Well if it was because the chance was 40 yards from goal a hell of a lot to do with those stats.
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Well if it was because the chance was 40 yards from goal a hell of a lot to do with those stats.
I mean, it's entirely understandable why he holds onto the ball for two reasons.
The first being he knows no one else will do anything with it, and, 9 times out of 10, they're only going to pass back to him anyway. The second being our horrible off the ball movement. If we were a more fluid team with more passing options (Lingard, McTominay, Mata, Pereira, etc are all invisible in possession), I'm sure he'd release the ball quicker.
Also, as @JPRouve has said in the past, because he's our only player who does anything, his teammates constantly look to give him the ball; even when he's in a bad position to receive it.
Others need to step up, and, in them doing so, I'm sure he'll take a step back in terms of ball-hogging like he happily did/does for Juve and France.
We've created fecking tonnes of chances in our 4 games. https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/total_scoring_att?se=274
More than Arsenal who have a vastly superior attack to us.
What chances did our extraordinary superstar create against Southampton?
So a shot is now is equal to a chance created? Ok
He put Rashford through in the box twice actually, he made a hash of both.
Do we have gif’s of these? I don’t recall them but was watching in a pub so don’t watch every minute with round time or toilet time but if they were that great would expect a replay of em.
If I'm reading whoscored's stats right, 4.
Not always but common sense would dictate that most shots are off the back of it being created surely?
They were on his left foot, with a defender right alongside. He certainly wasn’t put clean through. Technically chances but not very good ones.
Whats the difference between a shot and a chance, aren't they the same thing?
How many people say he's absolutely brilliant most weeks?
Most people agree that he's inconsistent as hell. Sometimes that inconsistency is over a period of time where he'll have one great month then one average month (last season was a perfect example of that), other times he'll be inconsistent within the same game with some good moments and some poor (this season so far).
There is a small group that completely gloss over the poor and only focus on the good, but there's no doubt they are significantly outnumbered by a large group who completely forget about the good and only focus on the poor. The latter group then seem to throw the people in the middle who point out that he's better than they are giving credit for (but inconsistent) with the people who are pretending he's always good and so refuse to listen to them.
The other question is what is causing the inconsistency. Is it only the teammates not being good enough? Is it only Pogba himself? The reality is that it's obviously a bit of both. Pogba absolutely has to take some responsibility for it, but there's also no doubt that he's being set up to fail to some extent because of what is around him. Throughout his entire time here he's being expected to both control the team around in general and also create the chances in the box, all with very little help and with teammates who continually fail to play their part. That still doesn't excuse him for his faults and if he had a stronger mentality he could still have done better than he has.
99% of statistics only tell 49% of the story someone once said.
So if I shoot from 25 yards, from a 3 yard pass thats a chance created? No, there is a stat called chance created and it is not equal to the number of shots. Also many chances do not even lead to a shot
when dealing with statistics, better not to make assumptions especially when relying on "common sense"
Agreed.
You asked, I told.
Really such a pedantic and pissy argument to put forth.
We've created plenty of chances in our 4 games, I've no problem in saying they aren't clear cut chances many of them but still chances.
It could also be that he doesn't trust his partners. Not really a surprise when you think his partners are Matic and McT.
Give him a KDB / peak Busquets or a proper coach who can instill some playing style to the team. We lost our identity long back and what we see now is a bunch of talented players trying their luck.
Not really, it is just the truth that shots do not equal chances, and there is an actual chances created stat so you should use that instead. Especially since all chances do not lead to shots.
Doesn’t he have some responsibility as one of the most expensive players in the world to help his other midfielders improve.
Hows he supposed to help ? You cant play on their behalf . He signed up for a project. Jose, Zlatan, Mikhi, him . After 4 years, we have regressed now.
He has every right to be worried about the direction of the club and he want to move on. Why can't we appreciate that fact ?
I said it above, it was simply a rough gauge.
Senior players are supposed to help the younger players either by example, leadership or motivation.
Don’t see much of that from Pogba.
Eric, Robson, Keane all knew how to do it one way or the other.
I think it's just recently Pogba became a senior player. Although he's always been the star player, if you think about it he's always had elders with him on the field who failed (with the exception of Zlatan).
Right now, he's definitely trying to help McTominay but it's not his game to be playing that deep.
Yeah it would be the best thing for him really. They'd actually bench him when he's shite.
- he’ll want to move from them in a few years time as well though they won’t put up such a struggle as Ed and the marketing department.Some of the things in this thread are fantastic.
Basically, stick him him in an easier league in the best team surrounded by world class players with the best manager with no defensive responsibilities and just let him play. Then we'll see the best of him.
What a player.
Or play Messi in a inferior team and ask him to do everything. If he fails, he is shit, careless and isn't upto it.
Such a weird argument.
I sure messi would have a better impact in an inferior team that pogba has in our team.
Hasn’t scored since February in open play so comparing him to messi is even weirder.
I think Pauls lack of ability to hold onto the ball is the source of a lot of his criticism. He must have lost the ball foolishly about three or four times in the first half i think it was the last game.
Then he tries to take on people when it is not on.
Irwin is class, I wish more ex-players said things like this and be supportive of the players instead of using their 30 mins on TV playing for the cameras and talking shit about the current players.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/11802293/pogba-has-risk-factor-man-utd-need
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/11802293/pogba-has-risk-factor-man-utd-need
The problem is not that he's not talented, the problem is that he's trying to play something other than football in his head.
Oh come on, we both know it's about the logic and not players. Its holds good for any XYZ player. Better players needs better partners and better setups. Messi would make a better impact in our team isn't enough for an argument. His performances will take a hit and will lose balls when trying to make things happen. That's the core point.
Because noone else would take that responsibility. Everyone looks for him to take risks and create chances. So you take risks, you lose the ball. He cant do everything.
Depends on the player, some relish being be the main man. Maradonna had no right winning the World Cup with his team but he dragged them through. Even in the final when he was man marked by half the opposition he knew it was going to benefit the team so got on with it even though he would have loved to have scored the winner. Robson carried united on his back at times, it was a common feeling if he weren’t playing united weren’t winning.
But I’m not putting this over rated over paid problem in the same league as those legends of the game.
Nonsense, Roy keane never gave the ball away when playing for Ireland and he had worse players playing around him, pogba could always try and run with it when he receives it if there is no one available to pass to, instead he holds onto it, waits for someone to challenge him and all too often loses it. I dont believe that he had no passing options against the 4 teams we have played so far, that argument would carry weight if we were playing against pool or city perhaps but not fecking palace and Southampton
Like Argentina ? You can rightly criticize Pogba for his shortcomings but to be sure of something impossible like that is weird to me.
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