[redmanc]

His attitude wasn't right for our club and for me, it still isn't.

He's been more of a problem than a help. If he could perform at his so called "world class" level then perhaps we wouldn't be so far behind in the race for top 4.

All our fans who cant wake up to the fact that on paper he is our most talented player, but in reality he underperforms and doesn't influence games is staggering.

Fellaini puts more effort in than Pogba, that's the problem. He's so far been a disappointing signing

Or maybe his manager hasnt got a fecking clue how to play him in his actual role and is trying to hammer a square peg in a round hole, then add in that half the team are in the same boat and its no surprises it looks disjointed and a right fecking mess.

You dont recruit a new employee thats fecking awesome at one job then ask them to do something completely different whilst expecting the same level of performance.

 

[Craig Ward]

Or maybe his manager hasnt got a fecking clue how to play him in his actual role and is trying to hammer a square peg in a round hole, then add in that half the team are in the same boat and its no surprises it looks disjointed and a right fecking mess.

You dont recruit a new employee thats fecking awesome at one job then ask them to do something completely different whilst expecting the same level of performance.

You'd expect a "world class" midfielder to be able to play in a midfield 2 and follow some directions/instructions from his manager?

You'd expect a player with this much ability to be able to perform consistently, something Pogba has failed to do since day 1.

Pogba and Jose may not have seen eye to eye but that doesn't excuse Pogba's lack of work rate, and on times 2/10 performances.

Jose has his faults, but Pogba is 100% accountable for his own performance levels.

And we've been playing a midfield 3 for some time now, and Pogba has still been poor. Your argument of "its all Jose's fault" just doesn't wash with me

 

[LoveFootball]

Unbelievable? Over react much? He played decent lets not all claim Pogba is now world class cos of a couple of through balls against a very poor Cardiff side

If you think Pogba loves this club you are very much mistaken. He left before cos he couldn't get enough money out of us. He stopped playing for the club based on a row with Jose. He has been underperforming for the last 2 seasons, only showing glimpses of his ability.

Pogba would leave us for more money in a heartbeat.

Talented, yes. But he needs to up his performance level on a consistent basis to prove he is a good player, not just show glimpses.

Now I think people are writing those lies about Pogba to seack attention. It's unbelievable the way some are going over the hill to tarnish his personality. What has he done wrong to deserve such a level of hate from some people?

Pogba is a world class player, whether you believe it or not, it'll remains true. Support your players ffs.

 

[redmanc]

You'd expect a "world class" midfielder to be able to play in a midfield 2 and follow some directions/instructions from his manager?

You'd expect a player with this much ability to be able to perform consistently, something Pogba has failed to do since day 1.

Pogba and Jose may not have seen eye to eye but that doesn't excuse Pogba's lack of work rate, and on times 2/10 performances.

Jose has his faults, but Pogba is 100% accountable for his own performance levels.

And we've been playing a midfield 3 for some time now, and Pogba has still been poor. Your argument of "its all Jose's fault" just doesn't wash with me

Thats just it, Jose tried a couple of different systems and none of them worked, at all, but why take your best players and expect them to play in terrible systems in the first place? you play to your strengths. Do you think they're going to respond well to such a change in system followed by being thrown under the bus week in week out when it back fires?

Jose is accountable for a significant portion of the blame and whether you agree or disagree is irrelevant to me.

Its not just Pogba who has underperformed each week, its most of the players, international players with decent abilities in a lot of cases that haven't looked a shadow of their actual selves for quite some time.

 

[Raven]

A true professional who loves the club wouldn't leave because he didn't get picked for 1 game. He had no right to demand the money he did and forced the clubs hand. Fergie made a judgement call based on the players attitude. Fergie was right.

He done well at Juve yes, I wouldn't put Pogba anywhere near a world class bracket. Pirlo, Vidal were streets ahead of him for Juve.

He probably does want the club to do well, but has been in poor form since re-joining and showed more petulance than footballing ability.

I'm a massive fan of his potential and ability, but wary his personality and inconsistency is bad for our club. World class is miles off for Pogba.

Our fans who think Pogba is world class have seriously low expectations. Messi is world class, not Pogba

As was evidenced upon his arrival in Turin, he was miles too good to be playing reserve football for us. How much was he asking for exactly? You know, since you're so clued in on all this.

Fergie's quotes say that Raiola was the problem:

The Scot wrote: "There are one or two football agents I simply do not like. And Mino Raiola, Paul Pogba’s agent, is one of them."

“I distrusted him from the moment I met him. He became Zlatan Ibrahimovic’s agent while he was playing for Ajax, and eventually he would end up representing Pogba, who was only 18 years old at the time.

“We had Paul under a three-year contract, and it had a one-year renewal option which we were eager to sign. But Raiola suddenly appeared on the scene and our first meeting was a fiasco.

“He and I were like oil and water. From then on, our goose was cooked because Raiola had been able to ingratiate himself with Paul and his family and the player signed with Juventus.”

Source: Manchester Evening News

So tell me, who's said that Pogba's attitude is wrong?

 

[FootyGirl88]

As was evidenced upon his arrival in Turin, he was miles too good to be playing reserve football for us. How much was he asking for exactly? You know, since you're so clued in on all this.

Fergie's quotes say that Raiola was the problem:

The Scot wrote: "There are one or two football agents I simply do not like. And Mino Raiola, Paul Pogba’s agent, is one of them."

“I distrusted him from the moment I met him. He became Zlatan Ibrahimovic’s agent while he was playing for Ajax, and eventually he would end up representing Pogba, who was only 18 years old at the time.

“We had Paul under a three-year contract, and it had a one-year renewal option which we were eager to sign. But Raiola suddenly appeared on the scene and our first meeting was a fiasco.

“He and I were like oil and water. From then on, our goose was cooked because Raiola had been able to ingratiate himself with Paul and his family and the player signed with Juventus.”

Source: Manchester Evening News

So tell me, who's said that Pogba's attitude is wrong?

You're wasting your time, honestly.

 

[Raven]

You're wasting your time, honestly.

I'm just always surprised seeing people make things up that are commonly known to be false. I'm not sure if they believe it themselves or if they are trying to wind people up.

 

[Baxter]

I'm just always surprised seeing people make things up that are commonly known to be false. I'm not sure if they believe it themselves or if they are trying to wind people up.

The fact people still believe that SAF wanted rid of him is amazing. If they can’t be bothered to get that right then it’s just about criticising regardless of facts.

Whether he loves the club or not is irrelevant too. I’m sure every one of City’s players grew up going to sleep in their City shirts dreaming of becoming the next Bell or Summerbee. It’s a career and he left to join one of the biggest teams in football and went right into the first team. Can anyone really say it’s the wrong move?

I find it a bit sad that some have turned on him this season based on some bad games, Jose doing a Jose and some shit written in the paper.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I can smell your hate from here

We offered him more money than Juve.

He hasn't been underperforming for 2 seasons.

That’s news to me. So many myths doing the rounds about his move to Juve. Where did you hear that?

 

[Craig Ward]

Now I think people are writing those lies about Pogba to seack attention. It's unbelievable the way some are going over the hill to tarnish his personality. What has he done wrong to deserve such a level of hate from some people?

Pogba is a world class player, whether you believe it or not, it'll remains true. Support your players ffs.

Stop being deluded and believing he is world class.

Im happy to support players who put they're all into playing for Manchester United. When Pogba starts doing that, i'll support him.

I feel this way about a lot of our players, the club is the most important thing after all. I don't hate Pogba, I just think he's underperformaned and his attitude of late has been shocking.

His ability has never been in question, he just needs to prove himself

 

[Eric's Seagull]

His attitude wasn't right for our club and for me, it still isn't.

He's been more of a problem than a help. If he could perform at his so called "world class" level then perhaps we wouldn't be so far behind in the race for top 4.

All our fans who cant wake up to the fact that on paper he is our most talented player, but in reality he underperforms and doesn't influence games is staggering.

Fellaini puts more effort in than Pogba, that's the problem. He's so far been a disappointing signing

I think that he hasn't been played quite right although against Cardiff he was played more how I'd like to see him get played. I'd like to see him played in a sort of Lampard role as an 8/10 hybrid type of player.

Leave the 2 players behind to absolve him of all the dirty work and let him focus on driving towards the edge of the box regularly where he deliver those killer passes or unleash those thunderbolt shots on goal and I think his numbers and overall play will improve, thus improving overall team effectiveness mate.

 

[Craig Ward]

I think that he hasn't been played quite right although against Cardiff he was played more how I'd like to see him get played. I'd like to see him played in a sort of Lampard role as an 8/10 hybrid type of player.

Leave the 2 players behind to absolve him of all the dirty work and let him focus on driving towards the edge of the box regularly where he deliver those killer passes or unleash those thunderbolt shots on goal and I think his numbers and overall play will improve, thus improving overall team effectiveness mate.

I've said for a while he needs to be further forward.

2 seasons of playing him deep hasn't worked, he's too undisciplined and doesn't play with the right level of focus.

He can however spot a pass and is better there. Shame we have to chuck our "world class" midfielder into an area of the field where he is free of the general midfielders duties but hey ho. Whatever works for the good of the team.

We need to sign 2x top class midfielders for me

 

[Adam-Utd]

That’s news to me. So many myths doing the rounds about his move to Juve. Where did you hear that?

I can’t remember the exact source, may have been Fergie or gill.

We went in with our initial offer which was rejected, then they talked to Juve and got a 20k offer. We went back in with more money but by that time he’d decided to leave.

 

[LoveFootball]

Stop being deluded and believing he is world class.

Im happy to support players who put they're all into playing for Manchester United. When Pogba starts doing that, i'll support him.

I feel this way about a lot of our players, the club is the most important thing after all. I don't hate Pogba, I just think he's underperformaned and his attitude of late has been shocking.

His ability has never been in question, he just needs to prove himself

It's clear you're a victim of Mourinho's brain washing tactic. It was clear like day that every player suffered from inconsistence under Mourinho but you chosed to attack only Pogba.
Mourinho is gone now, but it'll take long to fix the damages he did here.

Can you tell us which midfielders are world classe and compare their performances to Pogba's and tell us how he isn't at their level. It easy to blame a player and down play his performances when you have a clear agenda, but to prove it is another thing.

 

[Isotope]

I preferred this one.

That's the one I referred to, Pog. But someone took down the clip. (or maybe you're just helping out with new clip).

Anyway, it was great pass, wasn't it? It just seems so Ronaldinho-esque, or that Veron's pass to Forlan. And if we look at Shaw's head when running, he's Expecting a pass back from Pogba; even though it was in small passing area. It could be a Pogba routine in training.

 

[Isotope]

Notice how clueless commentators are to slick passes like that.

Yeh, man. They'd notice mistakes easily, and talk in length about it

 

[JPRouve]

I've said for a while he needs to be further forward.

2 seasons of playing him deep hasn't worked, he's too undisciplined and doesn't play with the right level of focus.

He can however spot a pass and is better there. Shame we have to chuck our "world class" midfielder into an area of the field where he is free of the general midfielders duties but hey ho. Whatever works for the good of the team.

We need to sign 2x top class midfielders for me

That's the part that I find confusing. We purchased that player, that's the player that we rated enough to spend 90m. While you can try to change him, you can't criticize him for not being something that he has never been. We didn't purchase a player that was performing deeper, we didn't purchase a game manager, we purchased a player that creates chances in the last third and that was supported by two players one being a box to box(Vidal or Marchisio) and the other being a deep lying playmaker(Pirlo).

 

[Eric's Seagull]

That's the part that I find confusing. We purchased that player, that's the player that we rated enough to spend 90m. While you can try to change him, you can't criticize him for not being something that he has never been. We didn't purchase a player that was performing deeper, we didn't purchase a game manager, we purchased a player that creates chances in the last third and that was supported by two players one being a box to box(Vidal or Marchisio) and the other being a deep lying playmaker(Pirlo).

This exactly. Pity Jose isn't as astute at realising this as you and maybe we'd have been getting better performances out of him regularly.

 

[kouroux]

Yeh, man. They'd notice mistakes easily, and talk in length about it

Or you know, a crunching tackle. Stuff they love so much

 

[kouroux]

Stop being deluded and believing he is world class.

Im happy to support players who put they're all into playing for Manchester United. When Pogba starts doing that, i'll support him.

I feel this way about a lot of our players, the club is the most important thing after all. I don't hate Pogba, I just think he's underperformaned and his attitude of late has been shocking.

His ability has never been in question, he just needs to prove himself

Please, answer this question in bold below

As was evidenced upon his arrival in Turin, he was miles too good to be playing reserve football for us. How much was he asking for exactly? You know, since you're so clued in on all this.

Fergie's quotes say that Raiola was the problem:

The Scot wrote: "There are one or two football agents I simply do not like. And Mino Raiola, Paul Pogba’s agent, is one of them."

“I distrusted him from the moment I met him. He became Zlatan Ibrahimovic’s agent while he was playing for Ajax, and eventually he would end up representing Pogba, who was only 18 years old at the time.

“We had Paul under a three-year contract, and it had a one-year renewal option which we were eager to sign. But Raiola suddenly appeared on the scene and our first meeting was a fiasco.

“He and I were like oil and water. From then on, our goose was cooked because Raiola had been able to ingratiate himself with Paul and his family and the player signed with Juventus.”

Source: Manchester Evening News

So tell me, who's said that Pogba's attitude is wrong?

 

[JPRouve]

This exactly. Pity Jose isn't as astute at realising this as you and maybe we'd have been getting better performances out of him regularly.

When you think about it the only reason people are harping about Pogba playing at a high level deeper is because he is massive, his actual qualities would never lead to that conclusion. People will mention France but he isn't great or consistent for France, he is generally a good piece in a functional team, he doesn't look like a WC player in that setup.

 

[Craig Ward]

It's clear you're a victim of Mourinho's brain washing tactic. It was clear like day that every player suffered from inconsistence under Mourinho but you chosed to attack only Pogba.
Mourinho is gone now, but it'll take long to fix the damages he did here.

Can you tell us which midfielders are world classe and compare their performances to Pogba's and tell us how he isn't at their level. It easy to blame a player and down play his performances when you have a clear agenda, but to prove it is another thing.

This is the Pogba thread, no?

I'm speaking of Pogba as this is the Pogba thread. I agree that lots have suffered poor performances this season as well as Pogba.

No agenda from me, i'm just giving my opinion as a fan based on what I have seen

 

[Craig Ward]

That's the part that I find confusing. We purchased that player, that's the player that we rated enough to spend 90m. While you can try to change him, you can't criticize him for not being something that he has never been. We didn't purchase a player that was performing deeper, we didn't purchase a game manager, we purchased a player that creates chances in the last third and that was supported by two players one being a box to box(Vidal or Marchisio) and the other being a deep lying playmaker(Pirlo).

He played as a CM in a midfield 2 on occasion for Juve, as well as a standard Left midfielder in a 4.

He plays in a midfield 2 for France also, but seems utterly useless when played there for us.

My point is, based on his ability he should be able to understand instructions and perform in a 2, even if it isn't necessarily his best position. He's done it for Juve and France, why not for us?

His inability to play as a 2 just highlights he isn't as good as some rate him.

I'd rather Mata play as our #10 but Pogba just doesn't perform in our midfield.

 

[kouroux]

This is the Pogba thread, no?

I'm speaking of Pogba as this is the Pogba thread. I agree that lots have suffered poor performances this season as well as Pogba.

No agenda from me, i'm just giving my opinion as a fan based on what I have seen

It sure doesn't read like that to be honest. Specially the whole bits about his supposedly bad behavior

 

[NoLogo]

He will always frustrate some people because he tries stuff that is risky and can lead to counter attacking situations and yes he sometimes does showboat but honestly it's players like him who can also make the difference.

It also doesn't help that he is so active on social media and seems to sometimes care more about developing his own brand than playing football.

 

[JPRouve]

He played as a CM in a midfield 2 on occasion for Juve, as well as a standard Left midfielder in a 4.

He plays in a midfield 2 for France also, but seems utterly useless when played there for us.

My point is, based on his ability he should be able to understand instructions and perform in a 2, even if it isn't necessarily his best position. He's done it for Juve and France, why not for us?

His inability to play as a 2 just highlights he isn't as good as some rate him.

I'd rather Mata play as our #10 but Pogba just doesn't perform in our midfield.

You said it yourself "on occasion" so that's not what justified the transfer fee or his rating. The second point is just nonsense, he mainly played in a midfield two for us and has mainly been our best player in the last three seasons, so claiming that he has been utterly useless is baffling. That's the issue that people have with your "non agenda", it doesn't match with reality.

Edit: I should address your question, Juve and France do not use the same systems. IIRC Juve used Asamoah on the left or played Pogba on the left when they played with 2 CMs. For France, Pogba hasn't been better than he is with United at the exception of the WC where the system was closer to a midfield three with Matuidi playing very close to Pogba.

 

[Canagel]

He played as a CM in a midfield 2 on occasion for Juve, as well as a standard Left midfielder in a 4.

He plays in a midfield 2 for France also, but seems utterly useless when played there for us.

My point is, based on his ability he should be able to understand instructions and perform in a 2, even if it isn't necessarily his best position. He's done it for Juve and France, why not for us?

His inability to play as a 2 just highlights he isn't as good as some rate him.

I'd rather Mata play as our #10 but Pogba just doesn't perform in our midfield.

He played alongside Kante and Matuidi. Hardly a midfield two.

 

[LoveFootball]

This is the Pogba thread, no?

I'm speaking of Pogba as this is the Pogba thread. I agree that lots have suffered poor performances this season as well as Pogba.

No agenda from me, i'm just giving my opinion as a fan based on what I have seen

It's a Pogba thread, but you're telling us that he isn't world class, so you must be able to prove it and the best way to do so is by comparing his performance with a midfielder you deem world class.

As I said it easy to blame a player, but proving that he's not good is another thing. You said that we struggled because of Pogba, I want you to prove me how this is true, tell us how we struggle to win or score because of Pogba. Tell us how Fellaini have been better than him, I'm really curious, I want you to unlight me because, as you said, I'm deluded if I think he's world class, so I want you to prove it to me instead of telling us some lies.

 

[GM K]

I preferred this one.

This is absolutely not true. Jose probably deserved to be fired and he has been fired. That's fine. But let's not rewrite history to hang him. Pogba played some incredibly brilliant games under Jose. Cross field passes, cheeky dribbles, forward runs, etc. We have seen a number of them in the last three years or so. The problem was that he was never consistent and let the team down occasionally. Plus his agent did not help matters. He was not benched when he played brilliantly. He was benched when he didn't and because of off field issues with his manager.

 

[MadDogg]

He probably does want the club to do well, but has been in poor form since re-joining and showed more petulance than footballing ability.

He plays in a midfield 2 for France also, but seems utterly useless when played there for us.

You do realise that going ridiculously overboard just stops people taking you seriously?

"He's been in poor form since re-joining us"? "Utterly useless for us in a midfield two"?

Absolute rubbish. He has been inconsistent. Huge difference. Yes, that means he has had periods where he's been poor. But it also means that he has had periods where he's been very good. Denying either is ridiculous.

When we take the full two and a half seasons as a whole, Pogba has a strong claim on being our best outfield player overall. That's a sad indictment on our other players, but it's still true. No defender, no midfielder, no winger, and no striker (other than maybe Zlatan for 12 months) have been better than him. The reason for that is because every other player has been just as (if not more) inconsistent as he has.

 

[K2K]

Rumours going around that he will be made captain.

Great news.

Love him but I think it's too soon..

Let this Jose episode die down completely and revisit this in a year or two.

It draws unnecessary attention on him and us at the moment. We don't need that.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

This is absolutely not true. Jose probably deserved to be fired and he has been fired. That's fine. But let's not rewrite history to hang him. Pogba played some incredibly brilliant games under Jose. Cross field passes, cheeky dribbles, forward runs, etc. We have seen a number of them in the last three years or so. The problem was that he was never consistent and let the team down occasionally. Plus his agent did not help matters. He was not benched when he played brilliantly. He was benched when he didn't and because of off field issues with his manager.

The tweet is nonsense, agreed. Only clip of that pass I could find though. It’s a fecking lovely pass.

 

[VeevaVee]

Love him but I think it's too soon..

Let this Jose episode die down completely and revisit this in a year or two.

It draws unnecessary attention on him and us at the moment. We don't need that.

Agreed. Just let the guy play football man.

 

[Amar__]

I am really excited to see how good Pogba can become, but it really pisses me off when people start calling him the best midfielder in the world again after one game against shit opposition in which he wasn't even that good. Every fecking time he puts one or two good performance somehow we have same shite here. I want him to succed as much as many United fans, I can't live from my United hating mates criticising him all the time, but feck it he is not even close to being best in the world. He was never at any point the best midfielder in the world.

However, I think he has the potential to be the midfielder best in history, whether he will turn out to be or not that's for all of us to witness. Let's hope he does, and let's hope he starts performing at good and consistent level as soon as possible.

 

[Moonred]

Pogba might end his career oscillating between sublime and ordinary. That’s just how he might be. I haven’t had problems grasping the fact that when he is brilliant he is incredible, but he is still capable of doing some unfathomable ordinary stuff. Let’s hope he works on that part of the game because the good stuff is one of a kind and a rare sight.

 

[Mr PG]

He’s usually our best performer on the pitch even when others get the motm and cardiff is a great example. Heavily Involved in all 4 goals.

 

[kouroux]

He played alongside Kante and Matuidi. Hardly a midfield two.

Even Griezman comes towards midfield areas and it gives him this way many passing options. That's some special history editing to say he plays in a midfield 2 for France (obviously this isn't aimed at you)

 

[Brwned]

You'd expect a "world class" midfielder to be able to play in a midfield 2 and follow some directions/instructions from his manager?

No, you would. But there's lots of good reasons why other people don't, including some elite managers he's played under. If you see discipline as an extension of effort, and you think everyone should have the same capacity for effort, then it's not unreasonable to think that he should be able to do that. Lots of other football cultures don't think that way at all, and lots of psychological theories would challenge that notion of effort, grit, or whatever you want to call it.

Xavi in a midfield two with few passing options and lots of defensive responsibility was not world class. In his ideal role in an ideal team, he's arguably better than anyone has ever been in that position. Spanish football fans don't hold it against Xavi that when he did play a much more exposed and responsible role, he wasn't that great. Glenn Hoddle is one of the most talented midfielders ever born in this country but he was perceived by many English fans, players and coaches as fairweather players - while on the continent he was seen by many to be exceptional. Pirlo was amazing in different positions and different roles in different eras, but if you're asking him to be a 2-man midfield alongside an immobile and slow-thinking water-carrier, you're going to see a poor and inconsistent version of himself. Cesar Cueto's one of the most magical playmakers I've ever seen, but you don't need to see much of him to know he needed the platforms his club and country provided for him to be exceptional.

The different sets of priorities and expectations shape your evaluation of his performance, which is entirely inevitable, but we should be able to step back and recognise that our priorities and expectations aren't right. They're just a subjective impression we've built up over time, primarily watching a different kind of football to the one that Pogba associates with and excels in. Most players with Pogba's skillset, style and "philosophy" needed way more support to perform than what you're saying. The two big differences are that Pogba's physique give you the impression that he could be so much more than that, and he's spent a lot of time in English football so we should expect him to have acclimatised differently. IMO, that's the same kind of thinking that makes some British people annoyed that some folks in foreign countries aren't able to understand English. It's a small, mostly harmless belief that is IMO a little ignorant.

 

[Moonred]

No, you would. But there's lots of good reasons why other people don't, including some elite managers he's played under. If you see discipline as an extension of effort, and you think everyone should have the same capacity for effort, then it's not unreasonable to think that he should be able to do that. Lots of other football cultures don't think that way at all, and lots of psychological theories would challenge that notion of effort, grit, or whatever you want to call it.

Xavi in a midfield two with few passing options and lots of defensive responsibility was not world class. In his ideal role in an ideal team, he's arguably better than anyone has ever been in that position. Spanish football fans don't hold it against Xavi that when he did play a much more exposed and responsible role, he wasn't that great. Glenn Hoddle is one of the most talented midfielders ever born in this country but he was perceived by many English fans, players and coaches as fairweather players - while on the continent he was seen by many to be exceptional. Pirlo was amazing in different positions and different roles in different eras, but if you're asking him to be a 2-man midfield alongside an immobile and slow-thinking water-carrier, you're going to see a poor and inconsistent version of himself. Cesar Cueto's one of the most magical playmakers I've ever seen, but you don't need to see much of him to know he needed the platforms his club and country provided for him to be exceptional.

The different sets of priorities and expectations shape your evaluation of his performance, which is entirely inevitable, but we should be able to step back and recognise that our priorities and expectations aren't right. They're just a subjective impression we've built up over time, primarily watching a different kind of football to the one that Pogba associates with and excels in. Most players with Pogba's skillset, style and "philosophy" needed way more support to perform than what you're saying. The two big differences are that Pogba's physique give you the impression that he could be so much more than that, and he's spent a lot of time in English football so we should expect him to have acclimatised differently. IMO, that's the same kind of thinking that makes some British people annoyed that some folks in foreign countries aren't able to understand English. It's a small, mostly harmless belief that is IMO a little ignorant.

This is a general point well received and understood mostly. Curiously enough the detractors often pretend or actually have a much higher expectations from Pogba than others.

 

[Gazza]

Very insightful post @Brwned

Pogba gets it in the neck from people like Souness because not only does he clash with the British concept of what a midfielder is supposed to do, he doesn't fit people's perceptions of how a footballer is meant to act. I think many find it difficult to be objective about him or see what he brings to the team.