You're not catching on are you. You don't get emotionally invested in a transfer that has not taken place yet. Once they player is ours, then you can get excited.
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You're not catching on are you. You don't get emotionally invested in a transfer that has not taken place yet. Once they player is ours, then you can get excited.
End in a new contract for Pogba or Real Madrid just offer €90m and speedily get it done.
Its only a saga because the thread is long. It could be a very cut and dry situation between the clubs.
NFL is a completely different ball game.
You see what I did there?!
A man of my heart!
Wouldn't surprise me.
My facebook has been flooded daily for the last 2 weeks with articles about Pogba from the guardian or motd. I can't escape this story
I find it interesting that Mino has given us a timeline to complete a deal that he himself is seemingly incharge of completing
Reading the Caf every summer you realize why top negotiators like Raiola get paid so much and why it is justified. Zero bottle and gameness in most on here.
Unnecessary dig at our Danny.
I am catching on hero but your logic is dumb. One can't get excited/invested because the transfer hasn't happened yet? Eh? In the same way would you say journalists shouldn't continue to report on the progress and should only report on it once it's done? People will get excited by rumours, it's human nature let it happen without bringing the negativity on them. (My last post btw)
I hope you're not questioning my shit sources.
...this is going to go on all through the summer isn't it....
who me , never
No. As repeated a thousand times The manager himself said he doesnt want to sign a player late in the window. If Juve/pogba stall we will move along and probably sign Gomes
Your original post still stands imo. If MUFC get Mino to make an offer which is rejected then i'd assume the content of your link would mean that Mino either wants MUFC to make another bid straight away that would force the move or give up and end the speculation.
Well yes, its not rocket science. If you haven't a bought a player, then its really fecking dumb to get excited about it as if you have, because they could theoreticaly not come. Then whose logic is dumb ? You clearly aren't up to snuff on these matters so best to bow out now.
I think people are getting excited about the prospect of potentially having him back on our books, not celebrating like we have signed him. There might be some whose posts come across like that, but surely getting excited about something potentially hugely beneficial to the club is human nature?
You may be a hardened veteran of muppet season and seen it all but a lot of us aren't and are just enjoying the ride (or we should be).
I'm on the side that this is happening, bar a U-turn from Real.
You don't need to be a "hardened veteran" to know not to count your chickens.
But he wasn't really saying that, he was telling people that we shouldn't be excited about the potential transfer, until the transfer is done and official.
It's like being told as a kid that you 'might' be getting an amazing present that you have wanted for a long time, however you can't get excited about it because it might not happen.
Last post on this, getting off topic a bit. Apologies.
I get that bit, but that's also where mass disappointment takes over once something doesn't happen, which if you've been here over the past decade is extremely often. If you get excited about the idea of buying a player you are also setting yourself up for the risk of massive disappointment when it inevitably doesn't happen. If you approach things with a moderate and sensible attitude that it will happen once there is official confirmation, then you are hedging out the risk of disappointment, and can actually get excited once its a done deal. You literally can't lose if you do the latter.
I don't think his point was originally about people getting excited. That's fine. It's when people go the other way and start getting mopey for no reason because the transfer hasn't been completed relative to some arbitrary timeline they have in their mind. "My inner muppet is dying, I think if this isn't done by Friday then blah blah blah" kinda thing
I can understand that logic, that is completely reasonable. I might have taken the wrong meaning to your post my friend.
That's a bit harsh and strictly not true. Yeah of course you would be stupid to start buying shirts and getting tattoos of players that haven't signed. But if there were rumours of a big name coming to United, you would not be human if you did not get excited at the prospect of them coming to the club. Look at the furore around Mourinho and Ibra LONG BEFORE they signed. And they technically could have had an 11th hour change of heart. Nearly everyone was 'excited' about them coming to United, long before they actually signed.
And therein lies the problem. It's not human to do so, as there are humans who don't get particularly excited and those who do. Its a choice, and when you look back at all the big transfers that were supposed to happen but didn't, not a particularly wise one. There is literally no loss by waiting until a player is presented before letting the excitement out, as opposed to getting excited about something that based on historical precedent, isn't likely to happen.
NFL is a completely different ball game.
You see what I did there?!
Yeah, I get that. Just meant that when you look at the contracts for the upper echelon of pro athletes, lunacy is the best word to describe them in general. Why do we not care about paying another team 100 million pounds just for the rights to the player and then turn around shake our heads at how much we pay the player?
Why has this thread turned into playground psychology?
(And noone has mentioned Pavlov's dogs yet)
(And noone has mentioned Pavlov's dogs yet)
I don't get why this is a problem?? You're saying it's not human to do so but then you're saying some people do and some people don't?? Fine you may be in the not excited camp, but there are many who would be. Isn't that the whole point of all these speculation threads??
And you're telling me you were completely indifferent when news of Mourinho and Ibrahimovic first broke?? The threads are full of fans getting completely excited at the prospect of them coming to United, which sorry, is a perfectly normal human reaction. Personally I'm very excited at the prospect of Pogba re-joining United but I'm also fully mindful of the fact that it may never happen.
At the end of the day, does it really matter?
Ultimately we're just discussing the pros and cons of it. I laid out the case of why its a choice and why that choice is a bad idea. There is no golden rule of transfers that mandates people behave like hysterical teenagers each time United are interested in signing someone.
Because transfer fees don't directly relate to wages. Blow the transfer record out of the water and the ongoing impact of that is inflation to future transfers of a similar level, possibly a lift across the board but not necessarily and doesn't have any impact on existing squad members.
Pay Pogba £450k per week and every single contract negotiation for every single player suddenly gets a lot more expensive.
This thread has run out of steam.
Because there's no news and there likely won't be any until there's something conclusive from the player, agent, or clubs.
Feck lads, absolutely unreal in here. Let's just temper expectations: be excited, absolutely. I for one love the muppet banter in here during transfer season, but getting emotional is what's unacceptable and frankly tedious. One can certainly allow themselves to get excited over a transfer, but let's remember that no one wants to read mopey, hysterical, depressing shite, especially when there's no news for a few days. I imagine it's somewhat hypocritical of me to say this after writing an essay, but sometimes our opinions are best kept to ourselves.
I may have had a few too many.
I may have had a few too many.
Guess I'm gonna have to get that Pogba tattoo removed from my bum.
Strange name for a dildo
Hold your horses, we might sign either of his brothers.
I guess you just want someone to touch your bum though, so go ahead.
Knew I'd spelled it wrong.
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SteveJs bum aside, I dont get why people are against us signing Pogba though.
The excuses I've seen in here is:
Anyways, I'm gonna give you the correct answer to this entire thread (sorry):
Pogba is worth as much as the exact amount that we're willing to pay for him. Let's be honest; No one in this entire world is worth any of the fees that are going around in football. If we ignore the previous statement, let us take a look at what determines a players worth:
This is one of the reasons why the likes of Troy Deeny is touted for insane amounts of money (in the general publics view), as the perceived demand of the buying club is so high for a player of Troy Deenys profile. We can agree or disagree with the people in charge of these decisions and to claim that they are crazy to require someone with his profile enough to bid these high sums. Yet, Raniere (or someone at the club) has identified the players as someone that the club needs, and they've valued this need and profile at the level of which they've submitted a bit.
I could go on and on about this, but I'm starting to get sick of reading / writing this post already.
The point is; Manchester United values the need of a player with the exact attributes of Paul Pogba to (lets say) £100m. This is either because they appriciate his talent, they need to fill a demand for a player of his profile at the club, or we possess the economic muscle to accept that Juventus values him at £100m and to concede to paying what they want. Because if the perceived need is big enough, we cast aside our own valuation and accept a different valuation to fulfill our need.
This is why I find it ridiculous that posters come up with the numeric excuses for not wanting him, as I posted above. The club values this player to a certain degree, not 2-3 others who does not fit the profile. They have the economy to back up the valuation set by the selling club, and the people in charge has indentified the need.
I'm just happy that we're looking like we're signing one of the best midfielders in the world, according to his fellow professional peers.
The excuses I've seen in here is:
- Too expensive
- He is not good enough
- We're better off spending the cash on multiple others
- Afraid that it'll mess up our economy
- Not what we need
- Embarassing to buy him back
Anyways, I'm gonna give you the correct answer to this entire thread (sorry):
Pogba is worth as much as the exact amount that we're willing to pay for him. Let's be honest; No one in this entire world is worth any of the fees that are going around in football. If we ignore the previous statement, let us take a look at what determines a players worth:
- The importance of the player for his current team
- The happyness of the player at his current team
- The lenght of contract at his current team
- The demand of the buying club
- The economic boundaries that the selling club is operating within
- The economic boundaries that the buying club is operating within
- The potential RoI of the player
- The ability of the player
- The marketability of the player
- The market / levels of value of players in the current market
This is one of the reasons why the likes of Troy Deeny is touted for insane amounts of money (in the general publics view), as the perceived demand of the buying club is so high for a player of Troy Deenys profile. We can agree or disagree with the people in charge of these decisions and to claim that they are crazy to require someone with his profile enough to bid these high sums. Yet, Raniere (or someone at the club) has identified the players as someone that the club needs, and they've valued this need and profile at the level of which they've submitted a bit.
I could go on and on about this, but I'm starting to get sick of reading / writing this post already.
The point is; Manchester United values the need of a player with the exact attributes of Paul Pogba to (lets say) £100m. This is either because they appriciate his talent, they need to fill a demand for a player of his profile at the club, or we possess the economic muscle to accept that Juventus values him at £100m and to concede to paying what they want. Because if the perceived need is big enough, we cast aside our own valuation and accept a different valuation to fulfill our need.
This is why I find it ridiculous that posters come up with the numeric excuses for not wanting him, as I posted above. The club values this player to a certain degree, not 2-3 others who does not fit the profile. They have the economy to back up the valuation set by the selling club, and the people in charge has indentified the need.
I'm just happy that we're looking like we're signing one of the best midfielders in the world, according to his fellow professional peers.
Also the fact that you've absolutely put your foot down, and the muppets are sh*t scared to indulge into discussing non-transfer traits of Pogba. That kind of activity kept the muppetry going during slow/no news days.
I generally don't understand the anti-Pogba logic either. He's one of the best young players in the world and we are preparing for an assault on the league and the CL the following year. Why wouldn't we want a Paul Pogba who is just entering his prime career years to be a central part of that. Its a fairly easy choice.
Well yes, we're not going to be discussing his hair.