Even an inconsistent Pogba can do things that nobody else can. Except maybe Grealish, but he's not an 8Because we're losing Pogba?!
I'm a long term Pogba defender, but thats utter utter nonsense.
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He's also a part of the team that didn't progress, though.
Just makes us look weak imo.Because we're losing Pogba?!
Eh I see where you're coming from, but he's wanted out for bloody years, we've all known it was coming eventually. If he'd signed a new deal, I'd still have expected more of this shite again next summer regardless. It's exhausting, as brilliant as he is and can be on his day. I'm tired.
He's one of the reasons we haven't. If he turned up for us 8 games in 10 rather than 2 or 3 we might have won more than we have under him.
Bruno has come here and shown him up under the same manager and with the same teammates.
You are sure just means you don’t know. You can’t assume something with confidence. Pogba does a job for us there without no fuss. Grealish does not have the personality to do a job he is very much a maverick and requires that role within a team.
4-3-3 works if Jack has the license to do what he wants. That job is for Bruno. It doesn’t not work. We would need to be a Saul Niguez to improve our current midfield make up. Not Grealish as I think he would cause a bigger problem that what Pogba causes.
I find it funny people say the balance is messed up but want to replace Pogba with Grealish. Makes me think people deep down are scared about the quality we will be losing.
I’d like to see Grealish Neves Bruno.
I already mentioned this in one of my earlier posts recently but I think Neves being a PL proven player could be a good signing at the price being quoted.
Him being Portuguese may also help form a good bond with Bruno specially. It will be vital in terms of communication about positioning when playing a midfield 3 where discipline will be key.
Pretty weird to lie about it happening another half dozen times then.
Since you don't understand then take a look at Bayern when they played with Kimmich or Goretzka in midfield as easier explanation. No DM is required just all rounder midfielder who are discipline and can play in midfield two, and offer both attack and defense. Pogba is nothing like them and our system suits more for someone who is more all rounder in our midfield and will provide more balance.
Because we're losing Pogba?!
Its not so much that we are losing Pogba and more so that our Midfield 2 options would be Matic Fred McT and VDB who probably can't play there in the Prem.
feck me that is one shite Midfield for a top team.
If we get 2 new CMs in that's a different story but your lying if we think that is near good enough. Doesn't have an ounce of passing ability in it.
Would have no one to spray long passes or switch the play. Would be the most limited midfield United have had in a long long time
Neves is probably slower than Matic and not very mobile. But good luck looking for answers in him.
As much as we must replace Pogba this summer with a couple of players, we are finally more in a position where we don't need to bend over backwards and give him and his agent whatever he wants. De Gea got us when we were weak, hell you could say even Martial did with the deal he's ended up with. We don't need Pogba as desperately as we once did.
Midfield we are desperate tbf. Ours midfield 2 options are dire
He won’t go anywhere if he was going to leave he would have already he’s just using PSG the same way Varane is using us to get a big fat pay cheque.
I agree with needing a DM apart from a CM. I was initially just mentioning that a player of Pogba’s caliber or atleast somewhat close to it is available, being Grealish.
Couldn't care either way great player, talent never in doubt but the circus that follows is nauseating since day 1.
The people that are saying step backwards and worse team without him, i point you to Liverpools midfield when they won the title its the team not a single player that wins the trophies.
The people that are saying step backwards and worse team without him, i point you to Liverpools midfield when they won the title its the team not a single player that wins the trophies.
Where have I said I'd not want us to invest or I'd be happy with our current options if he leaves? I want two in even if Pogba was bloody staying! I've said for months we'll struggle to replace him, and we must do some brilliant business now to make up for his departure.
You're not wrong there has to be said. So who can we get? The talk of Grealish is utter nonsense. Rice isn't even close to being the player that will dominate the midfield for us, Camavinga is a good shout but very young to be pinning our hopes on.
I's favour a KDB type myself;brilliant, unassuming, influences games far more than Pogba,scorer of great goals
He’s not mobile, his passing is good but I’ve never seen him have one game where he has got the better of a top class CM so I’m really worried why so much people have so much confidence in this guy.
He’s a good signing for an Arsenal not us. He won’t make us win a midfield battle.
Same, I read the tweet and was just, Meh, about it all. See what happens.
Funny how people defending him have now turned to specific situations as a proof he's one of our most important players.
Moments player, that is what he is. It works on the wing, not so much in midfield.
Remember he's already on very high wages.
Moments player, that is what he is. It works on the wing, not so much in midfield.
This. Pogba the midfielder won't be missed, and we need a DM either way. If selling Pogba gives us funds for another CM, it's even better.
Remember he's already on very high wages.
Like who?
Available and our ability or willingness to get them is a different matter sadly.
I really see nothing different between France's Pogba and United's Pogba.
Both are the same. Capable of brilliant moments on the ball but passenger off the ball and careless in possession in their own half.
It's just that people focus more on his brilliant moments with France, but the overall performance is mostly the same really.
Pogba is lazy. He gives away cheap pens and free kicks. He can't mark a player. He loses concentration all the time.
No player is perfect.
Neves isn't someone I'm that bothered Bout signing but I don't see how we can possibly keep Pogba. If we give that guy 400k a week and his agent a big fat cheque too we need our heads checking.
Get rid. He can't do it in the PL. He hasn't got it in him.
That’s the player we are selling bud.
If he's going to reject 350k p/w then piss off and we have no choice but to sell him now if this report is accurate
Exactly! Who? I'd love to see one of our youngsters get a crack. Hannibal for me has so much ability without having the physical power of Pogba.
It just looks like we'll be building our team around a midfield with Bruno at the peak of it.
Grealish is 100m and neves 35m and you’re celebrating an article saying we’d sell Pogba for 45m. So that’s a net of 90m for a midfield I think is completely unworkable and unbalanced. Grealish and Bruno are absolute shite defensively - both incapable of winning duels - and Neves is as mobile as a sloth so good luck to him trying to cover them.
Van de Beek has never been the player to control possession or set the tempto. His passing stats at Ajax were mediocre at best.
Firstly Pogba did a fairly incompetent job while he was it. I’ll never forget certain moments that are still glued in my head where he cost us at key moments by not tracking back or excessively fouling players and that’s just the tip of the iceberg with him. Hence him doing that job with or without a fuss is not even the issue. He should never be doing that job to begin with.You are sure just means you don’t know. You can’t assume something with confidence. Pogba does a job for us there without no fuss. Grealish does not have the personality to do a job he is very much a maverick and requires that role within a team.
4-3-3 works if Jack has the license to do what he wants. That job is for Bruno. It doesn’t not work. We would need to be a Saul Niguez to improve our current midfield make up. Not Grealish as I think he would cause a bigger problem that what Pogba causes.
I find it funny people say the balance is messed up but want to replace Pogba with Grealish. Makes me think people deep down are scared about the quality we will be losing.
Secondly, Bruno had the license when we were playing 4-2-3-1 but in a 4-3-3 that responsibility can be shared just like Silva & KdB would share in City. That’s how I would like to see Grealish & Bruno in our team. This way teams will have a really tough time marking us. They first need to worry about our front 3 and then also worry about Grealish & Bruno in the midfield.
Lastly, I’m not at all worried about this ‘quality’ that you say we’ll be losing. In fact I think Grealish is a much better player in that role in the PL. Pogba is better suited to foreign leagues where the pressure isn’t as intense.
I'd say they all bar Goretzka.
Kimmich is there DM and not quite sure how you are trying to explain to me how we improve on McFred by brining in a player to do what Pogba already bloody offers. That doesn’t not improve us. We need either someone who can get there foot on the ball and play whilst also screening the back four.
To use your example you play Kimmich with Goretzka. If one isn’t in the team their replacement overs what the guy missing offered. They aren’t the same type of player. Jesus.
If we sell him then we've got a big void in midfield. Not because he's been good for us (largely a distraction) but it would be difficult attempt progressive football if our deep midfielders were Fred, McTominay, and Van de Beek.
It's not that I don't rate those three - I like McTominay and I'd give Van de Beek more of a chance - but we need a player who can move the ball progressively and stay relatively deep at the same time.
I would be thinking along the lines of a prime Banega. Not someone who needs to be high profile at all.
It's not that I don't rate those three - I like McTominay and I'd give Van de Beek more of a chance - but we need a player who can move the ball progressively and stay relatively deep at the same time.
I would be thinking along the lines of a prime Banega. Not someone who needs to be high profile at all.
I’m more worried about us not losing the ball and keeping possession more than fighting other kinds of battles in the midfield. Currently we lose the ball way too frequently and Neves seems to have a calm head on him. I can even see him being a good fit next to Fred in a midfield 2 if we’re playing 4-2-3-1.
I wasn't implying you said that.
Just commenting on my guess on how we replace him.
By reports so far he will only be replaced with a DM.
And right now that could be Neves.
If we lost Pogba and Neves was the only replacement that would be a hell of a feck up by the club for instance.
Losing could be a massive loss or maybe not. All depends how he is replaced or knowing our club possibly not replaced at all.
Then you aren't watching. Pogba is their entire creative force from deep.
I think if Pogba goes, we may go back in for Grealish. We just might. (Fingers crossed
)Maybe yes, maybe not. Who cares. We're not changing the whole team setup to accommodate Pogba, especially as it has been proven over time he's not essential to team success. Which is what I care about more than Pogba well being and playing in favorite position beside perfect partner, whoever that is this week.
You mean those guys who were ahead of Pogba in the pecking order last season?
Grealish does not play CM. What are you talking about. Tell me a game when he played CM and played well? He hasn’t done it since the Championship.
If Bruno’s responsibility changes then he would have to offer what Fred offers and be the destroyer. That’s not going to happen is it.