Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”

Note the "maybe" part in that post. I wasn't making a statement one way or the other because, as I've said already, we just don't know all the facts. Partly because Pogba is reluctant to speak out on the issue, but mainly because we cannot trust a word Raiola says or the media for the that matter. As fans, we're pretty much in the dark, forced into a conclusion that may or may not be truth.

The truth is, If he signs a new contract then all this will be forgotten in an instant. His reasons for signing won't make any difference either; whether he was holding out for an improved contract, pressuring the club into showing ambition by making big signings or he simply wanted to keep his options open right up to the close of the transfer window. None of it will matter. Just so long as he signs, proving his dedication to the club.

But you have to admit, if he leaves on a free next season, then he would have stabbed the club in the back and be fully deserving of ridicule.
I agree with everything up to the last line really.
The bit about us being in the dark is so important. It's made so many draw lines in the sand and has created a very toxic environment. On that, I would say, yeah Pogba could have come out and put it to bed, but I still don't think we are deserving of it, as we just bite onto any and every tabloid sensational story and run with it as if its gospel.

On the last bit, I find it hard to see a player fulfilling his contractual obligations that the 2 parties agreed on as stabbing us in the back. It will hurt, no doubt, but you of all people know how stupendously badly run our club has been when it comes to contracts, how many players had their contracts ran to the final years in the last couple of years (Herrera an example), and renew deals for players like Jones and Lingard, Mata etc that make no sense. But again, we don't know what is happening behind the season, that make players get to the point where they in their final year and we have to get to this situation with Pogba.

The guy came to us at 23, he is 28 now and have given us what most see as he's best years, the next big contract will probably be his last. Its clear that he wants to win trophies and sadly his performances hasn't matched his ambitions. He has shown glimmers but never consistently as has been pointed out many times, and that's down to many factors, not wholly on him alone, just like the inconsistency of many of our players over the years of this "transition". He came here knowing that success was not guaranteed, and was hoping for the same fairytale we all thought was happening when he and Zlatan and co signed. The price tag on him has justifiably made the scrutiny on his inconsistencies much more painful to accept than say, Fred, who came on a big fee, but has more woefully underperformed for his price tag imo.
 
Just a point in wages. Some people saying likes of Liverpool won't pay 400k a week for Pogba.

Now I don't believe he would go to Liverpool but is a free Pogba at 400k cheaper/more expensive than say a player like VVD on 200k and the massive fee?
To some clubs the precedent could be very expensive. If we offered pogba 400k then Bruno surely has to get the same, etc
 
To some clubs the precedent could be very expensive. If we offered pogba 400k then Bruno surely has to get the same, etc

Yeah someone else said the same above. I was just wondering what the figures would be to be honest rather than it happening.

I mean if VVD with his fee is on 200k then a someone like Pogba with what he cost us as a freebie with 400k a week would be cheaper overall?

I suppose if they were to give a potential freebie a golden handshake and then 200k a week it doesn't affect the pay structure whilst the player technically could have got same amount as being on 400k.

Anyway it was just my musings. I get what you and the poster above are saying.
 
"Can't let him feel comfortable as a human being anymore". Are some of you actually a bit mad? This thread really is the perfect way to find out which posters' opinion are best left ignored. fecking hell.
 
Can we stop with banding about this thumb sucking 400k per week amount he is supposedly demanding or holding out for? But hey, at least its better than the PSG nonsense that everyone was hung on about for the last week.

Now that we already established (kinda) that the PSG links were all BS, despite it being treated as fact for almost a whole week, mainly because every other person kept posting about it like it was, we are on to the next thing.

If enough people keep saying 400k 400k 400k, then soon enough that too will be the latest "fact" in this Pogba saga, and another stick to beat the guy with, for "demanding so much yet plays like shite and is so toxic" etc.
 
Thanks for the reminder on how crucial Pogba was to this team until 2018-19. Unfortunately for him, after arrival of Bruno who has done everything Pogba could and more, his role has gradually diminished in the team. To the point that an argument can be made that replacing Pogba with a bit more limited but well-rounded player can actually improve the team.

We still needed Pogba last season when Bruno went off the boil. Thats the whole point of having a strong squad.
 
Can we stop with banding about this thumb sucking 400k per week amount he is supposedly demanding or holding out for? But hey, at least its better than the PSG nonsense that everyone was hung on about for the last week.

Now that we already established (kinda) that the PSG links were all BS, despite it being treated as fact for almost a whole week, mainly because every other person kept posting about it like it was, we are on to the next thing.

If enough people keep saying 400k 400k 400k, then soon enough that too will be the latest "fact" in this Pogba saga, and another stick to beat the guy with, for "demanding so much yet plays like shite and is so toxic" etc.
Do a quick google "Pogba 400k" and there are a ton of websites reporting it so people on here are justified to say it.
 
Can we stop with banding about this thumb sucking 400k per week amount he is supposedly demanding or holding out for? But hey, at least its better than the PSG nonsense that everyone was hung on about for the last week.

Now that we already established (kinda) that the PSG links were all BS, despite it being treated as fact for almost a whole week, mainly because every other person kept posting about it like it was, we are on to the next thing.

If enough people keep saying 400k 400k 400k, then soon enough that too will be the latest "fact" in this Pogba saga, and another stick to beat the guy with, for "demanding so much yet plays like shite and is so toxic" etc.
Isn't questioning his desire to sign a new contract, and the amount he is holding the club ransom for, something that fans have a right to discuss?

If reports are to be believed we've just signed a world Cup winning, 4 times CL, 3 times league winner for £250 K a week in Varane. Why would the club give Pogba more than that?
 
Preferably you'd want him to stay as he's a special talent and ,even with the issues regarding the team balance and his consistency at times, you'd never be able to replace his ability when he's on it, especially with the fee we're likely to receive.

It does seem though that ,if Pogba were to stay, we're going into the season with McTom and Fred again as our starting CM pair more often that not.

Even if we get in a decent amount for players such as Lingard, James and Dalot ( and a few others) the money coming in would likely go towards the signing of Trippier and I think that would close our window with regards to who's coming in.

But we desperately need that other midfielder. A deep lying playmaker of sorts.
 
Luckhurst has been right all summer, so this is most likely true. Ultimately he’s going to sign a new contract imo, Raiola negotiates and plays dirty, and the club don’t seem to have an issue dealing with him. It would also be a strange time for him to leave considering the direction we’re taking to becoming title challengers again.
I think you need to read the full article rather than a snippet in a tweet. He still signs it off with a sentence saying that he wants to leave and that the Utd players closest to him say that it's best if the club sells him as it is best for both.
 
Pogba is in a position where he can put to bed any suggestions questioning his commitment to the club by a) signing a new contract and/or b) releasing a statement confirming his desire to play for our club. Not at any point has he done either of those things.






What's stopping Pogba from following Kessie's example? Has any of his defenders stopped to consider for a moment that, maybe, just maybe, he is not committed to the club and is happy to take us for a ride?


You're wasting your time with them. They are bigger Pogba fanboys than they are United.
 
Pogba is 28. Will be 29 when the contract expires.

I don't really buy the narrative personally, but if it's true that he wants to leave due to underperformance then wouldn't it make sense for Pogba to wait 6 months? We finished 2nd and reached a European Final and have now added Varane and Sancho to that squad, with 1 or 2 more possibly coming.

If United are challenging, sign a new deal. If they're not challenging then you can sign a pre-contract with another team. Better for United to get a big fee while they can I agree, but also this team is very exciting and it would be a shame not to see him line up in Red with Varane and Sancho as teammates.
 
Isn't questioning his desire to sign a new contract, and the amount he is holding the club ransom for, something that fans have a right to discuss?

If reports are to be believed we've just signed a world Cup winning, 4 times CL, 3 times league winner for £250 K a week in Varane. Why would the club give Pogba more than that?
100% have a right to discuss. I'm just talking about treating the figure of 400k as gospel and then discussing it from that premise.

Isn't Pogba already getting more than him, as far as I know his on 290k per week.
The measure for salary has much more factors than trophies I would think though.
 
I think you need to read the full article rather than a snippet in a tweet. He still signs it off with a sentence saying that he wants to leave and that the Utd players closest to him say that it's best if the club sells him as it is best for both.

Just saw it now. That can be interpreted in two ways, obviously depending on your view of the player.
 
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Pogba is 28. Will be 29 when the contract expires.

I don't really buy the narrative personally, but if it's true that he wants to leave due to underperformance then wouldn't it make sense for Pogba to wait 6 months? We finished 2nd and reached a European Final and have now added Varane and Sancho to that squad, with 1 or 2 more possibly coming.

If United are challenging, sign a new deal. If they're not challenging then you can sign a pre-contract with another team. Better for United to get a big fee while they can I agree, but also this team is very exciting and it would be a shame not to see him line up in Red with Varane and Sancho as teammates.

Think various sources has said United want a decision from his this summer , e.g. they wont give him any contract offer after this summer. Rightfully so.

Might be a hollow threat though, but he might not get similar wages other places.
 
I personally hope we sell him this summer and get a quality CDM with that money who will fit Ole's system better.

But I have no doubts that wherever Pogba goes next, he'll probably do really well and be much more appreciated. He's the type of player who's world class in the right sysyem
 
He'll start the season on LW for us until Rashford returns. Following that he'll be on the bench or stinking up that CM spot. We're fools if we continue to try and shoehorn him into midfield alongside Fred or McTominay. But I feel like these big names get those involved at United a bit giddy and they'll be reluctant to see somebody of Pogba's marketability leave.

Ole likes having him about as he's a great player off the bench to roll the dice and try and get us out of the crap (eg AC Milan). But I'd like to think he can see what the majority of everyone else can, that we're dysfunctional with him in this team unless Bruno is dropped, which never happens and shouldn't.
 
Pogba is in a position where he can put to bed any suggestions questioning his commitment to the club by a) signing a new contract and/or b) releasing a statement confirming his desire to play for our club. Not at any point has he done either of those things.






What's stopping Pogba from following Kessie's example? Has any of his defenders stopped to consider for a moment that, maybe, just maybe, he is not committed to the club and is happy to take us for a ride?


We've been in this position countless times already with Pogba. He just creates a circus because he likes the attention and, deep down, doesn't give a crap about the supporters. Like you said he could easily set the record straight (we seem to say this every summer in the midst of his circus) but he doesn't. He actually fans the flames, in fact. Given the opportunity to leave for Real or Barca (they've never been daft enough) he'd be gone in a flash I reckon. He tries to bait interest but never gets it, which is why we always have this sort of situation with him.

He plays those at the club like fiddles.
 
Well I'm not going to argue about inconsistency, it doesn't seem to concern him as much as for example Bruno.
Many people confuse being inconsistent with having average performance.
I think an average game for Pogba is being inconsistent. People have a higher ceiling due to him being a class player.
Bruno towards the end of the season was criticised for his performance because we have come to expect much better. In a strange way that's a compliment to these standout players.
 
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Pogba is a professional and he plays every game to his best. The goals he scored against Milan and Switzerland proved how vital a player he is.
 
He'll start the season on LW for us until Rashford returns. Following that he'll be on the bench or stinking up that CM spot. We're fools if we continue to try and shoehorn him into midfield alongside Fred or McTominay. But I feel like these big names get those involved at United a bit giddy and they'll be reluctant to see somebody of Pogba's marketability leave.

Ole likes having him about as he's a great player off the bench to roll the dice and try and get us out of the crap (eg AC Milan). But I'd like to think he can see what the majority of everyone else can, that we're dysfunctional with him in this team unless Bruno is dropped, which never happens and shouldn't.
I think the club will snatch any money they can if they sense he's not going to sign a new contract. Which is of course the correct course of action.
 
The fact of the matter is that he doesn't really elevate us as a team, which is essentially what a player's output boils down to. It's not like we haven't tried every single permuation in terms of role or position under different managers either.

Obviously he has bags of talent and I'm sure that he's a nice enough guy, but I don't think it would be much of a blow to lose him in the scheme of things. It was definitely the correct decision to take a punt on him 5 years ago, but for someone with his ego (not in the negative sense) it must feel terrible that you've spent your prime years underperforming at club level.
 
What's stopping Pogba from following Kessie's example?
Money. There is an opportunity to get a big fat, long contract. Dragging it longer, means more desperation by the club and more money. He knows United very well. In the end, we will pay silly money.
 
Its crazy because Pogba is the first Worldclass player that nobody has the money to buy. Bit strange to be honest. If he doesn't sign an extension we need to move him on asap.
 
Am extension for him will come bite us back in the behind. It will be very weird to see him leave on a free but the club will get over it in a blink, but a new long term contract will bring so much drama and constant drain of resources that it will cost us for a long time
 
Don't let most professionals fool us about their love of the clubs, badge kissing ad chest-thumping. Financial gains matter in most cases and Pogba is no different to the majority.

As a fan of the club, my only consideration is wanting the best players to be playing which gives us the best chance of winning. If that includes Pogba in the squad that's well and good.
Changing subject but quite relevant to employment and the success of a particular business. Many companies have employees who are disliked but are very good at their jobs and bring success. Does Pogba give us a better team, and more chances of success despite the antics? That is what the coaches and the club owners will be evaluating.
I think it's fine to not do the chest thumping or the badge kiss but my gripe is the way Pogba in this scenario has put his needs above the club at all costs and I feel like that is not normal.

Moreover I'm sure the coaches and Ole are looking at the instability the agent disruption causes, the way it affects continuity and so on. These are major factors too.
 
He won't become a DDG or Sanchez because his skills aren't dependent on his age. It's pretty foolish to think that way. Hope he signs the deal and stay with us even if it means on an increased wage.
 
I’d suggest that the new realities of Covid economics haven’t struck home in some quarters. Or maybe there’s a bit of desperation in the Pogba/Raiola world: big question is; how badly do PSG want him? From a (admittedly) great distance, I sense insecurity in PP, and a huge need for approval. I heard he got some rebukes in the French camp, for neglect of defensive duties, including from Varane? My guess is - he wants to be loved at OT. Agent (thinking of his pocket) keeps telling him he is under appreciated and needs to leave.
I hadn’t heard that he was causing issues in the French camp for lackluster work rate defensively. To be fair, I watched all the France matches and it seemed like he was fully engaged, more so than he is with us.

I do think that teams see what we see as fans: a ridiculously talented player and athlete who is error prone in possession, has a poor defensive work rate, makes head scratching errors, tends to have a few injuries, and hasn’t shown consistency. Is a 28 year old with that type of history worth 50m?