Ah I see what you're saying now sorry! I think you're right it seems we must persevere with him as long as he's here.
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Yeah. That game wasn't the sole reason for his wanting out. He's talked about this. Fergie rated him, but nowhere near enough.
Our midfield was impotent last year
You see, that part is ridiculous. As if Fergie had to jump through hoops for Pogba, that's that type of attitude that I'm criticising.
I don't know about priorities. If we can get a player who'll be a world class midfielder for the next 7-8 years in all liklelihood, then I'd be happy with the Lingard/Memphis/Young/Tony option on the right.
It's like being able to get Neymar, Muller, just in the middle where we've not been great for over a decade.
Kante and Pogba together at OT next season would be formidable - in French or English.
Mourinho brings in Ibrahimobvic, Pogba and an attacking winger, we'll win the league in the first season.
4 other positions more important than central midfield? We're going to be stuck with 35 year old Carrick in there for another year as things stand.
Yes,
If he has a fabulous euros you could see him being their muppet Galactico summer signing, especially with his countryman Zidane in charge now.
We could certainly make good use of his talent. That said he is a bit of a luxury player and if we buy him for crazy money, we should use him in his best role and build the team around him. I´ll punch a puppy if he ends up as (central) midfielder with a lot of defensive responsibility (e.g. in a 4231 as part of the double pivot)
hard not to with our wide options and attack of Rooney and 19 year olds.
We have Schweinsteiger, Herrera, Mata, Schneiderlin, Blind, Fellaini(yeah I know), Carrick and most likely Rooney for 3 positions next year.
In attack we will have most probably Ibra, Martial(who will also play most likely on the left due to lack of options), Depay who is a bit shit and Rashford who is very young. Apart from Martial on the left our wide options are a bit crap as well. That and CB + probably RB should be the priority for this Summer IMO.
I agree, there's a lot of revisionism going on about his time at United purely becuase of how well he's done at Juve. He'd played a couple games and was quite poor. Ferguson still kept him in the first team squad despite this and he definitely wasn't doing enough with the u21s to demand a starting place, and no 18 year old should be demanding that kind of privilege at a club of our level anyway. Very unfortunate that he left but his agent pushed for that move, wasn't Ferguson's fault really in my opinion, despite popular belief.
So you don't think it was a mistake to have his contract run down like that given how serious his potential was?
Very underwhelming wide options to say at least. Most likely for Pogba's money we can bring in Griezmann and a good right option in 2 positions that we really need strengthening. Can't see Pogba leaving for less than 80m pounds after the EURO..
I think that was, but that doesn't rest solely at Ferguson's feet plus who knows how long negotiations went on for, especially knowing how difficult Raiola can be at times.
With a fantastic midfield I'd have little worries. I'd certainly have Pogba over Griezman and a squad player.
Carrick will be a backup. We have 7 players that play there as things stand. Not to mention TFM and Pereira and other youngsters. Not saying we shouldn't get one this summer but not brake the world record on it.
I'm not saying his agent isn't a c***, which he is, very much so, probably thunderous one at that, but, he was too good a prospect to not ensure his long-term future with us. And it was a huge mistake, no revisionist thing about it.
Why not bring up Herrera, Bastian and Morgan who have all been worse than Rooney in midfield? Just because he's Rooney he's apparently the one that needs to be benched, it's ridiculous.
In my opinion, we shouldn't sign Ibrahimovic and play Rooney upfront. He isn't a midfielder and hasn't been good there, not being terrible doesn't make him good.
It's not just because he's Rooney it's because he's not cutting it any longer. If anything I'd say the opposite it's because he's Rooney he'll be in the team. Those other players you listed are not the issue. I don't think benching Rooney would be ridiculous.
Pogba would take our midfield to a new level but I don't think his arrival will affect Rooney, probably on a positive way. More competition means better pool of players to select from.
Wayne is still one of England's best players and even if he's in decline he still good enough to compete with the best in the league.
Wayne is still one of England's best players and even if he's in decline he still good enough to compete with the best in the league.
He' still not signed lads. Juventus is a tough club to get a bargain from. And it seems we might have competition from Real Madrid who has a lot of interesting players to offer Juve.
http://en.as.com/en/2016/06/06/football/1465218501_091169.html
http://en.as.com/en/2016/06/06/football/1465218501_091169.html
That article is crap. Zidane has been the one big advocate of Navas yet the article says that De Gea is on his transfer targets list...
Not saying that Zidane wouldn't be interested in Pogba (he most certainly is) but the article is still crap.
There is a thread on Glazers so we can continue discussing there. Needless to say,I completely disagree with everything on your post. MUST is strong with you, it seems.
I'm expecting you've been involved in some sarcastic banter with someone, and i'm missing the irony of this.
But no one can seriously think Rooney can still cut it as main striker for a club like us. He's absolutely shot away.
Strolling round mid playing some nice easy passes is his new role. As sad as it is to see.
Ibra is a proper big time forward, strength, height, skills, and goals.
As for Pogba, no chance at all of this one. So i'll be off.
He was 19, and Cleverley was starting each game. I got depressed at home watching Cleverley in a shitty stream, now you can imagine a talent like Pogba watching him each week there and thinking why on Earth that is happening.
And to make things even worse, when Cleverley wasn't playing, Anderson was playing. And the SAF returned an ancient Scholes. And played Park and Rafael in midfield in a game where every midfielder of us was injured (well Carrick was playing in defense). Pogba knew how good he was, but United didn't. The cocky fecker won and proved SAF as wrong as anyone ever proved him.
No banter, if the choice is to play Rooney upfront or play Rooney in midfield, I choose the former and I don't even think that he will be terrible. If Ibrahimovic means that we have to destroy our midfield than he isn't worth it, Ibrahimovic isn't going to compensate a dreadful midfield.
He isn't, but i'd probably prefer the top class player in the most advanced position, so he can create out of nothing.
Rooney up front doesn't have any physical capability. Can't head it, can't out muscle anyone, isn't going to out run many, and not the best with his back to goal either.
It's a real headscratcher what to do. Best bet is to camouflage him around 2 mobile mids.
Rooney got two goals in the league in the first half last season and that was primarily playing up front. It was only Martial and Rashford showing him up that he got moved around from playing up front. He isn't good enough there anymore.
To me that's not a good strategy, you don't weaken the engine. A strong midfield will compensate an average defense or attack during the course of a season and Rooney still scored 8 goals in a team that creates nothing, he can easily double that in a team with a strong dominant midfield.
You play Rooney upfront or you don't play him at all, it's that simple.
I think Fergie probably did know that Pogba had huge potential, but maybe let him go as he thought PP had an attitude problem ; at 18, with no experience to speak of, he starts making demands, no top manager will allow that, even in a player with massive potential. As it turns out, yes he has progressed into a huge talent, but would he be that player had he stayed at OT and played under Moyes and LvG ? Probably not, but we will never know.
He left in the summer at 19 his birthday is in march and we were told at christmas he would not sign a new deal. 18 he was telling Fergie what to do.... should of had his legs brok the cheeky cnut
I agree, so he shouldn't be playing.
No.8 wouldn´t be bad with the rumors about Mata are true... But I think it will be Real Madrid No.10 (instead of James).What number do you think he will be so I can get my shirt printed
Maybe Mourinho is using a tactic of buying a few top quality midfielders to out-compete Rooney for a place in the side, and with centre forward already that way he'll be forced to the bench and to look for another club...
Sigh.
Just fantasising...
Sigh.
Just fantasising...
Messi hasn't been the best player in Barca this year. I rather have Pogba. Pogba is pure class - he'd be our new Captain Marvel.