Paul Pogba | Back in full training

VeevaVee said:
It's not about him annoying people because he wore a Juve shirt. It's that he knows it'll add to the already constant furore around him. Purposely shit stirring is a little daft and not majorly professional. I'm not sure why people can't grasp that. It's not rage inducing nor is it agenda driven for most. It's just not a very likeable trait, hence why I can at least understand the backlash.

The reason why no one else has it aimed at them is because no one else is linked with a team whose shirt they're wearing after years of questionable performances and questionable attitude (perhaps in a large part often wrongly questioned) while taking up a big share of the wage budget. It's that he knows his dedication to United has been questioned in the past yet still chooses to do it. It's not terrible, and there are far worse things to worry about, but at least acknowledge why people might not be rushing out to get his name on the back of their shirt about it.
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Maybe he is just actually giving people the benefit of the doubt that they wouldn’t try to turn his friend contracting a disease that has literally changed the world would even be distilled down to the choice of shirt. Which is clearly to generous a benefit to give, so even then, he chose to literally spell it out, so that it was not left ambiguous. Yet football loyalties and opinions supersede everything for most, to the extent where their thought is to think Pogba wants to troll United fans rather than maybe GENUINELY being more concerned with showing support for his friend.

Said it earlier in this thread, but God help him if he chooses to take a sick Spanish old lady into his home during this crisis! People are so consumed that the first thing would be that she is Spanish! Take a day off guys.
 
youmeletsfly said:
So you classify Pogba(or any other human being) as being somewhat immature or a child based on a video in which he chose to support his friend and wear his shirt, disregarding it is another club's?

This might get me banned but you're fecked up mate. How in the world can you create such a connection about a guy you know jack shit about, a guy who's a parent as well? I know it's a forum and everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but some of you folks get this to another level of stupidity.
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Based on the fact he constantly behaves like a child.

Wearing a Juventus shirt in a video. Dying his hair blue when he's being linked to City. Constant snipey indirect remarks or references to his manager either via the media or his social media pages. Using his agent as a means to whine because he isn't man enough to do it himself. Not being able to do something as basic as take a penalty without turning it into an attention whore exercise.

When it's one incident you can overlook it quite easily. When you're on incident no 1,232 and still trying to tell other people they are fecked up for not making an excuse for every single one, you're an idiot. You're the mouse who 3 years into the experiment, still hasn't figured out that trying to take the cheese gives you an electric shock.

I actually don't dislike Pogba at all. I just don't think he's a particularly mature person or footballer and think that's quite an important factor if you want to build a succesful team. It's a vital one in fact, with Pogba about the best example/proof of this you will ever see. I find the people who just blindly deny or defend the obvious more annoying. You are actually getting angry and lashing out at the obvious being pointed out to you. As if you've anything to gain or lose from it.
 
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Rozay said:
Said it earlier in this thread, but God help him if he chooses to take a sick Spanish old lady into his home during this crisis! People are so consumed that the first thing would be that she is Spanish! Take a day off guys.
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Makes zero sense
 
Super agent Mino Raiola is coy over his summer plans for Manchester UTD midfielder Paul Pogba.

The France international is expected to leave United this summer, with Juventus and Real Madrid both keen.

And Raiola commented to Marca: "Paul is going through a difficult period, but let's be clear because in England, they are sensitive on the subject.

"Pogba is focused on making a good end of the season with Manchester UTD. He wants to return to the team and finish the season on a high note so that United can reach the Champions League. We can't say what's going to happen, we can't know.

"Today it is the club that counts, the team, and then we will see what can happen. There was a lot of interest, but it was not possible. Last year doesn't count anymore. We will see what happens."
 
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Italian super agent Mino Raiola admits he wants to work closer with Real Madrid.

"I have great hopes that one day I can bring a great footballer to Real Madrid.. Today I have Areola but it is a somewhat failed operation because it is a loan. I want to bring a footballer and I will try this summer. It would be a source of pride for me and my footballers because Real Madrid. is a big club."
 
Focusmate said:
Honestly no I don’t think he cares even a tiny bit. I think Pogba cares about Pogba, which is fair enough often successful people are like that. He wanted to come back as a stepping stone to Madrid thinking Mourinho guaranteed trophies. As soon as that changed he wanted out even getting his agent to tout him to City.
Not sure how much Ronaldo or Rooney care about United but they never disrespected the club like Pogba/Raiola.
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Ronaldo said he was a modern day slave, and Rooney had his tantrum too.
Pogba wanted out because he wants to win. Ole is showing him the path and that is enough. To assume that Pogba doesn't feel anything for United is wrong, he came as a teenager and knows so many people at the club... and this is exactly what Ole is bringing back. The big family, we are in this altogether kind of mindset. I think Pogba will at least re-think what are his chances to win again the league and the CL with United. With Ole, there is a high chance now because the team is building. He will consider that.
 
sp_107 said:
Italian super agent Mino Raiola admits he wants to work closer with Real Madrid.

"I have great hopes that one day I can bring a great footballer to Real Madrid.. Today I have Areola but it is a somewhat failed operation because it is a loan. I want to bring a footballer and I will try this summer. It would be a source of pride for me and my footballers because Real Madrid. is a big club."
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Send Dybala then mate!
 
sp_107 said:
Italian super agent Mino Raiola admits he wants to work closer with Real Madrid.

"I have great hopes that one day I can bring a great footballer to Real Madrid.. Today I have Areola but it is a somewhat failed operation because it is a loan. I want to bring a footballer and I will try this summer. It would be a source of pride for me and my footballers because Real Madrid. is a big club."
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Lingard should be available.
 
VP89 said:
Pogba haters, really? Please, grow up.

His agent said a whirlwind load of shit prior to that to which Pogba didn't come out and distance himself. So many pundits, journalists and also ex players came out to ask why Pogba himself doesn't come out and clear it up. Is anyone that holds this view a Pogba hater?


I want to believe what him and Raiola say and Pogba's on words about his future is that he wants a new challenge. Juventus is just one of the names that may be interested, I don't give a feck about what club it is.


I literally said that I personally don't give a feck about what he wears. I can judge and compare his actions to other players how I like. That's my choice.
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Because that's just his stance. He doesn't deny or acknowledge anything, it might be frustrating for you but that's the way it is.

You say you don't care, but from your posts you (and others) clearly do. The fact we are even talking about this shows that.

Why aren't you complaining about Lindelof?
 
I dont really care about the shirt thing.

I think Ole likes him as a person and as a player but I think he wants players that put United first and Pogba never will.
 
bsCallout said:
I dont really care about the shirt thing.

I think Ole likes him as a person and as a player but I think he wants players that put United first and Pogba never will.
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You nailed it mate.
Ole was very keen at the beginning and he wanted to build a team around Pogba but it appears that landscape has changed and sure Ole might have realised it after closely working with Pogba for more than 18 months.
 
Maticmaker said:
Really? What other clubs fans would not be offended if any ex-United player, who was also now their highest paid player, allowed himself to be photographed wearing a United shirt?
Pogba is slipping down the leader board of 'must have players' , this is totally designed to shock, both he and his agent know this. If this doesn't convince Ole and Ed to cash in on him, nothing will!
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Zaha and memphis did this recently and no one gave a crap.
 
sp_107 said:
You nailed it mate.
Ole was very keen at the beginning and he wanted to build a team around Pogba but it appears that landscape has changed and sure Ole might have realised it after closely working with Pogba for more than 18 months.
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He literally said this during his last interview though...

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Along with the reports of the club activating his extra year option and Ole saying that he's excited and looking forward to having his best players on the pitch together when asked specifically about Pogba playing with Bruno.
 
TheLittleOne said:
I just gave you one example. One which happened multiple times. The reason it's always him who is being criticized is because it's always him who does things like that! None of our other players do that.
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What has Paul Pogba himself done?

He's being criticized because he made ONE comment earlier in the year and people can't let it go. That's literally the only thing that is happening here.
 
Rolaholic said:
Moreso likely that people aren't as willing to overlook context entirely so easily with one player compared to the other
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and how did we get to this point? Right on cue his agent is at it again saying he wants to get him to Madrid. if these are your tactics, expect the backlash
 
sp_107 said:
Italian super agent Mino Raiola admits he wants to work closer with Real Madrid.

"I have great hopes that one day I can bring a great footballer to Real Madrid.. Today I have Areola but it is a somewhat failed operation because it is a loan. I want to bring a footballer and I will try this summer. It would be a source of pride for me and my footballers because Real Madrid. is a big club."
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He is not a super agent.
He will go down in the history as super agent if he can sell Lingard to RM for 50m. There will be a statue of him at OT.
 
noodlehair said:
Based on the fact he constantly behaves like a child.

Wearing a Juventus shirt in a video. Dying his hair blue when he's being linked to City. Constant snipey indirect remarks or references to his manager either via the media or his social media pages. Using his agent as a means to whine because he isn't man enough to do it himself. Not being able to do something as basic as take a penalty without turning it into an attention whore exercise.

When it's one incident you can overlook it quite easily. When you're on incident no 1,232 and still trying to tell other people they are fecked up for not making an excuse for every single one, you're an idiot. You're the mouse who 3 years into the experiment, still hasn't figured out that trying to take the cheese gives you an electric shock.

I actually don't dislike Pogba at all. I just don't think he's a particularly mature person or footballer and think that's quite an important factor if you want to build a succesful team. It's a vital one in fact, with Pogba about the best example/proof of this you will ever see. I find the people who just blindly deny or defend the obvious more annoying. You are actually getting angry and lashing out at the obvious being pointed out to you. As if you've anything to gain or lose from it.
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Well said mate, couldnt agree more. France's world cup win is always used on here to defend him. However i think it's just another demonstration of his feckless attitude towards united. The WC proved that he could act and play with maturity but it went out the window again soon as the WC was over and he was back at united. It was back to the old immature PP afterwards.

Clearly he wants to leave, I dont think we will miss him that much (we haven't looked good as we have recently in years and he hasn't been in the team) so no complaints from me if he leaves in the summer.
 
noodlehair said:
Based on the fact he constantly behaves like a child.

Wearing a Juventus shirt in a video. Dying his hair blue when he's being linked to City. Constant snipey indirect remarks or references to his manager either via the media or his social media pages. Using his agent as a means to whine because he isn't man enough to do it himself. Not being able to do something as basic as take a penalty without turning it into an attention whore exercise.

When it's one incident you can overlook it quite easily. When you're on incident no 1,232 and still trying to tell other people they are fecked up for not making an excuse for every single one, you're an idiot. You're the mouse who 3 years into the experiment, still hasn't figured out that trying to take the cheese gives you an electric shock.

I actually don't dislike Pogba at all. I just don't think he's a particularly mature person or footballer and think that's quite an important factor if you want to build a succesful team. It's a vital one in fact, with Pogba about the best example/proof of this you will ever see. I find the people who just blindly deny or defend the obvious more annoying. You are actually getting angry and lashing out at the obvious being pointed out to you. As if you've anything to gain or lose from it.
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Brilliant :lol:
 
Rolaholic said:
He literally said this during his last interview though...


Along with the reports of the club activating his extra year option and Ole saying that he's excited and looking forward to having his best players on the pitch together when asked specifically about Pogba playing with Bruno.
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You mean like he did with Sanchez before he went, and Lukaku when it was clear he was leaving?

Ole never, ever, throws a player under the bus under any circumstances and will not fuel any talk.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Because that's just his stance. He doesn't deny or acknowledge anything, it might be frustrating for you but that's the way it is.
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His stance is that he doesn't deny or acknowledge his agent acting on his behalf and completely disrespecting the club? OK so yes, that is a problem and Pogba is accountable for it - what's so hard to understand?
Adam-Utd said:
You say you don't care, but from your posts you (and others) clearly do. The fact we are even talking about this shows that.

Why aren't you complaining about Lindelof?
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I don't care about the shirts. I care about the agent comments - please follow what I said! I generally think Pogba is overly self absorbed (the man put a fecking dab advert as a tip to avoid coronavirus for fecksake) but I don't care about his personality as much as I do about him allowing our club to be disrespected.
 
noodlehair said:
Based on the fact he constantly behaves like a child.

Wearing a Juventus shirt in a video. Dying his hair blue when he's being linked to City. Constant snipey indirect remarks or references to his manager either via the media or his social media pages. Using his agent as a means to whine because he isn't man enough to do it himself. Not being able to do something as basic as take a penalty without turning it into an attention whore exercise.

When it's one incident you can overlook it quite easily. When you're on incident no 1,232 and still trying to tell other people they are fecked up for not making an excuse for every single one, you're an idiot. You're the mouse who 3 years into the experiment, still hasn't figured out that trying to take the cheese gives you an electric shock.

I actually don't dislike Pogba at all. I just don't think he's a particularly mature person or footballer and think that's quite an important factor if you want to build a succesful team. It's a vital one in fact, with Pogba about the best example/proof of this you will ever see. I find the people who just blindly deny or defend the obvious more annoying. You are actually getting angry and lashing out at the obvious being pointed out to you. As if you've anything to gain or lose from it.
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A theory that a player is immature in itself is fine. An assertion that a player has a ‘list’ of contraventions is fine. The spotlight then starts to turn on the accuser when, upon being challenged to list these transgressions, the list is of stuff like ‘his penalty run-up, his hair colour, wearing a Matuidi shirt’. That’s the time when the host cuts their mic and ushers them off stage to prevent them from embarrassing themselves.

These are all things that, if you, the media or whoever made no single comment about, it would be absolutely normal. If this is the shite people are confidently forwarding, as grown men, in their lists of grievances, they are the ones who should have their character questioned.

Football fandom has gotten out of hand. Next thing you will have a grown adult add to their ‘list’ the fact that he was wearing white trainers, and Real wear white. And are forwarding it confidently as if it is not in keeping with the views of a fecking 5 year old. Better off just being vague about it and limiting his offences to ‘stuff’ than to boldly list hair colours and how a player runs.

Just because these football commentators sometimes speak well and wear nice suits doesn’t mean they have sense. They may look intelligent, but they are the people having a panel analysis about a man’s hairstyle. Just because people keep repeating things give it no credence either. Boris is our Prime Minister. If it turned out he had a small tattoo on his wrist and loads of people decided to get offended about it, it doesn’t increase in validity with every extra offended person. It just means one more person who needs to get a grip. If the conversation was about him slapping his girlfriend, then perhaps it relates to his suitability or conduct for his role. Pogba’s run-up is a nonsense and matter nothing at all.

Sometimes it’s as if, in this country almost everyone except some Aryan, crew cut, chest thumping footballer has something extra to prove about their attitude to football.
 
He didn't have to wear the jersey. He knew it would controversy as he is heavily linked with going back to Juventus.

He could of just releasing a video message wishing Matuidi well.

He choose the option to wind up some of the fans and added smiley emojis to his comments.

If he doesn't want to be at United just let him go. All he's going to do is add toxicty to the changing room.

Bruno is a leader, Pogba is not. As soon as Pogba's and Jesse's antics are out of the club the better.
 
James Ward said:
He didn't have to wear the jersey. He knew it would controversy as he is heavily linked with going back to Juventus.

He could of just releasing a video message wishing Matuidi well.

He choose the option to wind up some of the fans and added smiley emojis to his comments.

If he doesn't want to be at United just let him go. All he's going to do is add toxicty to the changing room.

Bruno is a leader, Pogba is not. As soon as Pogba's and Jesse's antics are out of the club the better.
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Of course he didn’t HAVE to. But he did. And he did know that some people would find it controversial, hence he addressed those people in his caption for clarity. However, those people were never going to miss such an opportunity, so here we are.
 
Rozay said:
Of course he didn’t HAVE to. But he did. And he did know that some people would find it controversial, hence he addressed those people in his caption for clarity. However, those people were never going to miss such an opportunity, so here we are.
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Doesn't that show he wanted to do something controversial knowing that fans will pick up on that?

Realistically, if you know there will be negativity around, you stay away from it and wear a plain top or a United training top.

There must be a reason he is fuelling the fans.
 
romufc said:
Doesn't that show he wanted to do something controversial knowing that fans will pick up on that?

Realistically, if you know there will be negativity around, you stay away from it and wear a plain top or a United training top.

There must be a reason he is fuelling the fans.
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No. He obviously wanted to wear a Matuidi shirt, and I think the reasons for him wanting to do so are well known and totally valid. Despite that, he also chose to clarify/explain the Juventus shirt.

Do people really think that he is more concerned with pissing off our fans than he is about Matuidi? You think ‘he wanted to do something controversial’, I think his motivations were very different. He has been vocal since the outbreak, and now it’s a friend.

In reality, and in the current situation, it’s regrettable that such a clarification was required, and even more unfortunate that even still, people are so sensitive or emotionally fragile that we think he should have just worn a Manchester United shirt.

When I watched the video, the first thing I noticed was the Juve shirt. Then I thought, ‘FFS, last thing we need, that’s going to cause a new storm’. Then when he turned round to run back, I saw Matuidi’s name on it and thought she, makes sense then, fair enough’. All of this was before I even read the caption, in which he chose to spell it out. I didn’t even need a disclaimer. It’s a Matuidi shirt, he has Corona, they are friends. Nothing to see. And that is also before I even considered the fact that Victor Lindelöf is making the same gesture towards his own compatriot. Requiring he (they) do it plain shirts is petty and childish.

Getting involved with the ‘he should have shot it this way’ or perhaps he should have got a black marker and scribbled over Juve’s logo or something. Is that all necessary? Are we not adults?

There will probably be plenty of things to get pissed off at Paul Pogba for further down the line, but I think making this one of them doesn’t reflect well on the pissed off party, in my opinion.
 
Rozay said:
No. He obviously wanted to wear a Matuidi shirt, and I think the reasons for him wanting to do so are well known and totally valid. Despite that, he also chose to clarify/explain the Juventus shirt.

Do people really think that he is more concerned with pissing off our fans than he is about Matuidi? You think ‘he wanted to do something controversial’, I think his motivations were very different. He has been vocal since the outbreak, and now it’s a friend.

In reality, and in the current situation, it’s regrettable that such a clarification was required, and even more unfortunate that even still, people are so sensitive or emotionally fragile that we think he should have just worn a Manchester United shirt.

When I watched the video, the first thing I noticed was the Juve shirt. Then I thought, ‘FFS, last thing we need, that’s going to cause a new storm’. Then when he turned round to run back, I saw Matuidi’s name on it and thought she, makes sense then, fair enough’. All of this was before I even read the caption, in which he chose to spell it out. I didn’t even need a disclaimer. It’s a Matuidi shirt, he has Corona, they are friends. Nothing to see. And that is also before I even considered the fact that Victor Lindelöf is making the same gesture towards his own compatriot. Requiring he (they) do it plain shirts is petty and childish.

Getting involved with the ‘he should have shot it this way’ or perhaps he should have got a black marker and scribbled over Juve’s logo or something. Is that all necessary? Are we not adults?

There will probably be plenty of things to get pissed off at Paul Pogba for further down the line, but I think making this one of them doesn’t reflect well on the pissed off party, in my opinion.
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In terms of him training in a Juve top, I couldn't give a damn. He could have worn a Madrid one for all I care.

He is just training, and is contracted to Manutd at the moment and if he leaves there will be a big fee.

The point I am getting at is that he didn't need to, all it does is creates an issue in the fan group. Easily avoidable.
 
Focusmate said:
Honestly no I don’t think he cares even a tiny bit. I think Pogba cares about Pogba, which is fair enough often successful people are like that. He wanted to come back as a stepping stone to Madrid thinking Mourinho guaranteed trophies. As soon as that changed he wanted out even getting his agent to tout him to City.
Not sure how much Ronaldo or Rooney care about United but they never disrespected the club like Pogba/Raiola.
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You're talking to the wall mate. Some people would rip every player we've had just to defend Pogba. Keane, Rooney, Rio, Beckham and RVN all had issues with the club at some point but Pogba feels different. He shouldn't have come back to be honest. He seems a great guy but he's just not taking this club seriously.
Since Zlatan left there's been no one to tell him to wind it in. This shitty season we've have a few leaders emerge and recent signs of
improvement, all without Paul Pogba. It's one thing after another with very little coming from him that indicates his live or commitment to the club.
One moment for me that encapsulates Pogba's time here was that take down against Southampton. A beautiful piece of skill followed by a careless disregard for what's going on around him. While he basked in the seconds applause a Southampton player literally strolled up and took the ball from him.
 
Pogba has his own fans all wound up trying to defend this one :lol: He's like the pied piper leading a bunch of mice in Pogba kits, he knows what he's doing. As long as there are gullible true fans to defend him he won't stop doing this shit. He's a WUM and a clown.
 
Rozay said:
No. He obviously wanted to wear a Matuidi shirt, and I think the reasons for him wanting to do so are well known and totally valid. Despite that, he also chose to clarify/explain the Juventus shirt.

Do people really think that he is more concerned with pissing off our fans than he is about Matuidi? You think ‘he wanted to do something controversial’, I think his motivations were very different. He has been vocal since the outbreak, and now it’s a friend.

In reality, and in the current situation, it’s regrettable that such a clarification was required, and even more unfortunate that even still, people are so sensitive or emotionally fragile that we think he should have just worn a Manchester United shirt.

When I watched the video, the first thing I noticed was the Juve shirt. Then I thought, ‘FFS, last thing we need, that’s going to cause a new storm’. Then when he turned round to run back, I saw Matuidi’s name on it and thought she, makes sense then, fair enough’. All of this was before I even read the caption, in which he chose to spell it out. I didn’t even need a disclaimer. It’s a Matuidi shirt, he has Corona, they are friends. Nothing to see. And that is also before I even considered the fact that Victor Lindelöf is making the same gesture towards his own compatriot. Requiring he (they) do it plain shirts is petty and childish.

Getting involved with the ‘he should have shot it this way’ or perhaps he should have got a black marker and scribbled over Juve’s logo or something. Is that all necessary? Are we not adults?

There will probably be plenty of things to get pissed off at Paul Pogba for further down the line, but I think making this one of them doesn’t reflect well on the pissed off party, in my opinion.
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He killed two birds with one stone and is a scummy thing to do. He wants to go to Madrid or return to Juventus, adds fuel to the fire and reignites the rumors.

He could have just releasing a video wishing him well along with a million other ways. He knew it would controversy and released it anyway to be a wind up merchant.

People still defending and his antics. Sorry but not going to flatter his Ego.

Wearing the jersey of a club your linked to is not okay. Victor is not linked to Sampdoria and hasn't expressed his desire to leave United.
 
romufc said:
In terms of him training in a Juve top, I couldn't give a damn. He could have worn a Madrid one for all I care.

He is just training, and is contracted to Manutd at the moment and if he leaves there will be a big fee.

The point I am getting at is that he didn't need to, all it does is creates an issue in the fan group. Easily avoidable.
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This is the point though.

Pogba doesn't care what everybody else thinks. If he wants to wear a Matuidi shirt he's gonna do it ffs :lol: if people want to get upset by it then that's their issue.

I think by now it's clear he doesn't listen to other people's opinions, and he will always live his life this way.
 
Now anyone not joining the rabid brigade in losing it over his every move is a WUM or not a real fan :wenger:

The pathological state of some of you...

Grown men genuinely wound up over innocuous social media posts constantly, my word :lol:
 
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