Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”

Red Company said:
I think if Pogba goes, we may go back in for Grealish. We just might. (Fingers crossed :drool:)
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I'd hope mate but by all reports we have no intention of replacing him.

Apparently we will just be getting a mid level DM which is really just replacing McT or Feed which isn't a hard task.
 
RUCK4444 said:
That’s the player we are selling bud.
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KDB in the PL has been a far better player. I think we tend to be in denial because he plays for City. He runs at a defence far better and more consistently than Pogba which is why he's consistently in the PL teams of the season over the last few years.

I'd be sorry to lose Pogba but we can't sit here and cry about it anymore.
 
pratyush_utd said:
Probably looking for higher salary and longer term. 3 year at his age would reduce his chance of getting a better contract down the line. Last chance at big contract. Would actually be an idiot to accept 3 year contract at his age
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Thing is, you could make that argument about Cavani or Ibrahimivic. I bet both of those have earned more by serially taking one year contracts as a free agent than if they’d signed a longer contract with one club. I doubt that if Pogba signed a 3 year contract now he’d be short of hugely lucrative offers on a year by year basis from aged 31 - 36.
 
Mickeza said:
Grealish is 100m and neves 35m and you’re celebrating an article saying we’d sell Pogba for 45m. So that’s a net of 90m for a midfield I think is completely unworkable and unbalanced. Grealish and Bruno are absolute shite defensively - both incapable of winning duels - and Neves is as mobile as a sloth so good luck to him trying to cover them.
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We can try to include players in a deal for Grealish. I had suggested Lingard as one. As for Neves, 35m is exactly the reason why I’d even want to go for him as that’s probably the most funds we’ll have left if we do hypothetically sign Grealish.
Neves’ age will always make him a good selling prospect in the future in case he doesn’t fit well in our team.
As for his mobility, it remains to be seen how he performs in a different team and different setup. We usually maintain a lot of possession so his job won’t be as adventurous as it sometimes was playing for Wolves. I’d totally be willing to take a risk on him and see if he can fit in.
 
el3mel said:
I really see nothing different between France's Pogba and United's Pogba.

Both are the same. Capable of brilliant moments on the ball but passenger off the ball and careless in possession in their own half.

It's just that people focus more on his brilliant moments with France, but the overall performance is mostly the same really.
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I have exactly the same feeling. Just take last France game as an example, Pogba was very good attacking wise, but their midfield looked leaky as hell. Same problems as for United, but France looks superior in 9/10 games so Pogba looks like world beater as well.

laughtersassassin said:
I'd hope mate but by all reports we have no intention of replacing him.


Apparently we will just be getting a mid level DM which is really just replacing McT or Feed which isn't a hard task.
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Selling Pogba and using the funds to replace one of Fred / McTominay is an excellent move though.
 
Red Company said:
I’m more worried about us not losing the ball and keeping possession more than fighting other kinds of battles in the midfield. Currently we lose the ball way too frequently and Neves seems to have a calm head on him. I can even see him being a good fit next to Fred in a midfield 2 if we’re playing 4-2-3-1.
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I don’t believe he’s good enough for this level. He might be better than McTominay “might” but his ball possession isn’t going to help us getting overran when he’s mobility comes into questions as his passing ain’t that good to be press resistant.
 
laughtersassassin said:
Then you aren't watching. Pogba is their entire creative force from deep.
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IMO he does all these brilliant moments for us too.

People just notice it more with France than with us.

And similarly, they notice his problems off the ball with United while tend to ignore it when it happens to France.

Pogba is the same player regardless. A great player on the ball but once you lose it you might as well be playing with 10 men.
 
Mainoldo said:
Kimmich is there DM

To use your example you play Kimmich with Goretzka. If one isn’t in the team their replacement overs what the guy missing offered. They aren’t the same type of player. Jesus.
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You never watch Bayern. Kimmich is not a DM. He is an all rounder midfielder. Both Kimmich and Goretzka interchange position/role when they play. Another good example is Bayern 19/20 when Kimmich was moved as right back due to Pavard's injury, Thiago and Goretzka played in their midfield and they won the Treble. What's next, Thiago is a DM too?

Mainoldo said:
and not quite sure how you are trying to explain to me how we improve on McFred by brining in a player to do what Pogba already bloody offers. That doesn’t not improve us. We need either someone who can get there foot on the ball and play whilst also screening the back four.
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So now you are telling that we need someone who can offer both in attack and defense. Is that not what I said an all rounder midfielder who can offer both in attack and defense? Pogba is being restricted because his best role is occupied by Bruno, better get someone who is more all rounder who doesn't need freedom.
 
Mainoldo said:
Grealish does not play CM. What are you talking about. Tell me a game when he played CM and played well? He hasn’t done it since the Championship.

If Bruno’s responsibility changes then he would have to offer what Fred offers and be the destroyer. That’s not going to happen is it.
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You’re taking my words too literally. My apologies if I’m making Grealish sound like something he’s not but I can certainly see him playing on the left of a midfield 3 in quite a few games. His driving runs usually start in the midfield so it’s definitely possible. He will also play a few games on left wing obviously whenever someone else needs a rest.

End of the day I had started this discussion to highlight the fact that Grealish is an amazing replacement for Pogba and we will definitely find space for him in our team. Last season we were short of options and drove a few players into the ground. Now Ole mentions the fact that Lingard still has a place in the team for exactly this reason, being another option. I’d rather have players like Grealish as an option. To win titles we need a dynamic squad.

But with Grealish the issue seems to be his affordability more than anything else.
 
I suppose from Pogbas angle he sees the last 5 years as a complete waste of time. Hes won 2 minor trophies and if he had have stayed at Juve or joined another big club, he would have won more. Hes had a big contract which has made him secure for life and maybe wants to win trophies while he is still attractive to big teams age wise.
 
Mainoldo said:
I don’t believe he’s good enough for this level. He might be better than McTominay “might” but his ball possession isn’t going to help us getting overran when he’s mobility comes into questions as his passing ain’t that good to be press resistant.
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Well obviously we’ll have to play him wisely and probably not in every game but atleast he’ll provide something different to McFred whenever needed.

Also I’m not sure I agree with you on the passing part. His passing range seems much better than McFred’s. His vision is decent too and as I mentioned he’s only 24. A lot of room for improvement in all aspects. For 35m I’m totally down for it. And personally I’ve always preferred signing PL players then someone abroad. The transition is much faster and smoother.
 
laughtersassassin said:
I'd hope mate but by all reports we have no intention of replacing him.

Apparently we will just be getting a mid level DM which is really just replacing McT or Feed which isn't a hard task.
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Not all DM's are the same. Getting a 'DM' who is also a very good passer and partnering them with Fred (or maybe McTominay) should be an obvious improvement over the McFred combo we used most of last season, especially in the bigger games. It will also be an improvement over either of them partnered with Pogba.
 
laughtersassassin said:
I'd hope mate but by all reports we have no intention of replacing him.

Apparently we will just be getting a mid level DM which is really just replacing McT or Feed which isn't a hard task.
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Yeah I’m aware mate. Obviously just daydreaming myself :D

Worst case scenario, at least we have DvB who may come alive this season and end up being a great buy.
 
MadDogg said:
Not all DM's are the same. Getting a 'DM' who is also a very good passer and partnering them with Fred (or maybe McTominay) should be an obvious improvement over the McFred combo we used most of last season, especially in the bigger games. It will also be an improvement over either of them partnered with Pogba.
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True to an extent.

But Fred can't be our CM next to a DM if we want to reach the top.

His forward games and long passing and ability to switch the play isn't good enough for that level.
 
Red Company said:
Yeah I’m aware mate. Obviously just daydreaming myself :D

Worst case scenario, at least we have DvB who may come alive this season and end up being a great buy.
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Again hopefully but I don't think VDB can be a number 8 in the Prem.

Again praying I'm wrong considering I doubt we adequately replace Pogba
 
Annoyingly a Verratti/Wijnaldum/Pogba midfield is very much a modern day Pirlo/Vidal/Pogba equivalent :lol:

PSG is the perfect club for Pogba though, the negative parts of his midfield play A- won't be shown up half as much as it does for us and B- no one watches the French league so it won't get highlighted to wider audiences anyway
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
You never watch Bayern. Kimmich is not a DM. He is an all rounder midfielder. Both Kimmich and Goretzka interchange position/role when they play. Another good example is Bayern 19/20 when Kimmich was moved as right back due to Pavard's injury, Thiago and Goretzka played in their midfield and they won the Treble. What's next, Thiago is a DM too?



So now you are telling that we need someone who can offer both in attack and defense. Is that not what I said an all rounder midfielder who can offer both in attack and defense? Pogba is being restricted because his best role is occupied by Bruno, better get someone who is more all rounder who doesn't need freedom.
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What’s his attributes? You say all round midfielder but what is he best at? (Kimmich)

Matic and Kante interchanged. The point I’m getting at his what they offer to the team.
 
Red Company said:
Well obviously we’ll have to play him wisely and probably not in every game but atleast he’ll provide something different to McFred whenever needed.

Also I’m not sure I agree with you on the passing part. His passing range seems much better than McFred’s. His vision is decent too and as I mentioned he’s only 24. A lot of room for improvement in all aspects. For 35m I’m totally down for it. And personally I’ve always preferred signing PL players then someone abroad. The transition is much faster and smoother.
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Well if we are going to do that let’s get a best in class like a Tielemans. Neves can’t even get a game for his country. Bruno got dropped and they went for 34 years old Moutinho.

I don’t think we need another rotation player either. Hojbjerb would also be a better option. Just don’t see Nuno letting him go.
 
laughtersassassin said:
Again hopefully but I don't think VDB can be a number 8 in the Prem.

Again praying I'm wrong considering I doubt we adequately replace Pogba
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Yeah I guess this will be a final and solid test for him to prove himself.

I can’t help but believe that he’ll be more disciplined than Pogba to say the least. His movement in tight spaces is also really good so while he may not provide some of Pogba’s magic, he will provide other traits.

One of our major issues last season was building that bridge in the midfield when bringing the ball to the front from the back and I think this is where Donny could showcase his strengths.
 
laughtersassassin said:
True to an extent.

But Fred can't be our CM next to a DM if we want to reach the top.

His forward games and long passing and ability to switch the play isn't good enough for that level.
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Perhaps. Perhaps not. In theory we'd want the DM to be providing most of that, while Fred plays more the Kante/Gattuso style of harrier and destroyer. We may still be able to improve on him further in 12 months time, but in the meantime we 'should' have a better midfield than the McFred combo that mostly got us to 2nd last season or any of the inconsistent midfields we've had with Pogba.

Of course it relies on signing the right player.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
Pogba is lazy. He gives away cheap pens and free kicks. He can't mark a player. He loses concentration all the time.

No player is perfect.

Neves isn't someone I'm that bothered Bout signing but I don't see how we can possibly keep Pogba. If we give that guy 400k a week and his agent a big fat cheque too we need our heads checking.

Get rid. He can't do it in the PL. He hasn't got it in him.
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He can’t do it in the Prem? But you can’t name 5 CM’s in this league better than him.

I don’t care if he stay or goes or what he gets. Not my money.

I’m concerned about how we replace him. We still don’t seem to see the glaring wholes in our midfield. We are looking to replace him with sh*ter versions of himself.
 
Mainoldo said:
Well if we are going to do that let’s get a best in class like a Tielemans. Neves can’t even get a game for his country. Bruno got dropped and they went for 34 years old Moutinho.

I don’t think we need another rotation player either. Hojbjerb would also be a better option. Just don’t see Nuno letting him go.
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Neither do I see Rodgers letting Tielemans go.

Obviously we’re not even sure how credible these Neves reports are but if we do sign him it will definitely be because it’s a risk worth taking at his quoted price.

There was a time when Tielemans wasn’t getting into the Belgium starting 11 either. He was on the fringes how Neves is. And even he was bought at a similar price by Leicester if I’m not wrong and there wasn’t much competition for him either.

So you never know my friend. Neves may turn out to be a good investment if he fits in well. I think his general play dropped a couple levels in correlation with Wolves’ perform levels this past season or so. In a more progressive team like ours, he may perform better.
 
The club should not be surprised by how this is playing out. This is exactly how Mino Riola makes his money time and time again.

Player X runs down his contract with his club. Mino Riola has two options to play. Option A, blackmail the players' current club into giving a new obscene contract by threatening to leave for free, and/or Option B, offer the player to another club for a bargain amount due to current contract length, and in turn pick up enormous agent fees for delivering the bargain.

United were/are stupid doing business with Riola. Hopefully it stops moving forward.
 
MadDogg said:
Perhaps. Perhaps not. In theory we'd want the DM to be providing most of that, while Fred plays more the Kante/Gattuso style of harrier and destroyer. We may still be able to improve on him further in 12 months time, but in the meantime we 'should' have a better midfield than the McFred combo that mostly got us to 2nd last season or any of the inconsistent midfields we've had with Pogba.

Of course it relies on signing the right player.
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Exactly this. Fred for sure isn't top tier, but we won't change a whole team overnight. If the rumors are true, and we can get Sancho, Varane and DM, it already is a brilliant summer. If Pogba is the required sacrifice then so be it.
 
One of the tabloids is running with a story that Pogba and Riola have rejected a £350,000 a week contract offer and they are determined to join PSG this summer.
 
I am a bit sad if this is the ending for Paul. He is a superb player, and I like the guy. That being said his performances for us have been poor over time and he don’t fit our system now.

If he transfers to PSG it will not be good for his reputation. A player that could not cut it in the PL hiding in a minor league. We should sell, get rid and reinvest. The team we have now is majorly exciting with or without our man Paul.
 
Red Company said:
Neither do I see Rodgers letting Tielemans go.

Obviously we’re not even sure how credible these Neves reports are but if we do sign him it will definitely be because it’s a risk worth taking at his quoted price.

There was a time when Tielemans wasn’t getting into the Belgium starting 11 either. He was on the fringes how Neves is. And even he was bought at a similar price by Leicester if I’m not wrong and there wasn’t much competition for him either.

So you never know my friend. Neves may turn out to be a good investment if he fits in well. I think his general play dropped a couple levels in correlation with Wolves’ perform levels this past season or so. In a more progressive team like ours, he may perform better.
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Well either way we shall see. I hope he moves. I just hope it’s Arsenal and not us (Just my personal view) But will be interesting to watch.

Tielemans failed at Monaco but he was very young. He’s been continuing to improve ever since but he did have a very poor Euros.
 
Always sad to lose a quality player but we’ll manage.
He does lack concentration over the course of a long season, yet he is certainly capable of delivering semi-concistent magic.

Perfect cup player I would say.

Someone more gritty and grindy might suit our quest for the league title even more imo.
 
Mainoldo said:
Well either way we shall see. I hope he moves. I just hope it’s Arsenal and not us (Just my personal view) But will be interesting to watch.

Tielemans failed at Monaco but he was very young. He’s been continuing to improve ever since but he did have a very poor Euros.
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Yeah don’t get me wrong I’m not his biggest fan or saying we choose him over others but at his price he may only be the type of player we can afford this summer. In this particular scenario I’m all for it.
 
Mainoldo said:
He can’t do it in the Prem? But you can’t name 5 CM’s in this league better than him.

I don’t care if he stay or goes or what he gets. Not my money.

I’m concerned about how we replace him. We still don’t seem to see the glaring wholes in our midfield. We are looking to replace him with sh*ter versions of himself.
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The problem you have though is you can't differentiate between the player he should be and the player he actually is for us. On paper he's one of the best players in the world. On the pitch he rarely is. How can a player with his ability not have even been named Utd player of the season once in 5 years?

You talk about him being this incredible player who we will struggle to replace. I don't see it that way at all.

Scott Mctomminay outscored him last season ffs despite Pogba playing a fair bit off the left.

Pogba hasn't done it consistently in a Utd shirt and you find it incredibly hard to admit it.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
The problem you have though is you can't differentiate between the player he should be and the player he actually is for us. On paper he's one of the best players in the world. On the pitch he rarely is. How can a player with his ability not have even been named Utd player of the season once in 5 years?

You talk about him being this incredible player who we will struggle to replace. I don't see it that way at all.

Scott Mctomminay outscored him last season ffs despite Pogba playing a fair bit off the left.

Pogba hasn't done it consistently in a Utd shirt and you find it incredibly hard to admit it.
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But what you say isn’t true is it. It’s just a running annoying narrative. I mean McTominay didn’t even outscore him. But I get the running theme. I just tend not to agree.
 
His cult will be bumping the Ligue 1 thread regularly as he destroys the likes of Strasbourg and Clermont and expect everyone to be impressed.
 
el3mel said:
IMO he does all these brilliant moments for us too.

People just notice it more with France than with us.

And similarly, they notice his problems off the ball with United while tend to ignore it when it happens to France.

Pogba is the same player regardless. A great player on the ball but once you lose it you might as well be playing with 10 men.
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Interesting take. Wonder what @JPRouve thinks
 
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