Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”

TsuWave said:
Yes. December onwards only Luke Shaw was more consistent than Pogba. Cavani had some good heights though.

Did you watch any games?
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watched pretty much every game for the last 15 years....Shaw was head and shoulders the best player.

Using the word consistent in a sentence with Pogba is somewhat criminal too consistency. Yes, he was consistently inconsistent which is why it's all the more important to sell him this summer.
 
bosskeano said:
watched pretty much every game for the last 15 years....Shaw was head and shoulders the best player.

Using the word consistent in a sentence with Pogba is somewhat criminal too consistency. Yes, he was consistently inconsistent which is why it's all the more important to sell him this summer.
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Do you have a penchant for typing a lot but not saying much or something? I said Shaw was the best player for us in the initial post you quoted

I disagree with everything else you’ve said
 
ivaldo said:
I think it's abundantly clear you scarcely saw him at the Euros.

Let's pivot then. Who is going to come in and put in better performances, bearing in mind your criticism of him is weighted by his salary. How much would that player demand in wages, and how much would they cost to sign.
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The Euros references are exhausting. United aren’t in the Euros, we’re not France. France also didn’t play well and Pogba was a key part of the midfield that blew it against Switzerland.

Let’s analyze his performances for United. Over 5 seasons it’s not been good enough.
 
IWat said:
It's an insult to Scholes really, they're not in the same class. Compare Scholes last proper season when he was at the end to Pogba last season. His stats are very competitive to Pogba's with 70% of the games. Everyone agreed Scholes was coming to the end and not what he was that season,

Pogba is ahead in quite a few but when you take into account the difference in the amount of games, an old, fading Scholes was better on a per match basis in loads of things from successful tackles, pass completion, more passes, more big chances created per game, more through balls and dispossessed far less.

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/player-comparison
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Never compared scholes and Pogba. Sorry my post came across that way but I was only saying Scholes didn't score or assist more. There is no comparison between the two and I would probably prefer Scholes back of retirement over pogba
 
I’d be willing to bet if he stays and goes on a free Real still won’t touch him. Real and Barca were throwing money around on absolute dross and they never even made half a decent offer for Pogba from what we know. He’s just not as universally rated as some of you seem to think. All his constant angling for a move, the injuries and not getting his head down and working at rounding out his game has made him a luxury asset that’s too expensive for 99% of clubs relative to his actual performances and output. Crazy but true. PSG will either take him this summer or PSG and Juve will duke it out for him on a free for 350k a week tops. The kicker is the 20 million signing on fee or whatever they give them for that.
 
bosskeano said:
watched pretty much every game for the last 15 years....Shaw was head and shoulders the best player.

Using the word consistent in a sentence with Pogba is somewhat criminal too consistency. Yes, he was consistently inconsistent which is why it's all the more important to sell him this summer.
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You're the guy who in the Euros thread was saying that the passes Pogba was making were simple passes when he was making some great through balls. You clearly have an agenda against Pogba regardless of how well he plays.

Ali Dia said:
I’d be willing to bet if he stays and goes on a free Real still won’t touch him. Real and Barca were throwing money around on absolute dross and they never even made half a decent offer for Pogba from what we know. He’s just not as universally rated as some of you seem to think. All his constant angling for a move, the injuries and not getting his head down and working at rounding out his game has made him a luxury asset that’s too expensive for 99% of clubs relative to his actual performances and output. Crazy but true. PSG will either take him this summer or PSG and Juve will duke it out for him on a free for 350k a week tops. The kicker is the 20 million signing on fee or whatever they give them for that.
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You made pretty much the same post yesterday and it's just not true. Zidane openly wanted Pogba for a long time and made numerous public comments, it just wasn't economically viable for them. They went for Hazard for like 130m instead. They've had a pretty stacked midfield for the last 7 or so years where players like Isco and Odegaard barely got any playing time, they're not going to be offering the £80m required for us to sell Pogba. Hardly a stick to beat him with.

The proper premium prices over the last 5 years overwhelmingly tend to go for the attackers, particularly wide forwards. It's what Real are still in the market for with Mbappe.

I think PSG is a particularly good fit for Pogba, he links up excellently with Mbappe for the French team and with Neymar in there too he'll be able to rack up assists. He excells when there's movement in front of him and he'll get that at PSG.
 
ivaldo said:
Could be Juve, but let's base it off the Pogba of last season, or the Pogba that was the only player outside of the top 2 to get in the team of the year.

Three of those 4 players would not be an improvement on Pogba, and the other one is perennially injured. None of them have the marketability he has either. Two of those 3 remaining players would cost at least £80m, the other is apparently available for £35m, though not a single reliable source has echoed this. If you're going to base this off value for money, then you're not making a very compelling argument.
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I'm not going to do this for Verratti because of the different league and Neves had a bigger dip in form than I realised last season so fair enough on him but:

Tielemans (4 years younger)
Tielemans makes more successful tackles per game.
Pogba makes more clearences.
Tielemans makes more forward passes per game.
Pogba wins more aerial battles
Tielemans makes more crosses and through balls per game
Pogba creates more big chances
Tielemans is dispossed less
Pogba slightly edges successful pases
Tielemans slightly edges goals per game
Pogba slightly edges assists per game

Mount (6 years younger)
Successful tackles per game is pretty much even.
Pogba makes more clearences
Both make a similar amount of forward passes, possibly Pogba slightly edging it (I'm doing mental maths)
Pogba wins more aerial battles
Mount makes more crosses, Pogba makes more through balls per game
Mount makes more big chances
Mount is dispossed less
Mount makes more successful passes
Mount has a higher goals per game.
Assists they're pretty much equal per game.

I wasn't even going to bother doing Mount until after I did so I've not bodged this to make them look better. That's 2 CM's in the league, both quite considerably younger with room to improve (and in Tielemans case he's not exactly surrounded by exceptional talent) who pretty much hold their own against Pogba. I'd spit my drink out laughing if Chelsea or Everton put either on £350k+ a week.

I'm not going to go into other leagues where I've not seen enough of them, but inevitably there is the PL premium. If there is really no one out there for £80m and £200k per week who couldn't replicate or excede what we've seen from Pogba over the last 2 years, then football is in a sorry state.
 
TrebleFan99 said:
The Euros references are exhausting. United aren’t in the Euros, we’re not France. France also didn’t play well and Pogba was a key part of the midfield that blew it against Switzerland.

Let’s analyze his performances for United. Over 5 seasons it’s not been good enough.
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Pogba isn't a country. Pogba isn't France. Let's analyze what he did and not judge him on the performance of 10 other players. Besides, it was a detractor that brought this up to criticize him with .
 
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IWat said:
I'm not going to do this for Verratti because of the different league and Neves had a bigger dip in form than I realised last season so fair enough on him but:

Tielemans (4 years younger)
Tielemans makes more successful tackles per game.
Pogba makes more clearences.
Tielemans makes more forward passes per game.
Pogba wins more aerial battles
Tielemans makes more crosses and through balls per game
Pogba creates more big chances
Tielemans is dispossed less
Pogba slightly edges successful pases
Tielemans slightly edges goals per game
Pogba slightly edges assists per game

Mount (6 years younger)
Successful tackles per game is pretty much even.
Pogba makes more clearences
Both make a similar amount of forward passes, possibly Pogba slightly edging it (I'm doing mental maths)
Pogba wins more aerial battles
Mount makes more crosses, Pogba makes more through balls per game
Mount makes more big chances
Mount is dispossed less
Mount makes more successful passes
Mount has a higher goals per game.
Assists they're pretty much equal per game.

I wasn't even going to bother doing Mount until after I did so I've not bodged this to make them look better. That's 2 CM's in the league, both quite considerably younger with room to improve (and in Tielemans case he's not exactly surrounded by exceptional talent) who pretty much hold their own against Pogba. I'd spit my drink out laughing if Chelsea or Everton put either on £350k+ a week.

I'm not going to go into other leagues where I've not seen enough of them, but inevitably there is the PL premium. If there is really no one out there for £80m and £200k per week who couldn't replicate or excede what we've seen from Pogba over the last 2 years, then football is in a sorry state.
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Neves was just the only realistic option you've named and you've already given up on him.

Just looking at those Mount comparisons and it looks a bit strange. Touches? Interceptions? Ball recoveries? Pass attempts? Long pass attempts? I don't want to get into this comparative stuff because it's pointless, but come on.

I would do too, seeing as Tielemans doesn't play for Everton. It doesn't matter what they pay, it's what we would have to pay to replace Pogba with a new player. It's the transfer fee we'd have to pay. The options you are suggesting here are entirely unrealistic. If you're determined to make this a financial matter, then you need to come up with some better alternatives.
 
https://www.eurosport.com/football/...fielder-transfer-noteb_sto8445585/story.shtml

If PSG wont give the £45 mill. we are pricing him at he wont make any decision until next year.

Dean Jones not the most reliable source but this seems quite logical from Pogba's point of view, he has no rush to decide anything.

Worst possible outcome for us though. Can see us going for Neves this window if this is what happens, since he seems to be the cheapest option (probably on par with Camavinga, but he seems to be more likely to go to Spain)
 
ivaldo said:
THREE MONTHS you stayed out of that thread. If Pogba did a rough job of tying his shoelaces you'd be all over him. Imagine what he has to be doing to get that kind of silence from you. You must've been miserable. :lol:
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I'm not the problem with Pogba. It's all you fanboys who don't speak the truth. I tell it how it is. He's a talented player who has underperformed for us.

He didn't have a great season last year. You can say it as many times as you like it still won't be true. He didn't get in the reckoning for club player of the year or PL team of the year. He wasn't even close.

I'm with most of the pundits on this one. He's just not delivered for us despite his ability. It's sadly you who can't accept this fact.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
I'm not the problem with Pogba. It's all you fanboys who don't speak the truth. I tell it how it is. He's a talented player who has underperformed for us.

He didn't have a great season last year. You can say it as many times as you like it still won't be true. He didn't get in the reckoning for club player of the year or PL team of the year. He wasn't even close.

I'm with most of the pundits on this one. He's just not delivered for us despite his ability. It's sadly you who can't accept this fact.
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Oh I'm a fanboy now, am I? You posted 167 times in last year's players performance thread. I posted 11. And I'm the one who's obsessive? :lol: Astonishing that you stopped 'telling it how it is' when Pogba was playing so well.

Because he got a serious injury. And does that mean everyone else who didn't make team of the year was crap as well? Come on. Your tagline says it all!
 
He won't sign a new contract, utter madness to not get rid. He's been flirting with other teams for 2 years and his agents comments the night before Leipzig the final straw. If he stays it's a distraction and will be like a dark cloud hanging over us, give minutes to players who want to here or may have a future, namely VdB. Sign a DM with the money.
 
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I’d like to see him grow into a controlling midfield role, but don’t know if he has that in him.
 
Every time people bring up Pogba in the Euros, I just get reminded back to this tweet following the Switzerland game:




It really sums up the problem with Paul the player at United, can be great going forward, but then inevitably lets the team down by being a complete defensive liability in central midfield.
 
Bring in Grealish for Pogba.

Cavani
Rashford Fernandes Sancho
Grealish Neves
Shaw Maguire Varane Wan-Bissaka
De Gea​
 
If he wants to leave, let him go. Thanks and goodbye.

Just hope his fanboys leave with him tbh.
 
Motorman said:
Bring in Grealish for Pogba.

Cavani
Rashford Fernandes Sancho
Grealish Neves
Shaw Maguire Varane Wan-Bissaka
De Gea​
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I think Ole is favouring a change of formation. It would look something like this for me if we could sell Pogba and get Grealish.


Rashford Cavani Sancho
Grealish CDM Fernandes
Shaw Maguire Varane Wan-Bissaka
Henderson​
 
ivaldo said:
No, he was excellent. It's not even debatable.
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Well I don't know about others, but you've convinced me :)
pratyush_utd said:
But he has had 2 long injury in last 2 season. Last season he had Covid and when he was fit, and was very good. I guess it's difficult to be great all season if you are injured for 2-3 months.

He was our best player the season before that.

His injury is one the biggest reason why I am bit wary of giving him long contract. But to say that he hasn't been good is just revisionism at best.
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That's a valid point, especially if we're considering giving him huge payrise. Being injured for 2 months every season is a problem, not an excuse like some people on here would suggest.
alexthelion said:
Correction, he was good going forward but, as usual, lacking in defensive duties.
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So true. It's funny how people judge him as an offensive midfielder for France because apparently it's Kante job to defend. Against Switzerland, where Pogba was having a great game according to some, France midfield was full of holes as a Swiss cheese. This is exactly the same Pogba that plays for United, it's just much easier playing for a dominant team like France.
TsuWave said:
Yes. December onwards only Luke Shaw was more consistent than Pogba. Cavani had some good heights though.

Did you watch any games?
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Such a shame our season didn't start in December.
 
Borys said:
Well I don't know about others, but you've convinced me :)
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My chief aim here.
Borys said:
So true. It's funny how people judge him as an offensive midfielder for France because apparently it's Kante job to defend.
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By that I can assume you were also judging Kante by his creativity... :nervous:
 
I think the club are doing the right thing by calling Pogba's bluff on this one. If he wants to go elsewhere, fine. If he wants to sign a new deal, fine, but it won't be on ludicrous money.

Personally, I don't think I have ever been as divided by a player as much as I have by Paul Pogba. I can flip between thinking he is one of the best footballers on the planet to literally believing he is the root of all of our problems from one game to the next.

My current view (subject to change!) is that Pogba is a "10+1" player. By that I mean, if you have ten other brilliant players and a defined role for Pogba, he is virtually unplayable. In this United side, especially in the PL, I feel we could probably get far more EFFECTIVE (not necessarily 'better') players in that midfield area.
 
Motorman said:
Bring in Grealish for Pogba.

Cavani
Rashford Fernandes Sancho
Grealish Neves
Shaw Maguire Varane Wan-Bissaka
De Gea​
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Grealish in a double pivot :lol::lol::lol:

You've never seen him play in your life have you?
 
Lost all interest in this saga. Time to give him and the fat man a deadline.

Either sign a 3 year extension on same wages, find a new club or start the season on the bench

Pick one one by next friday.
 
Plot twist..

We offer him a significant pay rise but only if he sacks his agent first. I would love it :lol:
 
RonaldoVII said:
My money would be on that being the current most likely outcome, no? More players seem to be doing that at the minute. Whether that is due to the pandemic or a change in the times, I'm not sure.
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Who was the last top player that that moved from a big club on a free?

Lewandowski many years ago?

I can't think of anyone recently. Big clubs just don't let it happen.

Oldies (30+) excluded of course.
 
duffer said:
Who was the last top player that that moved from a big club on a free?

I can't think of anyone. Big clubs just don't let it happen.

Oldies (30+) excluded of course.
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Alaba just did and got a hefty contract.
 
duffer said:
Who was the last top player that that moved from a big club on a free?

Lewandowski many years ago?

I can't think of anyone recently. Big clubs just don't let it happen.

Oldies (30+) excluded of course.
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Pogba will be 29 if he leaves on a free so not far off being an ‘oldie’ :wenger:
 
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