Caf talking as if signing midfielders like Kante will solve Pogba's inconsistencies..
Sign Deschamps instead, problems solved.
Sign Deschamps instead, problems solved.
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He played well today but I always feel he moves very casually.
Nobody expects this. We just expect him to concentrate while defending at most and not be sloppy in our own half. That’s it and he still fails to do so.
Zidane is available
Not even France plays Pogba in his best position(mbappe occupies that). And united don’t as we lack a midfielder to create from deep so we move Pogba there. And therein lies his love for Juve….
I really hope we are able to ship him off to juve soon for a half decent price. His dramatics when he's off on internationals, including ridiculous insinuating is highly irritating and besides, we really don't have a set position for him in the team when he returns
Pogba should be dictating the games like Modric does for Real and Croatia. Like some one already mentioned he is a tournament player and can focus only for few games a year. Turning out once in a while for Utd will make him a decent player, but not the world class like people would want you to believe in this thread.
I forgot that happened. Wtf are those tactics? !
We must have been watching different teams then.
No one has said that? We just think Rashford and Bruno are more consistent and reliable and considering Marcus' two back to back 30+ goals and assists seasons and oh, I don't know, Bruno carrying us on his back in a way that Pogba simply hasn't done since he arrived, I think that's a fair analysis. Especially when you compare it to Pogba's injury-laden last few years here, where we've had to do without him for months at a time.The majority of people on this forum think Rashford & Bruno are more technically gifted footballers than him. Let that sink in.
We have a Rolls Royce and we use it like a Reliant Robin. Ole has blood on his hands. Benched for McTominay & Fred FFS
Also, wasn't it under Ole that yer man Pogba had his best ever run of form in his professional career? Strange how Ole has blood on his hands rather than the truth, which is that Pogba can't play in the double pivot without a considerable degree of hand holding and is instead better suited to a peripheral role off the left where he can create without the burden of defensive responsibility. The positions Pogba is taking up for France are the almost exact same positions he's been taking up for Utd this past season.
I'm positive that Ole is aware of the need for a DM but it's not going to be for Pogba's benefit that the DM is bought. It'll be for whoever is partnered with the DM, be it one of McFred or someone else that hasn't been bought yet.
Contract talks with Pogba are most likely on hold because we probably don’t want to extend it anyways.
Maybe the whole idea was to hope he has a good tournament to then be able to sell him at a decent price. As good as he is, I really hope we use this opportunity to sell him.
Paying him 500k isn’t the point, trusting him enough to pay that much for 5 years is just too risky considering how inconsistent he can be.
Use the funds to buy a central midfielder or two who don’t lose possession and trust the front 4 to get the job done. Specially once Sancho will join too.
The time to utilize Pogba was during the last 5 years that he’s already been with us and should have partnered him up with a top quality CM which we didn’t do. Now when he’s nearing his final years, the risk factor is way too much considering the wages he’ll demand.
As much as we all appreciate Pogba, it just doesn’t make sense to keep him any longer.
Maybe the whole idea was to hope he has a good tournament to then be able to sell him at a decent price. As good as he is, I really hope we use this opportunity to sell him.
Paying him 500k isn’t the point, trusting him enough to pay that much for 5 years is just too risky considering how inconsistent he can be.
Use the funds to buy a central midfielder or two who don’t lose possession and trust the front 4 to get the job done. Specially once Sancho will join too.
The time to utilize Pogba was during the last 5 years that he’s already been with us and should have partnered him up with a top quality CM which we didn’t do. Now when he’s nearing his final years, the risk factor is way too much considering the wages he’ll demand.
As much as we all appreciate Pogba, it just doesn’t make sense to keep him any longer.
Honestly, I don't understand the caf....
Matuidi and Tolisso were/ are used to accomodate Mbappe in a team with Griezmann and a striker, nothing to do with Pogba.
Hope he has a great tournament.
A couple of great passes, and a good strike that almost went in.
Keep it going Paul.
So we can finaly sell you and we all move on.
A couple of great passes, and a good strike that almost went in.
Keep it going Paul.
So we can finaly sell you and we all move on.
Nonsense, particularly Rashford. But they are forwards and Pogba isn’t.
If you want to get the best Pogba in terms of passing and chance creating, you need to find the same quality with Mbappe , Benzema, Griezmann.
One of the weak point of our front three is off the ball movement and choosing the moving path.
One of the weak point of our front three is off the ball movement and choosing the moving path.
it doesn’t mean he can’t perform in less space obviously, but in midfield especially you let him stand there with the ball facing you and he’s going to drop a ball over the top. he did it 2/3 times against portugal and each created a chance.
What my point is, people say why does he perform better for france? this is the difference. the lower tempo of INT football clearly helps him too, he didn’t look as tired as normal.
couple excellent balls but nothing that he cant do here at United sometimes with the right movement ahead of him. Would love to see him play with Griezmann and Mbappe here
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It must just be tactics. I mean you can’t tell me them passes aren’t available in the Prem because of the tempo? De Bruyne does them week in week out.
agreed.
Yep. Apparently he has never created a chance for United or been the best player on the park.
4) International football pace vs Premier league pace
Cavani the only one who provides this
you can argue city move the ball a lot faster which earns KDB more space, he’s often making those passes while moving too where as pogbas prefers to be more static. I think those extra 2/3 seconds make all the difference.
There is nothing in Pogba trying harder or wanting to play better for France, it’s purely that he’s able to reach his upper limit more often in that style.
Against Hungary where they gave him no space and pressed him hard he struggled and got subbed.
He has more time on the ball because he has better players around him. The opponent cannot afford to only focus on him.
At United you put a guy on Bruno, one on Pogba and our offensive game is over. Because no one can create. If we had more "ballers" around Pogba, hed naturally have more time.
while that’s true it’s clear INT football is a very different style. teams aren’t pressing like they do in league football, containment seems the preferred route of defending for most teams.
look back at the benzema goal, when does pogba ever get that sort of time and space?
I agree in international football there is less pressing.
But in that specific case Pogba was in such an unthreatening position, there was no danger at all, until he created that genius pass.
Against smaller teams that focus on defending (that we sometimes find hard to break down) our players often have ample time and space (not Pogba and not Bruno, because opponents focus on them). But Scott, AWB, Matic etc. always have plenty time on the ball. Teams can afford to mark Pogba and leave Scott wide open.
Kante is hardly a danger from that sort of distance either though, i think the main difference is their forwards are constantly looking to run in behind. Both Mbappe and Benzema made some great runs for their chances, something we don’t get enough of at united.
Worth mentioning it's not just Kante he plays with in the France midfield there's always another body in there as well whether it was Matuidi at past tournaments or Rabiot or Tolisso in this one
Basically gives Pogba free reign to pop up where he wants in the midfield area while also having the security when he loses the ball
France don't have that number 10 competing with Pogba like we do with Bruno so hard to see a formation where we can fit both Bruno and Pogba in all the while having the security of another 2 midfielders other than either playing Pogba from the left in the place of Rashford or moving to a diamond
But these are discussions that have been done to death now over the last 5 years
Basically gives Pogba free reign to pop up where he wants in the midfield area while also having the security when he loses the ball
France don't have that number 10 competing with Pogba like we do with Bruno so hard to see a formation where we can fit both Bruno and Pogba in all the while having the security of another 2 midfielders other than either playing Pogba from the left in the place of Rashford or moving to a diamond
But these are discussions that have been done to death now over the last 5 years
Not surprised his heart ain't in it for us when we have fans who boo him or think he should be played out of position to accommodate McFred.
Have people forgotten about his assist to Rashford a couple of years ago for the winning goal vs Spurs away from home ? Was that not in the PL ? The fact that he can play very bad in some games has nothing to do with the PL IMHO.
The PL is the best league for sure but the way it gets hyped is ridiculous tbh. From December to end of the season, when he was fit, we've seen him have many good moments (and bad ones too to be fair), we've seen him create his own space and have time on the ball.
PL teams don't apply never ending type of pressure, sometimes players do get a few more seconds on the ball because teams are tired or because a piece of skill has helped him create that space.
In his international career, where the game is defo slower, he's also had bad games (look no further than vs Hungary). If we play in a system where players with good passing qualities have runners in front of them then their quality will be on display
The PL is the best league for sure but the way it gets hyped is ridiculous tbh. From December to end of the season, when he was fit, we've seen him have many good moments (and bad ones too to be fair), we've seen him create his own space and have time on the ball.
PL teams don't apply never ending type of pressure, sometimes players do get a few more seconds on the ball because teams are tired or because a piece of skill has helped him create that space.
In his international career, where the game is defo slower, he's also had bad games (look no further than vs Hungary). If we play in a system where players with good passing qualities have runners in front of them then their quality will be on display
Yes I agree, we dont make any runs at United. (In basketball terms, we love to play iso-ball)
I didn't watch the whole game (kept changing between the games) but when I watched France, Pogba seemed to be doing his strolling about doing very little/giving the ball away cheaply thing. As I say, maybe I miss the good bits...
I‘d be ashamed of myself if I turned up half aarsed at work and I less per year than Pogba gets per week. His heart not being in it shouldn’t be an issue, he has spoken many time of his love for United and wanting to be successful, it’s just a shame that he rarely performs as well as a 80 odd million signing should. Not sure where you’re getting him being boo’d from? I don’t think you need to make him out as some kind of victim
He misplaced 3 passes out of 99, created 3 chances, and had a fantastic shot saved from Patricio.
Doing very little indeed.
Doing very little indeed.
No "maybes". You missed it all
There simply isn't that much space against the teams we play against for those kind of runs to be made. Club teams are much better drilled than national teams. In league competitions teams are happy to sit back and play for a draw as well.
Even in cup games some times. Take the EL final for example, where was there space for any sort of run and diagonal pass? There simply wasn't.
You can laugh all you want. Every football fan in the world outside our fanbase and every pundit too readily admits he's far better for France than he is for us.
You're like some weird cult who pretend he plays well for us most of the time when it's not true at all. At least I call it fair and say when he plays well and when he doesn't. If he did play like that for us there would be no concerns from anybody and these conversations wouldn't even be happening would they?
Take off the blinkers and just call it fair for once. We don't get to see that Paul Pogba in a red shirt anywhere near enough and deep down you know it's true.
Nobody can speak to him being 'half arsed' people just take his body language being naturally languid and casual and project this idea that he's not bothered. It's a ridiculous conclusion to make based on no facts, just assumptions.
He's not a workhorse, part of what makes him special is his touch & flair on the ball, coupled with both his height & strength - he's capable of things that very few are, so not sure why people continue to expect him to do even more on top of that, and take it as a sleight on his ability/character when he doesn't.
And he literally got booed by our own fans, I didn't make him out to be a victim, I pointed out a fact.
Nonsense. He was one of our best players last season, was our best player in 18/19 & was one of our best players in 17/18 & 16/17. Complete nonsense.
When are people going to admit that they just don’t like him? I’ve seen him play well numerous times & get pelters while lesser players stinkers are ignored. It’s obvious that the majority of his detractors dislike him for non-football reasons. If he was British & had a buzz cut he would he adored putting in the exact same performances he does for us. This is fact.
He's world class and has been playing the best football of his career in the last couple of seasons. He's going to leave, it's abundantly clear but still disappointing if we cant convince him of our project in addition to paying huge wages. He will probably join Juve and get 600k a week at the end of the season.
If he goes I hope we replace him with a world class metronome midfielder who links up play, can switch it quickly and someone who keeps possession well.
The model in my brain is Modric, but I literally don’t know anyone with that skill set.
The model in my brain is Modric, but I literally don’t know anyone with that skill set.
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