[Jeppers7]

wow, just...wow. Board and player deserve each other

Hilarious that people want to believe Paul Pogba chose to sign for United because of social media clicks. The amount of things that would go into a decision to leave Juve at that time and chose another club in another country. But yeah that’ll be the reason.

 

[Sparky_Hughes]

I think you're missing the point. Liverpool fans never made an Anfield a shithole for their own players. The Suarez thing was a perfect example of that even if they were in the wrong.

Paul konchesky would disagree

 

[VanDeBank]

I couldn’t care less if Pogba left for free, I’ve wanted him and some others gone for years and I’m glad most of them will be leaving this summer.

It’s well documented he was flirting with Madrid but they wouldn’t offer more than 50m, which was way short of United’s valuation. If Pogba really wanted out he could have waived various agent fees and lowered his salary demands, I’m sure Madrid would have been happy to buy him out if they really wanted him.

All the players that have come to United on big contracts and found themselves stuck only have themselves to blame.

So you blame Pogba because he didn't leave when United couldn't get more than 50 million for him? Instead of the club not taking the 50m?

The fact he used his agent and brother to basically whore himself out to all and sundry never sat well with the fans or the club hierarchy, which leads me to think that had we received an acceptable offer for Pogba in the last couple of years, he wouldn't be here right now.

I don't believe that the club held him against his will, not with the likes of SAF sitting on the board of directors - who has proven multiple times during his career that no one is bigger than the club. Becks, Stam, Ruud all learned that the hard way. If Pogba wanted out and we found a club prepared to meet our valuation, he'd be long gone by now.

I think it's more reasonable to believe the club didn't receive an acceptable bid for Pogba, so he decided to run his contract down in order to force a move away. I'm only guessing, but I find that easier to believe than slavery.

The poster above says it's well reported we were offered 50 million for him. If the club doesn't deem it acceptable, that's on the club.
And please shut up about slavery, just because you don't understand how a contract works. Thanks.

 

[Sparky_Hughes]

I didn't see yesterday's match, tbh I'm so fecking sick of several players just half arsing it I thought, for the first time ever "if they can't be bothered to put some effort in then I can find better things to do with my time", but regardless of how pogba played he needs to go, for his sake and ours, the relationship is too far gone to be retrieved and in now way is he worth the salary he is going to want.

 

[crossy1686]

So you blame Pogba because he didn't leave when United couldn't get more than 50 million for him? Instead of the club not taking the 50m?



The poster above says it's well reported we were offered 50 million for him. If the club doesn't deem it acceptable, that's on the club.
And please shut up about slavery, just because you don't understand how a contract works. Thanks.

I don’t blame Pogba for anything, I’m not sure what hill you’re trying to die on here.

He had the opportunity to leave then didn’t for whatever reason, and that’s something we’ll never know.

Pogba’s leaving on a free and I have no problem with that. I’m sure where ever he goes he will have the same criticisms but hopefully they will be less dependent on him, for his sake.

Im not sure why you’re trying so vehemently to defend what has been a distinctly average 6 years at United. When you look at the transfer fee and his salary over the years he’s absolutely not worth the money (not his fault), but fans have the right to be disappointed with his output over that time, which is what happened yesterday.

 

[VanDeBank]

I don’t blame Pogba for anything, I’m not sure what hill you’re trying to die on here.

He had the opportunity to leave then didn’t for whatever reason, and that’s something we’ll never know.

Pogba’s leaving on a free and I have no problem with that. I’m sure where ever he goes he will have the same criticisms but hopefully they will be less dependent on him, for his sake.

Im not sure why you’re trying so vehemently to defend what has been a distinctly average 6 years at United. When you look at the transfer fee and his salary over the years he’s absolutely not worth the money (not his fault), but fans have the right to be disappointed with his output over that time, which is what happened yesterday.

I'm making the point that he shouldn't be boo'd, and pointing out it could even be detrimental to his future performance this season.

Apparently this offends people that love that he's being bood and bring up all sorts of reasons why it's okay. "he's leaving on a free again", "he's been average", bla bla bla.

Booing him could negatively affect the club, so you're being a knob by doing so.

Personally, I'd rather not do something that could make him play worse, then part ways at the end of the season and bye bye.

 

[crossy1686]

I'm making the point that he shouldn't be boo'd, and pointing out it could even be detrimental to his future performance this season.

Apparently this offends people that love that he's being bood and bring up all sorts of reasons why it's okay. "he's leaving on a free again", "he's been average", bla bla bla.

Booing him could negatively affect the club, so you're being a knob by doing so.

Personally, I'd rather not do something that could make him play worse, then part ways at the end of the season and bye bye.

I think being worried about what makes Paul Pogba play better or worse is something his new club should be focusing on. United fans don’t need to concern themselves with that anymore. And on that point they’ve bit their collective tongue for 6 years while he talks about Madrid every international break.

There’s a lot of things that aren’t Pogba’s fault and I feel sorry for him for some of the abuse he gets but when you run your contract down for the second time you’re going to get shit for it, and if he thinks he’s not then he’s tone deaf to what the fans think in general

 

[R'hllor]

Farming likes and followers, football club they said.

 

[Random Task]

So you blame Pogba because he didn't leave when United couldn't get more than 50 million for him? Instead of the club not taking the 50m?



The poster above says it's well reported we were offered 50 million for him. If the club doesn't deem it acceptable, that's on the club.
And please shut up about slavery, just because you don't understand how a contract works. Thanks.

No, mate, he's not "just" leaving on a free.. He wanted to leave 2 years and the club didn't let him.

You alluded to slavery (the football equivalent of it) by implying the club refused to let him leave, then have a pop at me about it when I attempt to disprove your theory? Bit harsh

The club may or may not have received a bid for Pogba, I honestly don't know because I don't work for the club. I get all my information from the media just like everyone else, you included I'm sure. But had the club received a bid within their valuation range for Pogba, it stands to reason that it would have been accepted, no? Why would they refuse the sale and allow the player to leave for free, costing them millions in the process? That's nonsensical, mate.

 

[dirkey]

Let's be clear, Pogba detractors are 100% correct when they complain about Pogba's inconsistency. That inconsistency has nothing to do with his role in the team, he was inconsistent for Juventus and is inconsistent for France. Pogba is inherently inconsistent. Now the issue for me is that it was a known fact, you can't blame a player for being what you purchased.

He's been inconsistent with way less impressive performances though, and far less work ethic.

 

[JPRouve]

He's been inconsistent with way less impressive performances though, and far less work ethic.

What do you know about his work ethic?

 

[VanDeBank]

I think being worried about what makes Paul Pogba play better or worse is something his new club should be focusing on. United fans don’t need to concern themselves with that anymore. And on that point they’ve bit their collective tongue for 6 years while he talks about Madrid every international break.

There’s a lot of things that aren’t Pogba’s fault and I feel sorry for him for some of the abuse he gets but when you run your contract down for the second time you’re going to get shit for it, and if he thinks he’s not then he’s tone deaf to what the fans think in general

You make it sound like I'm implying fans should worry about how Pogba takes his tea.

He rarely if ever talks shit, he uses his agent for that. I dont know where you're getting this talk about madrid every international break thing from??? Thats incredibly hyperbolic.

United fans rarely boo and the fact is Pogba hasnt done anything bad enough to warrant booing.

You want him gone, but you also think he deserves booing because he's leaving on a free. So in effect you're hold it against it he isnt signing a new deal

I think it's incredibly unreasonable to expect him to extend just so the club can pocket a transfer fee and he loses out on a signing on fee.

This isn't unheard of, but to boo someone for not doing it is incredibly excessive, especially for a fanbase that doesnt boo their own players.

From what was reported it seemed like the club didnt want to sell him last year either, which fits with Ole's hoarding strategy.

He's leaving on a free because the club chose not to sell. Express your annoyance at the club. Don't boo Pogba.

You alluded to slavery (the football equivalent of it) by implying the club refused to let him leave, then have a pop at me about it when I attempt to disprove your theory? Bit harsh

The club may or may not have received a bid for Pogba, I honestly don't know because I don't work for the club. I get all my information from the media just like everyone else, you included I'm sure. But had the club received a bid within their valuation range for Pogba, it stands to reason that it would have been accepted, no? Why would they refuse the sale and allow the player to leave for free, costing them millions in the process? That's nonsensical, mate.

I didnt allude to slavery and theres no "footballing equivalent" to it.

You're an ignorant person. Go educate yourself.

 

[Eli Zee]

I loved Pogba, and still do. He doesn't put in enough effort though and is far too lackadaisical.

Yesterday I remember he made a bad pass to Telles, the opposition gets it, and the opposition player next to Pogba starts running for a pass while Pogba is jogging slow for about 2 seconds leaving the man open before realizing "I gave the ball away and there's danger, why am I jogging rn?"

i believe this team will be better off with him gone and finding a more consistent replacement to fill his position.

 

[JPRouve]

You make it sound like I'm implying fans should worry about how Pogba takes his tea.

He rarely if ever talks shit, he uses his agent for that. I dont know where you're getting this talk about madrid every international break thing from??? Thats incredibly hyperbolic.

United fans rarely boo and the fact is Pogba hasnt done anything bad enough to warrant booing.

You want him gone, but you also think he deserves booing because he's leaving on a free. So in effect you're hold it against it he isnt signing a new deal

I think it's incredibly unreasonable to expect him to extend just so the club can pocket a transfer fee and he loses out on a signing on fee.

This isn't unheard of, but to boo someone for not doing it is incredibly excessive, especially for a fanbase that doesnt boo their own players.

From what was reported it seemed like the club didnt want to sell him last year either, which fits with Ole's hoarding strategy.

He's leaving on a free because the club chose not to sell. Express your annoyance at the club. Don't boo Pogba.


I didnt allude to slavery and theres no "footballing equivalent" to it.

You're an ignorant person. Go educate yourself.

When Zidane was the manager, the french press would ask top french players about Real Madrid at almost every international break and they would all give political answers including Pogba. Kanté and Pogba had it the most but they were even doing it for Griezmann when he was playing for Atletico.

 

[Random Task]

I didnt allude to slavery and theres no "footballing equivalent" to it.

You're an ignorant person. Go educate yourself.

You kinda did allude to it, knowingly or otherwise. Resorting to name-calling won't change that, mate. It's irrelevant anyway as I don't believe there was ever a bid for Pogba - not an acceptable one anyway.

Had the club received a bid within their valuation range for Pogba, it stands to reason that it would have been accepted, no? Why would they refuse the sale and allow the player to leave for free, costing them millions in the process?

What are your thoughts on the above?

 

[clarkydaz]

But had the club received a bid within their valuation range for Pogba, it stands to reason that it would have been accepted, no? Why would they refuse the sale and allow the player to leave for free, costing them millions in the process? That's nonsensical, mate.

I wonder what their valuation of him was a few years ago, on the back of the silly Neymar transfer. United may have wanted similar siilly money to sell. Then his wages and agent ontop

 

[crossy1686]

You make it sound like I'm implying fans should worry about how Pogba takes his tea.

He rarely if ever talks shit, he uses his agent for that. I dont know where you're getting this talk about madrid every international break thing from??? Thats incredibly hyperbolic.

United fans rarely boo and the fact is Pogba hasnt done anything bad enough to warrant booing.

You want him gone, but you also think he deserves booing because he's leaving on a free. So in effect you're hold it against it he isnt signing a new deal

I think it's incredibly unreasonable to expect him to extend just so the club can pocket a transfer fee and he loses out on a signing on fee.

This isn't unheard of, but to boo someone for not doing it is incredibly excessive, especially for a fanbase that doesnt boo their own players.

From what was reported it seemed like the club didnt want to sell him last year either, which fits with Ole's hoarding strategy.

He's leaving on a free because the club chose not to sell. Express your annoyance at the club. Don't boo Pogba.


I didnt allude to slavery and theres no "footballing equivalent" to it.

You're an ignorant person. Go educate yourself.

I don’t know how many times I have to repeat this before you drop this narrative but I don’t care if Pogba leaves on a free as long as he leaves, and I can also understand why some fans choose to boo him after the last 6 years. It’s their choice, if they want to voice it then so be it, it’s also fine for Pogba to give some back if he feels it’s unfair.

You’re banging a fecking drum on something you think you’ve nailed on some sort of technicality, like you’ve been completely ignorant to the last 6 years, when the reality is people are just fed up with him in general, and they’re entitled to feel that way.

 

[DJ_21]

Pogba is one of the most creative midfielders in the world… he can make passes that other players could only dream of making. To be fair to him he’s never played with a proper DM for us… I guarantee if we had a DM someone like the guy from Monaco then he’d be world class next season. Pogba gets blamed for everything every time we lose. He’ll be missed when he leaves and shines for another team.

 

[Tibs]

Been an agenda against PP since he joined IMO.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

Been an agenda against PP since he joined IMO.

This./

Genuinely never felt worse about a transfer not working out.

 

[Roane]

Been an agenda against PP since he joined IMO.

Absolutely. Don't get me wrong things haven't worked at UTD, but is it the player or UTD? Too many players looking like they haven't played football before to suggest it's an individual.

People talk about his agent, and yeah he has said stuff but there is almost always a context. You can't take it in isolation. Jose and PP falling out had comments come out, PP and the fans at the end of the season had comments come out. Basically there have been instigating factors. I accept those who will say it's still wrong but let's look at the whole picture.

There has always been very positive feedback from club and players about PP. His going out of his way for youngsters and new arrivals is well documented.

It's also documented that money wasn't an issue for him, ok he wouldn't play for free but it's never been the biggest factor for him. There was a recent report that he may have got more at RM from Juve but chose UTD as it offered playing time and trophies.

I think there is a Rooney type situation going on here. If UTD made certain assurances and signed better players and a decent coach I think PP stays. Must be gutting for him as individual to come off the back of a WC medal to mediocrity.

As an aside I don't think he has fully recovered from COVID. His stamina was never an issue for him unless anyone can point to that.

I won't shed a tear if he moves on but as a UTD fan would have loved to see him play with a half decent team/players around him. But then again as a UTD fan I'd like to see us have a half decent team/players generally. And a quality manager.

 

[He'sRaldo]

I loved Pogba, and still do. He doesn't put in enough effort though and is far too lackadaisical.

Yesterday I remember he made a bad pass to Telles, the opposition gets it, and the opposition player next to Pogba starts running for a pass while Pogba is jogging slow for about 2 seconds leaving the man open before realizing "I gave the ball away and there's danger, why am I jogging rn?"

i believe this team will be better off with him gone and finding a more consistent replacement to fill his position.

Agree with every word, I think he's given up tbh.

In his point of view what's the use of giving his all? CL for a club he won't play in next season? No trophies to aim for? Pleasing the fans who despise his guts? I don't see where the motivation is coming from.

And even if he did want to put his body on the line, what would be the use of that? We're not competing or even in the conversation. In fact, Rashford a few years back sacrificed himself physically for the club, but because we didn't win any trophies in that time period, go in his performance threads right now and see the thanks he gets for it.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

Absolutely. Don't get me wrong things haven't worked at UTD, but is it the player or UTD? Too many players looking like they haven't played football before to suggest it's an individual.

People talk about his agent, and yeah he has said stuff but there is almost always a context. You can't take it in isolation. Jose and PP falling out had comments come out, PP and the fans at the end of the season had comments come out. Basically there have been instigating factors. I accept those who will say it's still wrong but let's look at the whole picture.

There has always been very positive feedback from club and players about PP. His going out of his way for youngsters and new arrivals is well documented.

It's also documented that money wasn't an issue for him, ok he wouldn't play for free but it's never been the biggest factor for him. There was a recent report that he may have got more at RM from Juve but chose UTD as it offered playing time and trophies.

I think there is a Rooney type situation going on here. If UTD made certain assurances and signed better players and a decent coach I think PP stays. Must be gutting for him as individual to come off the back of a WC medal to mediocrity.

As an aside I don't think he has fully recovered from COVID. His stamina was never an issue for him unless anyone can point to that.

I won't shed a tear if he moves on but as a UTD fan would have loved to see him play with a half decent team/players around him. But then again as a UTD fan I'd like to see us have a half decent team/players generally. And a quality manager.

All this & I’ll add I simply don’t get people that revel in his failures. It’s pretty hard to take elements of this board seriously who get up in arms over every Pogba misplaced pass then want to tell people how things will be different for Luke Shaw under manager number 5 & tell people Harry Maguire is simply in bad form. The standards should be the standards & Pogba has fallen short of those but so many others have also.

It can’t be said enough how players that share a dressing room with him speak highly, he’s certainly downed tools at this point but again most of the team have. The issue with Pogba throughout this stint have been the glaring double standards. Before people chime in, he’s been to blame for his personal performances which on the whole haven’t been good enough but numerous players in the last 5 years have been worse.

 

[dirkey]

What do you know about his work ethic?

I see it every time he plays. I can see how he strolls around the park, especially after losing the ball. I don't care about any other work Ethic. If he's busting his ass in training every week, I couldn't care less, because he brings none of that to the field,not in a united shirt.

 

[tentan]

He’ll be missed when he leaves and shines for another team.

Because he will have good teammates who make him look good

 

[VictoriaRed]

At the end of the day, Sir Alex was right to not give into his wage demands. He’s not a United player, plain and simple.

 

[Kostov]

I think his conduct just after the accident with Maguire was pretty unprofessional and petty, not sure many will agree with me. At a time when everyone and their dog wants a piece of your teammate, I think he wanted a part of it. Didn't help that Maguire didn't even bother to check what happened, but not sure he realized that he hit him. It speaks volumes about this team however, and the guy wearing the armband.

 

[DJ_21]

Because he will have good teammates who make him look good

That’s just like saying we’ve got awful players that make him look rubbish…. He’s been playing with mctominay and Fred. He hasn’t been playing in his best position with a proper DM. It’s the same for every single player, you could argue that the majority of the team look rubbish because there playing with bang average players. When you play with world class players it makes everyone around you play better.

 

[JPRouve]

At the end of the day, Sir Alex was right to not give into his wage demands. He’s not a United player, plain and simple.

That didn't happen.

 

[Thiagoal]

Agree with every word, I think he's given up tbh.

In his point of view what's the use of giving his all? CL for a club he won't play in next season? No trophies to aim for? Pleasing the fans who despise his guts? I don't see where the motivation is coming from.

And even if he did want to put his body on the line, what would be the use of that? We're not competing or even in the conversation. In fact, Rashford a few years back sacrificed himself physically for the club, but because we didn't win any trophies in that time period, go in his performance threads right now and see the thanks he gets for it.

This post, ironically defending Pogba, is the reason he’s despised by some.

The guy is earning more in a week than some do in a few years- he should be professional and give his all until the day comes and he is no longer employed! If I downed tools in my job months before leaving for a new employer, my reputation would be permanently damaged and I’d probably be dismissed for gross misconduct.

The fact he’s checked out and given up on the season tells you everything you need to know about his attitude! Can’t wait till he’s no longer associated with the club

 

[He'sRaldo]

This post, ironically defending Pogba, is the reason he’s despised by some.

The guy is earning more in a week than some do in a few years- he should be professional and give his all until the day comes and he is no longer employed! If I downed tools in my job months before leaving for a new employer, my reputation would be permanently damaged and I’d probably be dismissed for gross misconduct.

The fact he’s checked out and given up on the season tells you everything you need to know about his attitude! Can’t wait till he’s no longer associated with the club

How is me saying a player has given up and agreeing with a post criticizing him, a defence of said player? Once a player gives up it's over for him at the club.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

At the end of the day, Sir Alex was right to not give into his wage demands. He’s not a United player, plain and simple.

Another fallacy people run with to make themselves feel better.

 

[clarkydaz]

Another fallacy people run with to make themselves feel better.

Raiola reportedly was demanding more money, fergie said no. That's where they fell out

 

[JPRouve]

Raiola reportedly was demanding more money, fergie said no. That's where they fell out

SAF is on record saying that he didn't think Pogba and Raiola had any intention to accept an offer from United, he actually clearly stated that it is the one thing that disappointed him, that Pogba didn't make it clear. On the other hand in 2012 Pogba signed a contract worth 26k per week with Juventus. Pogba left for more game time, even with his following extension he wasn't on a particularly big contract, it was around 100k.

 

[Random Task]

SAF is on record saying that he didn't think Pogba and Raiola had any intention to accept an offer from United, he actually clearly stated that it is the one thing that disappointed him, that Pogba didn't make it clear. On the other hand in 2012 Pogba signed a contract worth 26k per week with Juventus. Pogba left for more game time, even with his following extension he wasn't on a particularly big contract, it was around 100k.

I could be mistaken because it's been years since I read Fergie's book, but I'm sure I remember him stating that Raiola demanded "a load of money" - a backhander I guess - to convince Pogba to extend his contract. It's unknown if Raiola acted independently or Pogba asked him to relay that message to Fergie, but I wouldn't be surprised either way.

 

[Jeppers7]

This post, ironically defending Pogba, is the reason he’s despised by some.

The guy is earning more in a week than some do in a few years- he should be professional and give his all until the day comes and he is no longer employed! If I downed tools in my job months before leaving for a new employer, my reputation would be permanently damaged and I’d probably be dismissed for gross misconduct.

The fact he’s checked out and given up on the season tells you everything you need to know about his attitude! Can’t wait till he’s no longer associated with the club

You’re aware Paul Pogba didn’t write that post?

 

[clarkydaz]

I could be mistaken because it's been years since I read Fergie's book, but I'm sure I remember him stating that Raiola demanded "a load of money" - a backhander I guess - to convince Pogba to extend his contract. It's unknown if Raiola acted independently or Pogba asked him to relay that message to Fergie, but I wouldn't be surprised either way.

Former Italian striker Antonio Cassano recently spoke to Bobo TV to give his opinion on Pogba, and gave some inside information about exactly what happened between Pogba, Raiola and Ferguson that summer.

"I know that when he (Pogba) still had to make his debut with Manchester United, Mino Raiola went to Ferguson asking him for a lot of money to get him to sign the contract," he said.


"Ferguson asked the agent if he knew what kind of player Pogba was, and Raiola replied by saying no. He cared little, those were their requests and if they were not met they would go away.

"Without batting an eye, Ferguson ruled that Pogba could also go away."

 

[JPRouve]

I could be mistaken because it's been years since I read Fergie's book, but I'm sure I remember him stating that Raiola demanded "a load of money" - a backhander I guess - to convince Pogba to extend his contract. It's unknown if Raiola acted independently or Pogba asked him to relay that message to Fergie, but I wouldn't be surprised either way.

Raiola wasn't Pogba's agent at the time but an intermediary for Juventus. His agent was Tanazefti. The short story is that Juventus paid Raiola to convince Pogba when Pogba wasn't a client of Raiola, it's possible that Raiola tried to play both side but when it comes to Pogba himself he didn't leave for money and didn't get a large contract and surprisingly not even a signing on fee.

 

[Jeppers7]

In April of the year Pogba left SAF sent Rio and Evra to speak with him and United had come up with a contract offer that SAF thought Pogba would accept. The club even leaked it to the media that it was expected Pogba would sign the contract. However it was too late, the Juve offer had already been agreed and that’s what angered SAF.

Stories that SAF wanted rid of Pogba are as ridiculous as stories that Pogba made his decision to sign for United on the basis of more social media clicks. The rush of people to believe such nonsense has always astounded me.

 

[Dan_F]

I think his conduct just after the accident with Maguire was pretty unprofessional and petty, not sure many will agree with me. At a time when everyone and their dog wants a piece of your teammate, I think he wanted a part of it. Didn't help that Maguire didn't even bother to check what happened, but not sure he realized that he hit him. It speaks volumes about this team however, and the guy wearing the armband.

Yeah massive red flags all over that incident. That look Pogba gave him afterwards. All is not well in that dressing room.