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Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”
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if we win something important this year its worth more than 50m to me. pogba is a top player and will give us a bigger chance of winning. therefor it would be ok for me to risk it and not give in and sell him
I agree entirely
Exactly my thoughts as well. Could not have said it better.
Because that's exactly what he should be doing in midfield two. Why is that weird? The same criticism is aimed towards Fred and McTominay.
It's just very difficult role to play, especially in current United side.
Kante is a box to box player, very strong defensively but he also has a drive forward. I don't think it's beneficial to make him pure defensively focused player, as last season for Chelsea shown how much he can offer in general play.
Also, if Kante can't do it on his own (he clearly couldn't against Switzerland), I'd like the second midfielder to help him out even if that makes him play deeper and also less threatening. A lot of people think differently - that Pogba being creative force in midfield makes him immune to criticism concerning his off the ball performance. I strongly disagree with that statement simply because playing an attacking midfielder in center areas doesn't make us a better team. I prefer team balance over individual brilliance.
If he refuses to sign a new contract and plans to wait it out until next summer he shouldn't be selected for game.
I don't want us to bend over for him either, I'd rather we sold him now whilst he's still a valuable asset and used it to buy players who fit Oles system better, rather than shoehorn players in positions they shouldn't be in.
Coattails of others? Yea, France have been playing with 10 men ever since he got in the team on a regular basis.
The fact his own clubs ‘fanbase’ are acting as if he’s done nothing of note in his career shows this isn’t a ‘debate about his usefulness’, it’s a witch-hunt.
I agree, it’s about time he left but when your response to everything the lad has ever won is; ‘riding on others coattails’ then it’s not really a debate at that point.
I would agree. But if no one wants him to buy him now, because they aren't willing to pay his salary and transfer amount, then I think there is not much we could do.
He is back, he's just out of position....
I think if he stays without extending he just wont give his 100%. I'd be extremely nervous for example, when he defended a corner, took a penalty or was on a yellow card in a game. He surely wouldn't be playing his heart out for the team. I would rather give those minutes to Hanibal or Shoretire ( if we don't get anyone in).
Really disliked Mourinho's last year to 18 months here but maybe he did have a point in regards to Pogbas attitude.
Bang on.
Tbh I'd rather let him leaving on a free than giving him a new +400k pw contract.
He's not a first team starter anymore, he's an impact sub, a backup. Paying him +400k pw would be simply an insult for the ones who start. Eventually they'd ask for a big raise, rightfully so btw.
It's time to move on. Get €40-50 million for him this summer.
I don't think PSG will pay what we want and he'll leave on a free next summer. That or he signs a new ridiculous deal, right now those look the most likely to me.
I think the Sanchez episode was a deflection point in how the club handles its business with player transfers and salaries. I highly doubt we’d be handing out 400k weekly wage packets to anyone, let alone someone as inconsistent and troublesome as Pogba and his agent.
I agree. I've been saying this for a while now. Pundits, journalists, rival fans, I get. Many of them were desperate from the moment Pogba signed for us again that he fail. He (and a potentially resurgent United) scared them. But it's tragic how many United fans have fallen for this agenda-driven narrative.
See it being similar so De Gea, when the fax machine episode happened. PSG won't pay what we want, no transfer materializes and he signs a new deal once the window is closed.
Let's use your phrasing:
Pogba is a creative midfielder, very strong on the ball but also helps our defensively.
Despite this, your expectations of Pogba compared to another class midfielder is entirely different. Why isn't that weird? Fred and Mctominay aren't as good as Pogba going forward or on the ball, and they aren't as good as Kante off it. Criticism isn't remotely comparable.
Take two:
Also, if Pogba can't do it all on his own, I'd like the second midfielder to help him out even if it means he has to play slightly further forward and less safe.
I don't think it makes him immune at all. It's the double standards I don't like. Pogba being weaker is a big issue, where's defensive players being weaker going forward is completely fine. It's part of their role. Conversely, other attacking/creative midfielders don't nearly have the expectation Pogba has to be extremely efficient in all areas of the pitch.
Could we just end this travesty already?
The story of his return had all the elements of Disney fairytail.....ended up a boring 4 year transfer season sequel bullshit.
The story of his return had all the elements of Disney fairytail.....ended up a boring 4 year transfer season sequel bullshit.
This isn't about Pogba, the length of break is an institutional issue. Are you hating on United?
If that fat cnut Raiola was able to find a club to buy him he'd be already gone. If he wants to leave on a free next summer, let him. If he wants to stay, take the contract that's on the table. No other club out there is going to offer more than what he's being offered, even if they get him on a free. I hope some day I see Raiola in person, I will slide tackle him for the red cafe.
It's good news because he is worth more to us this season, than what we can get for him.
If he wasn’t our player would you sign him on a one year deal for, say, €40m?
A lot of United fans have fallen for the ABU media they despised for decades.
the depreciation this year would be around 15m i would asume. iwould pay this for pog for a year
But then he will walk away again for nothing. Or am I missing something?
Who gives a shit if he walks for nothing? The Glazers would take the money as dividends anyway.
Well it might cost us another signing this summer. All reports point to us needing to sell before we buy again. Much easier to just sell Pogba than find buyers for Lingard, Andreas, Dalot, Williams etc.
If we can sell him for 50m for example, of course that money would go to the transfer budget. Sales money goes directly into the transfer budget, in case you don't know.
Glazers will take the dividends regardless. And United will be out 40 something mn euros, pay his wages for a year on top - in a team that may or may not need him.
Thats true but I think PSG would pay £40-50m for him, their midfield is crying out for a Pogba type player.
He'd still be a liability defensively but that's because his skillset is more attacking.
Whilst he's at the club, he's shoehorned into a position which effects the teams fluidity, if its DM then we can't get him up the pitch as we'd but suspect to the counter, on LW we're suspect to getting overloaded on our strongest side. I'd much rather sell him and use the money for the players that are a great match for the system we want to play this season.
That’s an accounting matter, not a real world cost impact. The poster I replied to claimed “he is worth more to us this season, than what we can get for him”.
It would seem reasonable to estimate we could bring in a €40m fee for selling him so the question becomes; is a year of Pogba worth €40m?
That money could then be used towards bringing in a new DM to potentially be with us for 5+ years.
Not really now. If he doesn't sign a contract and leaves next summer for free it'll be an absolute disaster.
I wonder whether the Goretzka links are us planning in advance for Pogba's departure. If we believe we can sign him, then it's quite pragmatic:
1) Sell a world-class midfielder this summer for a cut-down price, replace him with a midfielder who won't be as good seeing as you'll only invest the fee Pogba generated.
2) Let said world-class midfielder leave on a free but replace him with another world-class midfielder who will also come free.
The second option sounds more appealing to me.
1) Sell a world-class midfielder this summer for a cut-down price, replace him with a midfielder who won't be as good seeing as you'll only invest the fee Pogba generated.
2) Let said world-class midfielder leave on a free but replace him with another world-class midfielder who will also come free.
The second option sounds more appealing to me.
That's a difficult one to answer. If Pogba helps us win a major trophy, then would 40m be too heavy a price to pay? And who's to say the player we bring in will be a sound return on investment. We could buy another VDB and be worse for it.
A lot of fanboys in this thread
If he leaves, he leaves. He aint getting astronomical wages over here for inconsistent and sometimes terrible performances.
If he leaves, he leaves. He aint getting astronomical wages over here for inconsistent and sometimes terrible performances.
It's maddening.
Looking at it dispassionately you’d have to lean towards it being excessively risky to forgo a transfer fee if he’s refusing to commit to a new deal.
There would also be uproar when he walked on a free in 12 months.
For whom? If he leaves, he leaves. We can't force players who don't want to be here.