The morbidly curious part of me would like to see him link up with Kante at Chelsea, just to see how good he could be in the league with a top DM and top manager.
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Exactly.There ain't a single player in the history of football who wouldn't benefit from more time and space
His wage and transfer fees aren't relevant to his on field performances. Because he didn't choose his transfer, it was a transaction between United and Juventus, as for his wage Pogba is one of the best players in the world regardless of how much people expected from him and he is one of the most marketable players in the world which is how the club mainly makes money by using the club's and players' image. Pogba is without a doubt the most marketable player at United.
He’d be absolutely class for a few games invisible for a few and then he’d get injured.
Why is it so hard to admit to the fanboys he is one of the most inconsistent players. Talent wise probably he is the best in United but he is just inconsistent... I'd much rather we have a consistent N'didi for eg than him to win the league.
What stroke me when watching the game yesterday, was all the space Pogba was given by Portugal and how much time he was given to pick out those passes. You never see this in the PL where he often is man marked or very quickly closed down when he receives the ball in the deep position. They know he'll take his time on the ball and look for opportunities for that long pass behind defenses - like he is instructed to do - so teams target him specifically. Late in the season, he got better at judging when to pass the ball quickly and when to look for that brilliant pass, so this was clearly an issue that was addressed by the coaching team. Mbappe did nothing yesterday that Rashford does not do in every game for us.
Sorry stopped reading at he didn’t choose his transfer
. He’s spoken many times about his unfinished business at United and wanting to return. But obviously he’s the victim in all this and has no free will. Jeez some people are deluded on this thread.After watching him last night, I really don't see the differences in how he plays for France that we don't see for United.
The only difference is he's given so much space to move into when he takes the ball from their half deep into the opposition without pressure.
He does have that odd moment, like in the first half where he lost the ball in dangerous territory as all the French players had pushed forward, leaving him among the deepest.
At that time Portugal were pressing hard and fast. It was also the period that France as a whole really struggled with Portugal and the intensity, in which Pogba became something of a spectator, as did most of the French team.
Defensively, he has next to no responsibility and players tend to bypass him with ease. It's a strange trait for a deep midfielder.
On the ball however, driving forward from deep, he was world class. He really is the main man more often than not for France on the offensive.
His playstule is still the same. It's just that it seems his weaknesses are more exposed when playing for us than for France.
The only difference is he's given so much space to move into when he takes the ball from their half deep into the opposition without pressure.
He does have that odd moment, like in the first half where he lost the ball in dangerous territory as all the French players had pushed forward, leaving him among the deepest.
At that time Portugal were pressing hard and fast. It was also the period that France as a whole really struggled with Portugal and the intensity, in which Pogba became something of a spectator, as did most of the French team.
Defensively, he has next to no responsibility and players tend to bypass him with ease. It's a strange trait for a deep midfielder.
On the ball however, driving forward from deep, he was world class. He really is the main man more often than not for France on the offensive.
His playstule is still the same. It's just that it seems his weaknesses are more exposed when playing for us than for France.
Sorry stopped reading at he didn’t choose his transfer
He obviously meant that Pogba didn't choose the transfer fee.
Sorry stopped reading at he didn’t choose his transfer
I'm talking about the terms of the transfer, he wasn't the one deciding how much the transfer would cost when you judge him based on the fee of the transfer you are just being silly.
1) Kante is much better than anything we have at United.
2) International football (meaning national teams) is shite - sorry - compared to club football these days.
He didn't get free time and space in the game, rather France were able to create it for him with their buildup play.
The key thing is France could recycle the ball quickly out of any sort of press due to having a 3rd actual central midfielder, as well as Benzema who dropped deep to help with buildup play. Add in Griezmann, and there are more than enough technical players in the central areas to play possession, evade pressure, and release players.
For Utd most weeks, Pogba plays in a legit 2 man midfield with a somewhat disconnected no. 10 and wide strikers. And since most teams facing us play a 3 man midfield, of course the opposition will be able to press more successfully 3v2.
Sorry stopped reading at he didn’t choose his transfer
Imagine having the confidence to put that many laughing faces after completely missing the obvious point they were making.
so how many times did he boss a midfield against poor sides?
It shouldn’t be morbid curiosity, it’s feckin blatantly obvious that is exactly what we needed to do here at United.
Instead of doing a proper job of it we signed an ancient Matic and now instead we play McFred in the absence of an actual defensive midfielder.
Anybody who throws their toys out and hates on Pogba for not winning us the league without a single decent DM next to him either hasn’t seen him play at other clubs (and for his country) or just don’t understand the game.
Quality player but I think we should get someone who is much better suited to how we play. Bruno is clearly our advanced midfielder and therefore we need defensive minded players behind him. I don't think a midfield 3 with Bruno and Pogba will ever really work. It doesn't help that both Pogba and Bruno can have moment where they are non existent. Neither McT nor Fred are strong enough on their own.
I'd like it to work though and whichever way we go, we need that CDM to give us the options. We're in a dreadful position where we cant test the midfield three with a better CDM as we have to make a decision on Pogba this summer.
With Sancho we also have that extra creativity that Pogba was in the team for, so now I want some one who is defensive minded who can play the ball from deep.
Who keeps count? And what is the definition of "boss"? Are you expecting him to put in 10/10 games week by week? It's such a weirdly subjective term, especially when used in the context of a team sport.
He's more consistent and productive to our chance creation than not which is what I expect from a playmaking midfielder. I think we were a much better team when he returned from injury, and I think his contributions played a big part in us reaching the EL final, and finishing 2nd in the league.
I believe that if some of our players weren't playing through fatigue & injury and were able to provide more of an attacking threat by making runs off the ball, and finishing chances like they do in the French NT, his influence would've been even greater. I also accept that he can do more, but like I said in a different post - there are so many more players who should be the ones up for scrutiny in terms of providing more for the team before we talk about Pogba.
I’m with you 100%
The real shitter is he’ll go to PSG and they will instantly provide that similar support structure he needs in midfield. He’s a ready made baller for a dominant team that doesn’t need or want to play with a 10. If he can move freely between 8 and 10 he’ll rack up the goals and assists and he might just be their missing link in the CL. Their midfield is already solid if uninspiring and I think that’s what they might need to go up that final gear.
I think it’s probably written in the stars for us to lose him on a free for a second time and for us to regret it, again. The biggest thing with him then apart from the above is motivation (he won’t need to get out of second gear for 60% of the season in the French league) and fitness. I think he could saunter and jog and spray lovely passes all over the pitch for them and he’d be a star player again. He won’t need to tackle or defend so he should hypothetically be fit for more of the season
He just doesn’t suit our system since we chose Bruno over him. I understand we went for Bruno because Pogba wanted out but then he had second thoughts. It is what it is. If Pogba was fit, happy and motivated we wouldn’t have signed Bruno and we’d have stuck with 3 in the middle and he’d do well but his long and constant injuries for us were always a major headache that left us without any creatively or penetration through the middle. I don’t think Bruno has missed a single game through injury since he came in? He seems very happy here and is always demanding more from everyone around him. I don’t think our league position since Bruno came in and from when we were reliant on Pogba are a coincidence.
Hope he plays better so we can get a good fee.
So players have no expectations? Pretty sure managers look to what they get in terms of results when buying a player. His fee and his wages show his importance to the club. If you can’t see that then you’re blinded by something I don’t see.
Think you need to state transfer fee and not just transfer. As not having a choice in a transfer and not participating in negotiations for a fee are completely different.
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When someone posts that Pogba didn’t choose the transfer, then it kinda points at moving. Had they stated the agreed the fee, or words to that effect then becomes an obvious point. Having no choice in a transfer points to being forced to move. Not that he didn’t participate in agreement of fee.
It was pretty obvious what they were referring too. Seems you're the only one that didn't get it.
Not choosing a transfer is the same as not participating in transfer negotiations over a fee. Glad you got that.
You're really trying to argue you're right and I can't understand when you didn't get their point? What are you on?
That's not what I saw. I saw a Pogba that could fall back and receive the ball even from their keeper totally undisturbed. A tactical blunder from Santos.
France's first big chance came after Pogba sent Mbappe through with a brilliant ball from deep. When Pogba made the pass, the closest Portugal player was 10 meters away. Instead of going into press, Sanches just stood there, marking nobody.
When Mbappe was fouled for their penalty, the exactly same thing again, just a bit further up the pitch: Sanches was very lazy in his press and he had no other tasks in that situation as Portugal had 11 men behind the ball.
And watch France's third goal, the exact same thing again, Pogba is left totally alone with all the time and room he could ever want. And there is no movement around him from his teammates, so I cannot see how they can be given any credit for it. Just watch the highlights and see yourself.
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Players expectations have little to do with their fee, it has to do with what they have shown up until the point of the transfer. It's not because a player is purchased for a record fee that he is the best player in the world or that it should be expected from him, because a transfer fee is influenced by many things that have little to do with the level of the player, the main one being the financial power of each clubs involved, the contract situation of the player, his marketing potential or his age among other things. For example in a summer where he was as good as Pogba, Pjanic joined Juventus for 32m€, even if you want to argue that Pogba was slightly better there was never 60m€ between the players in 2016.
And it was a typo, I meant to put transfer fee as the first sentence of the post suggested.
As they admitted to a typo and they missed the word fee, I’d suggest you’re the one who’s on something. Great you actually got the point of an incorrect statement, bravo well done...
So you didn't get the point when I started the post with his wage and transfer fee aren't relevant? You didn't get the context or thought about asking?
This shouldn't matter to be honest, a smart manager will always use player like Pogba to his advantage despite other's 'feelings' and opinions.
Fans expectations of fees. Fans expect big things from big signings.
Pogba hasn’t lived up to his fee. There are numerous reasons for that and some of those are to do with him and his attitude. His agent also hasn’t helped with his numerous disparaging comments about United.
I don’t think anyone thinks Pogba places greater expectations on himself for the fee Juve and his agent received. Most players who mention their fees, just dismiss it, as they don’t want the weight of expectation it brings. But the fans expect performances regardless.
Any word on him signing a new contract extension? I would absolutely hate to see him leave next year without a fee and cheapen the likes of Madrid and Juve 
It was an obvious typo. It was the fact you were unable to read between the lines and had the arrogance to put laughing faces and go off on a tangent.
Sounds like a deal for a piece of meat. Glad you took the time to explain.
We are going in circle here, fans expectations weren't and aren't realistic, fans shouldn't base their expectations on fees. Pogba was never going to live up to his fee, center midfielders are almost never worth record fees and he wasn't the best midfielder around. You shouldn't confuse the fact that United were ready to overpay to get him and the player being worth that fee on the field and you should hold that fee against the player, you could question the idea behind overpaying though.
I need to know something, I didn't attack you, right? I addressed your points ignoring your tone but for some reason you act as if I did something to you, what happened?
Exactly. Many fans have lost sense any sense of reality
The entire thread goes around in circles, as do many of them with regards to our better players. I don’t believe the fans are wrong in expecting big things from big signings, but in reality they fail as often as they succeed. Chelsea and their quest for a top class striker is a prime example. Pogba hasn’t been a failure, but I’d say should have done better. I think he’s gone, this summer or next and it’ll a shame.
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