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Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”
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He just gets the fat boy to do it for him.
I'm going to be honest. This thread is mildly entertaining in a way. It's mostly ridiculous rhetoric, some of you are certifiably mad.
Agreed, it's a good read
Some in here are absolutely unhinged.Agreed, it's a good read
Yeah, he will be getting more than that no matter what happens, here or any club in Europe.
Your own personal dislike of the player is twisting your view of him and his worth.
You talk like he’s one of our worst performers, absolutely revisionist nonsense. Whenever fit he is invariably one of our best performers, his post match performance thread reflects this, allowing for the odd poor performance that every single player has.
I can accept people disliking him (if they have to, it’s weird and childish, but whatever) but trying to make everybody believe he’s rubbish at football is just annoying.
I don't "dislike" Pogba, I just don't see what his defenders do. He's wildly inconsistent, he's got a shit agent and family who he won't tell to shut up and, to be honest, I'm sick of all the "well he plays brilliantly for France" as if that's got anything to do with playing in the PL.
I just don't think he's worth all the hullaballoo the Pogba FC posters come ouit with.
I would happily replace him with a lesser skilled but m,ore consistent player who fits in our system.
I wouldn't be too sure about this if you read some of the comments here. Some are way too far gone to do that.
I just want the saga ends.
Maybe have a little google about the use of terms such as "lazy" when directed at Black people. Maybe it hadn't occurred to you, but thanks to the oversensitivity of many white folks when this topic is raised, some of us prefer to go in more nuanced. It has nothing to do with courage; it's more to do with allowing for the predictable defensiveness and trying to raise the issue without accusation. Not everyone who attacks Pogba is a racist, in other words, whereas some are. And they know who they are; it's not up to me to decide who is and who isn't. Easy to accuse someone of lacking "balls" when you can hide behind a screen, my "brave" friend.
I say take the risk of Pogba walking away. We’ve brought in two world class players and are now a legitimate contender for the PL and CL.
Say we sell Pogba. You can say goodbye to any conversation about the PL and CL this year. And what would we get? At most 40-45m.
Say we sell Pogba. You can say goodbye to any conversation about the PL and CL this year. And what would we get? At most 40-45m.
Hiya - I personally struggling to get my head round this. Calling a player lazy is pretty common - whatever the pigment of their skin. No sure if im being ignorant or your view is more of an american viewpoint? How is calling a player who doesnt put his heart into it lazy somehow racist? No one would ever accuse Rashford of being lazy….Maybe have a little google about the use of terms such as "lazy" when directed at Black people. Maybe it hadn't occurred to you, but thanks to the oversensitivity of many white folks when this topic is raised, some of us prefer to go in more nuanced. It has nothing to do with courage; it's more to do with allowing for the predictable defensiveness and trying to raise the issue without accusation. Not everyone who attacks Pogba is a racist, in other words, whereas some are. And they know who they are; it's not up to me to decide who is and who isn't. Easy to accuse someone of lacking "balls" when you can hide behind a screen, my "brave" friend.
Maybe im an ignorant white guy but it feels like you are saying racist to someone who just doesnt like a certain player?
I was hoping the Pogba circus was going to be gone and done by the time the league started but it’s not is it
We’re going to have to listen to journo’s ask about his contract every week and hear Raiola soundbites constantly until somethings resolved.
We’re going to have to listen to journo’s ask about his contract every week and hear Raiola soundbites constantly until somethings resolved.
You’re not criticising the player though, you’re using some pseudo-psychology to talk about his mentality. There are plenty of justified examples of Pogba being underwhelming on the pitch to point to, but you question his mentality despite him being one of the accomplished players in the squad.
As far as comparable traits & your footballing acumen, not sure where that’s come from. abilities. I was talking about your ability to determine his mental capabilities based on watching play football 1/2 times a week, pictures on social media & heavily doctored interviews we see/read.
We all criticise players performances on this forum, that’s a tangible thing that plays out. Again, that isn’t what you were doing.
As for your last paragraph, we may as well sell the squad based on that drivel.
The only circus will be on this forum.I was hoping the Pogba circus was going to be gone and done by the time the league started but it’s not is it
We’re going to have to listen to journo’s ask about his contract every week and hear Raiola soundbites constantly until somethings resolved.
If he stays (which I have always said will happen) he will play a massive role for the club next season and will enjoy himself like every other player. There is a weird segment of the fan base that continuously attack him, even during an international competition and over a summer where he hasn't said that much, or enough to get the pitchforks out.
Remember cristiano's comment about being a slave? Look how much he is idolised and had been since the summer of 09.
Raiola is a cnut I will give you that but Pogba is one of our own. He has spent alot of his time in the North west and loves the club.
This is it in one sentence.
Posters make comments as if they’ve met the man that contradict the large majority of positive comments that come from his teammates etc.
Bruno spoke about how he helped him look for a house & really made him feel welcome [one of many positive stories] yet posters will still tell you he’s a ‘cancer’ in the dressing room etc.
His performances aren’t simply criticised cause he’s crap [something he has been many times for us], it’s always because he ‘can’t be arsed’, ‘trying to be smart’ etc.
@Vanrouge has hit the nail on the head elsewhere in this post.
I feel like the conversation has been taken out of our hands. The only party it suits for Pogba to leave in this window, is United. We have no say at this stage.
I have tried arguing this to no avail. The ‘circus’ is in people’s minds and in the media, not the locker room or on the pitch where it counts.
Not everyone. There will be smart teams who will look at him say there is no way they are going to be paying him what he might be asking for, even if he was a free signing
Unless PSG comes in, that is what he is likely to do. If he is not sold this summer, he is off next year.
https://www.skysports.com/football/...at-man-utd-but-may-wait-on-contract-extension
Maybe have a little google about the use of terms such as "lazy" when directed at Black people. Maybe it hadn't occurred to you, but thanks to the oversensitivity of many white folks when this topic is raised, some of us prefer to go in more nuanced. It has nothing to do with courage; it's more to do with allowing for the predictable defensiveness and trying to raise the issue without accusation. Not everyone who attacks Pogba is a racist, in other words, whereas some are. And they know who they are; it's not up to me to decide who is and who isn't. Easy to accuse someone of lacking "balls" when you can hide behind a screen, my "brave" friend.
So we're not allowed to think a player can be lazy just because some racists use it to stereotype black people? The only "oversensitivity" is from people like you who just assume racism is the cause of all things. I'm going to give people the benefit of the doubt that people dislike Pogba for legitimate reasons (as there are many) and not racism. But sure keep thinking racism is always the answer.
I don't think he was saying that. Least I hope not.
Give him the 400k a week he wants. He's a special special player im convinced if he didn't get injured in February/March time (When ever it was he got that injury) we'd of been in a title race come may that's how important he is! I can't for the life of me understand why some fans wanna see a player with his quality leave the football club it blows my mind. Moments like what he done against Spurs in the first game back from the covid break he comes on and completely changes the game by beating his man and winning the penalty, done it against AC Milan in the Europa aswell and thats just a few examples. He's got things in his locker no player in the world has!
Imagine being shocked that some of the criticism in here could be down to racism and stereotypes. With all that's been going on in the last few years...
I was hoping the Pogba circus was going to be gone and done by the time the league started but it’s not is it
We’re going to have to listen to journo’s ask about his contract every week and hear Raiola soundbites constantly until somethings resolved.
I think it’s worse if he leaves and we have to deal with the Paul Pogba thread being bumped every time he scores a worldie for PSG. Look at how toxic the Lukaku thread can get
Can't even be mentioned in the same breath as Ronaldo, especially in terms of his standing with supporters. Ronaldo gave everything for United, won us so much and was a model professional. We always knew he wanted Madrid at some point, yet he gave us another year when asked and played amazing. No hard feelings towards him from any United supporters.
Pogba on the other hand. Came for huge money, massive fanfare, media circus, arguing with managers during hard times for the club and supporters. He's been inconsistent to say the least and still wants more money, acting like he's got the club over a barrel. Every year talk of leaving and he never squashes it out reassures that he wants to stay.
The guy is an absolute joke and those that defend him are mugs. He's taking the piss out of you all because he doesn't care about United or the supporters, only his legacy and pay cheque.
Fair points. I would hope that a large chunk of his wage is due to his brand/image. Because if we are going to give him the sort of money it’s going to take for him to stay then there’s going to be a queue of players looking for a lot more money and we don’t want to end up where Barca and Real are.
For what it’s worth I’d be happy if he signs a new contract that works for both parties He’s a massive talent and can win games off his own boot.
Just tired of the circus that he and his agent creates while helping to improve his brand at the expense of the clubs, also don’t love how he’s more or less holding the club to ransom.
We no longer have the Zebra kit so I expect his productivity to go down since he played better with Zebra costume on.
It's not only in the US. I'm not in the US. It's almost as if everyone forgot why Ron Atkinson (to use just one example) was fired in disgrace! As I said to the other person, you can easily google all this and find plenty of information. I shouldn't have to do the research for you. The internet is available to you and others equally. I don't want to quote from them, even though they're largely academic as the stereotypes are simply that cruel and hurtful. It's shocking to me that people claim to be ignorant of this stuff. The irony is that people trying to push back against the existence of this racist trope are themselves too lazy and oblivious to learn about it.
Right? It's stunning, and I can only put it down to wilful ignorance, a choice not to see what's right in front of them.
"People like you." That already says plenty. I'm going to stop engaging with you as you don't seem willing to discuss things rationally. Racism is the answer to nothing; it's a blight in our world. But you know that, don't you? What you're claiming I'm saying is not what I'm actually saying. It never ceases to amaze me that whenever someone raises the issue of possible racism, there are a few people willing to shout them down and use dismissive language such as "people like you," instead of just listening.
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How on earth is "people like you" offensive? What? I'm saying people who think like you. How else do I word it?
I'll try again. No one, including me, is saying that it's definitely racism behind the antipathy toward Pogba. What some of us are saying is that historical racist tropes are often being used to denigrate him, so it's certainly a possibility that racism, whether overt or subconscious, is behind some of the surprisingly vehement dislike shown to him from so many quarters. That's it.
There was everything wrong in that entire sentence. "Oversensitivity." Why not go all out and call me a snowflake, lol? (Trust me, I'm no snowflake.) Then you throw in "people like you," which as I said is dismissive. Then you pretend to read my mind with "who just assume racism is the cause of all things." No, I don't do that. I look at evidence. I've learned the history of racism and the use of certain tropes that have been used to shore up white supremacy over the centuries. I assume nothing, but I have a brain and eyes and ears and the capacity to learn, and some of the attacks on Paul Pogba have seemed depressingly familiar. I say it even more clearly and simply in post #3,862 in this thread.
Your instincts were right; I elaborated a little more.
Of course it looks familiar to you. You're trying to find it. Are people racist towards pogba? Sure: but there's nothing in this thread that I've seen where the first thought in your head should be "this person is racist". Obviously you'll disagree because you've already reached your conclusion about it all. And yes, you're acting like a snowflake if the phrase "people like you" sets you off. Have fun
Again, I'm not "trying to find it." I'm just not an oblivious person or a defensive person. I don't think it's present any more or less in this thread than everywhere else. But when I see him described as "lazy," see him criticized for his hair, ffs, and see attacks on his "entourage," I know what I'm seeing as we've seen it all before, and it's quite honestly depressing at this point that there are still people desperately trying to deny the existence of these historic slurs and cruelties. But you do you. It's a genuine shame you're not interested in listening and perhaps learning. Peace out.
But Pogba is a far better player than De Gea was. And Pogba is easily worth 30 mil or more if he just signs his contract. Pogba is wanted by many clubs for 30 mil unlike De gea. You are essentially kissing goodbye to 30 mil if you just let him go off on a free like this.
Shaw was criticized for both his entourage and being lazy. Sorry bro but you're attributing racism (of course it could be racism) when there's a much more obvious reason why people dislike him. But sure when it's said about pogba it reminds you that these people are racist
Probably a better fit into the team over a good player who can't operate effectively in the role the manager wants. Ole desperately wants him to be in a midfield 2, it just doesn't work. I don't think anyone bar City are getting the league as they're going to upgrade a team that was already well ahead of it's rivals. Oh and as Locatelli is available this summer for under 40 million and we've just signed one of the best defenders on the planet for 41 million, it shows this summer, there are deals to be done, so any fee would seriously be helpful in getting in the right player.
Pogba stays as he's going to battle it out with Rashford and Martial for the left side of the attack, so we're pretty stacked there to be honest. I believe he'll stay and leave summer 2022 for his big pay day before retirement. I'd personally rather the club sold him as things stand, but would love it if he could develop into the player Ole wants him to be.