VanGaalEra
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the Sanchez thread is rekindling some memories!
How come the ‘it’s only Stoke’ or ‘it’s against Stephen Ireland’ type of shite only gets spouted with him?
De Bruyne plays like that and it’s a totally different story.
We should start thinking about contract extension at start of next season, we arent bad as Arsenal owners/board/Wenger when it comes to contracts but we arent that much better. I know some will say how its way to early but that kind of thinking gets club in position when players start getting more power then club and suddenly 3 years turn into 2 etc.
He’s on a 5+1 contract so at the end of this season he will effectively have four years left.
Oh, didnt know that, that changes things.
I thought it was 4 + 1Thing is with Pogba is that he loves being here, at the club and in Manchester. It is why he came back. Him signing for 6 years was indicative of that.
To be fair, that's probably because De Bruyne has had some great games in big matches the last few years, Pogba not so much.How come the ‘it’s only Stoke’ or ‘it’s against Stephen Ireland’ type of shite only gets spouted with him?
De Bruyne plays like that and it’s a totally different story.
I thought it was 4 + 1
DeBruyne have been a lot better than Pogba this season. But this match Pogba was definitely up there with DeBruyne.How come the ‘it’s only Stoke’ or ‘it’s against Stephen Ireland’ type of shite only gets spouted with him?
De Bruyne plays like that and it’s a totally different story.
DeBruyne have been a lot better than Pogba this season. But this match Pogba was definitely up there with DeBruyne.
Debatable... 2 assists but thought him and Martial were our worst 2 of the front 6. Careless for the most part but hey, 2 assists so doesn't matter all too much!
Keep in mind that that was in the...35th minute? Right after a spell where we weren't playing well at all and Stoke were carving us open and we were being sloppy.
We took a chance playing Pogba in a role where he had more freedom in the first half. It was a risk worth taking considering we were playing Stoke at Old Trafford. I would actually lay some of the blame on our defenders with how we were carved open, especially Smalling.Keep in mind that that was in the...35th minute? Right after a spell where we weren't playing well at all and Stoke were carving us open and we were being sloppy.
I think so yes both in terms of playmaking and in scoring goals. Pogba hasn't been near DeBruyne's level.A lot better, what?
So you're just discounting 6 assists to prove your point?I think so yes both in terms of playmaking and in scoring goals. Pogba hasn't been near DeBruyne's level.
DeBruyne
xA 7.7
Assists 9
Pogba
xA 2.8
Assists 9
DeBruyne have created an expected 8 assists. The 9th assist can be explained by good finishing from the recipient of the pass. Pogba have created an expected 3 assists, and the other 6 assists are "freebees" from the recipients.
Compare the G and xG ratios for De Bruyne versus Pogba:
De Bruyne
xG: 3.3
Goals: 6
Pogba
xG: 5.1
Goals: 3
De Bruyne have scored six goals from an expected 3. Meaning he scores goals twice as many goals as expected. Pogba have an almost inverted ratio. He's scored 3 goals from an expected 5, just above half of what is expected.
These differences might even out in the long run. But so far they haven't been close to comparable this season.
I think so yes both in terms of playmaking and in scoring goals. Pogba hasn't been near DeBruyne's level.
DeBruyne
xA 7.7
Assists 9
Pogba
xA 2.8
Assists 9
Pogba would be at 3 assists this season if it wasn't for players like Martial and Lingard having very high G/xG-ratios. DeBruyne would've been at 8 if it wasn't for goals like Sterlings 2-1 against Southampton.
Compare the G and xG ratios for De Bruyne versus Pogba:
De Bruyne
xG: 3.3
Goals: 6
Pogba
xG: 5.1
Goals: 3
De Bruyne have scored six goals from an expected 3. Meaning he scores goals twice as many goals as expected. Pogba have an almost inverted ratio. He's scored 3 goals from an expected 5, just above half of what is expected.
These differences might even out in the long run. But so far the two haven't been comparable this season.
How come the ‘it’s only Stoke’ or ‘it’s against Stephen Ireland’ type of shite only gets spouted with him?
De Bruyne plays like that and it’s a totally different story.
I think so yes both in terms of playmaking and in scoring goals. Pogba hasn't been near DeBruyne's level.
DeBruyne
xA 7.7
Assists 9
Pogba
xA 2.8
Assists 9
Pogba would be at 3 assists this season if it wasn't for players like Martial and Lingard having very high G/xG-ratios. DeBruyne would've been at 8 if it wasn't for goals like Sterlings 2-1 against Southampton.
Compare the G and xG ratios for De Bruyne versus Pogba:
De Bruyne
xG: 3.3
Goals: 6
Pogba
xG: 5.1
Goals: 3
De Bruyne have scored six goals from an expected 3. Meaning he scores goals twice as many goals as expected. Pogba have an almost inverted ratio. He's scored 3 goals from an expected 5, just above half of what is expected.
These differences might even out in the long run. But so far the two haven't been comparable this season.
Rooney under Moyes got 22 (12 in the league). Last time we had someone with 15 assists in the PL was RVP in Fergie's last season.When's the last time we had a player that got 15+ assists in one season?
If that's how you interpret the pretty obvious stats above then I think you're a lost cause.So you're just discounting 6 assists to prove your point?
Just look at the output per minutes played and you'll understand that you're talking nonsense.
I think so yes both in terms of playmaking and in scoring goals. Pogba hasn't been near DeBruyne's level.
DeBruyne
xA 7.7
Assists 9
Pogba
xA 2.8
Assists 9
Pogba would be at 3 assists this season if it wasn't for players like Martial and Lingard having very high G/xG-ratios. DeBruyne would've been at 8 if it wasn't for goals like Sterlings 2-1 against Southampton.
Compare the G and xG ratios for De Bruyne versus Pogba:
De Bruyne
xG: 3.3
Goals: 6
Pogba
xG: 5.1
Goals: 3
De Bruyne have scored six goals from an expected 3. Meaning he scores goals twice as many goals as expected. Pogba have an almost inverted ratio. He's scored 3 goals from an expected 5, just above half of what is expected.
These differences might even out in the long run. But so far the two haven't been comparable this season.
If he could only improve the defnsive side of his game, which costs us against better teams (more than people realize) he would without doubt be the best midfielder in the world when on form IMO. Modric is the best right now though.I think he's been great this season. You only need to look at how piss poor we are without him to see how important he is to the team.
How about thinking this way instead: if let's say Stephen Ireland, and not say Martial, would have received "the pass" from Pogba, would he have scored?Your actually hilarious pal its unreal. xG and xA obviously means jack all, an assist is a flipping assist pal, if Pogba didn't make that pass, would the player have scored the goal? NO, end of question.
Quit trying to make excuses for the fact Pogba's having a good season, and more assists per minute than De Bruyne.
Ah, the standard reply when someone has nothing of value to say. You realise how deluded you sound? I pointed out what was clearly flawed in your fantasy conclusion and all you can say in response is, "I'm right, you're wrong and I don't need to explain why". Don't spout crap and act surprised when you're called up on it.If that's how you interpret the pretty obvious stats above then I think you're a lost cause.
How about thinking this way instead: if let's say Stephen Ireland, and not say Martial, would have received "the pass" from Pogba, would he have scored?
How about thinking this way instead: if let's say Stephen Ireland, and not say Martial, would have received "the pass" from Pogba, would he have scored?