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I can't stop repeating myself about his ease of executing skills to beat players. So easy for him.
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MAJESTIC
I can't stop repeating myself about his ease of executing skills to beat players. So easy for him.
I don't understand the hostility on this board toward advanced metrics and their deep analysis. It's bizarre. If "goals and assists" were enough to gage a fraction of a player's contributions, than why count passes, runs, tackles, duels, dribbles, etc.?
Step out of the dark ages and join the enlightened.
Didn't meant to be rude, but sometimes feels like people transforms a simple thing (player x gets the ball, passes it to player Y, who scores) in a crazy metric/analysis extravaganza that serves for nothing (personal opinion, ofcourse) and resembles the times when arsenal fans spoke about the importance of the "pre-assists" or something like that.
I absolutely love watching him play he just oozes class. He was head and shoulders above everyone else on the pitch last night.
Does it while playing at jogging pace. Can you imagine how much it would have hurt if he never came back and we had to watch him do these in a different jersey?
I already could barely stomach to watch Juve while he was there
I already could barely stomach to watch Juve while he was there
MAJESTIC
I can't stop repeating myself about his ease of executing skills to beat players. So easy for him.
Who the feck makes a video like this and decides to cut all the clips short so you can't see whether the pass actually finds its man? Disgusting.
I know right..but hey, still a good effort from him to watch the whole 90 minutes, cut it, put music, escape copy rights and upload it on youtube just hours after the game.
That's true, but it's sort of similar to tripping yourself up on the finish line.
Pogba's ability to make the right pass with just about any part of either feet is second to none!
I thought he would have walked into our midfield in '16, right after the final in Milan
why asking me? I might be the only madridista in the world who genuinely wanted us to sign him and was pissed off to see us give up without a fight I'd still take him in a heartbit in fact. Would give up Kroos or Modric for him(well, hypothetically, so not really, but you get the point)
You mean how De Bruyne struggles with his terrible attackers to finish off chances?
What could have been.
We were swatting everyone aside until his injury at the start of the season.
Then his red card fecked us for the City game and set the tone for a poor December.
Hopefully can press on injury/suspension free and win us some stuff in the second half of the season.
We were swatting everyone aside until his injury at the start of the season.
Then his red card fecked us for the City game and set the tone for a poor December.
Hopefully can press on injury/suspension free and win us some stuff in the second half of the season.
The media will always underrate him because he plays for us while City's ginger kid takes all the plaudits. In a way, that's fine with us, might keep him below the radar of Madrid or Barca. Not that I believe he would consider moving if we are successful enough.
Dare i say best attacking midfielder in the league? With De Bruyne a close second. A football team would be devastating if both of them are in it together
Toure
The main problem with xG and xA is that they’re a load of bollox. Massively open to misinterpretation (as you’ve illustrated nicely above) but come with a sheen of quasi-scientific quackery that makes people read far too much into them. Almost all stats in football are fundamentally flawed and these add nothing useful to the party.
The media will underrate him because he hasn't put in consistently good performances against big teams, a lot of the times he's denied of space and pressed, he looks half the player.
If he played for Pep...
Such a joy to watch when he plays like he did last night. I just want him to do that against a Liverpool for example, which will shut the haters and naysayers up once and for all.
You don't even need the media for that, some on here do it...
Maybe 15 years ago. There are trawlers who turn quicker than Yaya does these days.Toure
Was in the game last night and he was all over the game. He controlled it, he passed amazingly, he provided 2 assists.. Maybe he should be more involved defensively sometimes, but overall it was an extraordinary performance from the big guy.
Really pleased for him!
Really pleased for him!
Could not agree more.
Football is far too fluid a sport to be broken down into statistics. They can be useful indicators, that can point to certain playing styles in the case of xg but they reflect almost nothing in terms of the quality of players/performances. Still to the old fashioned method of what you see. I couldn't imagine watching a game and changing my opinion of a performance afterwords when I see some numbers. Jesus wept.
There is no midfielder in world football today that I will exchange for Paul Pogba. None.
I love this fact!
Its not. Scholes was named the satellite and Ronaldo said Scholes could hit trees from 70 yards on the training ground.
difficult to say really. to be better, he'll need to be one of the best ever which is a stretch.
yes it certainly is. For me its the strongest part of his game. much better than his long range shooting
Its neither. Cesc Fabregas has been the best long passer for 10 years.
got a big shout
I have to disagree. Zidane's dribbling skills were also dazzling from his youth days. When his manager saw him as a kid, he said how he was just dribbling past all the opposition. Also as strong as Pogba is, I remember Zidane being a powerhouse. The likes of Scholes and Keane even could not get him off the ball as he was a real physical specimen with big thighs. the final difference was that aggression. Pogba is the atypical modern day player compared to the 90's and 80's lot. Zidane grew up experiencing racism due to his Algerian heritage and it made him carry a feeling of resentment which translated into aggression on the pitch. He has been sent off over a dozen times in his career, sometimes due to violent stamps and that brutality shows he is unlikely to get bullied by rough opponents. Again, when we played Real, I recall Figo and Zidane shrugging off our players and being unphased by their aggression. Ad that to their technical prowess and we just had no answers. Its a good feature to have especially if you play in England.
Absolute class against a crap away side last night.
However he seems to be the 1st to take his foot off the pedal and start showboating. It then seems to Cath in to the rest of the team and as Maureen said...it all gets slow.
He seems to be the one dictating our play and personally think we need to start going for the kill for 90 minutes. It's amazing what 5 nil thrashings does to teams mentality when playing us.
It' how City are getting away with having an average defence so much...teams paying too much respect.
However he seems to be the 1st to take his foot off the pedal and start showboating. It then seems to Cath in to the rest of the team and as Maureen said...it all gets slow.
He seems to be the one dictating our play and personally think we need to start going for the kill for 90 minutes. It's amazing what 5 nil thrashings does to teams mentality when playing us.
It' how City are getting away with having an average defence so much...teams paying too much respect.
I disagree. Pogba has that Scholes-esque zip on his long passes that Fabregas doesn't have.
It's not nonsense, but it only shows a broad picture. It's good to highlight some tendencies, but obviously not ideal in, say, player to player comparison
I watched some big cats documentary last week and there was a bit on Cheetahs and how they can change direction at those speeds with just a swivel of the hips and watching Pogba yesterday reminded me of that. He’s taking people out of the game with just a simple hip shift. The boys so damn strong as well.
Can't be bothered when people say this. Just take solace in knowing if he's as good as we say he is, he will prove the doubters wrong in time. There was also a solid period when people believed Ronaldo couldn't perform in big games
Yeah we were getting frustrated by this as well. He will pull off a fabulous pass, and rather than surge forward in support he’ll jog around looking pleased with himself.
I’m not sure he’ll ever change his ways and add the “midfield general” to his skill set; doing so might compromise his other talents anyway. We need to get another midfielder alongside him, hope he isn’t made captain and appreciate him for what he is.
Remember when he was the "elephant" in the room. Idiots.
Idiots.@Rockets Redglare
@Rossa
I have already mentioned that Sterling have a high G/xG ratio and that this have helped De Bruyne getting a "free" assist. I did that in the post in which I introduced the statistics.
@Rossa
I have already mentioned that Sterling have a high G/xG ratio and that this have helped De Bruyne getting a "free" assist. I did that in the post in which I introduced the statistics.
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Could become as good as Zidane. It's down to luck now and application. He'll get more of the former if he nails the latter
I disagree, Fabregas has the panashe on his long passes.....this could go on a while.
I think you have a good point in that Martial's goal should have a higher xG. Because the attack is a fast transition. But it's not enough to explain the xA-difference between De Bruyne and Pogba.
Take a look at subjective statistics such as chances created. They pick up what you just described, but De Bruyne still outperforms Pogba with 50 %. Not as much as with the xA statistics, but it's clear that De Bruyne have been a more productive playmaker this season.
Agree to disagree then.
But who gives a toss about G7xG ratios? One "free" assist? Are you one of those stats-trumps-all people who genuinly believe Lampard was better than Scholes or Xavi for instance? Pogba's pass for Martial's goal was a great pass, perfectly weighted. If De Bruyne had made a similar pass, commentators would be wanking themselves silly.
Pogba's long range passing is more Gerrardesque mixed with say Xabi Alonso in terms of style.. its very flat, but spectacular.. his accuracy however isn't as 100% as a Pirlo/Scholes but he has a greater range/types of pass than possibly anyone in the game and the fact he's ambidextrous.. he's a special special talent.
Through ball wise, he's not on KDB level IMO.. not as precise, decision-making not as good. Cesc is better in terms of decision making too, and through balls short and long - he is superior. Switching the play, Pogba is the best in the world IMO.. hits them out to either flank and with zip.
Has it in his locker to be best overall passer in the game but he'd need to up his consistency and accuracy. Short game would also have to come on alot. For me KDB is best all-round passer in the game at the moment (outside of Messi).
Through ball wise, he's not on KDB level IMO.. not as precise, decision-making not as good. Cesc is better in terms of decision making too, and through balls short and long - he is superior. Switching the play, Pogba is the best in the world IMO.. hits them out to either flank and with zip.
Has it in his locker to be best overall passer in the game but he'd need to up his consistency and accuracy. Short game would also have to come on alot. For me KDB is best all-round passer in the game at the moment (outside of Messi).
Fabregas' long range passing is too slow compared to Pogba and especially Scholes. Nobody, not even Pogba, is up there with Scholes - Xavi for instance never was. Hitting them hard means that defenders are unable to move across quickly enough. It's arguably more important than pin perfect precision.
Gerrard would hit them lofty in terms of Scholes! Way way too slow compared to Scholes. Rooney was more comparable to Gerrard in terms of long range passing.
Otherwise, I agree with your post.
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