is comparable to theirs.
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He will always be below this level of player in terms of goals and limelight though. We are paying top dollar here way over the odds for a midfielder! I want him here but those are just obvious facts. It's like buying a young Steve G in some ways.
 
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