If the game is won, well then why is this an issue. Most top players will take their foot off the gas to save energy and the risk of injury. If he was taking his foot off the gas at 1-0 well then that's a genuine complaint on his mentality.
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If the game is won, well then why is this an issue. Most top players will take their foot off the gas to save energy and the risk of injury. If he was taking his foot off the gas at 1-0 well then that's a genuine complaint on his mentality.
In 14/15 he was injured during most of the knockout stages; but still had a good game away at the Bernabeu.
15/16:
Both legs against Man City
Both legs against Bayern Munich
It's a flat out lie that Pogba did not perform well in big games in the CL.
He was also great against Arsenal with 2 assists before getting sent off. He's missed all of our other big matches this season be it due to injury or suspension.
This. No point going for 5-0 when you can be smart and prepare for the next match.
The idea that Pogba is not a big game player is just devoid of evidence. Anyone that watched other leagues would know Pogba performed in all types of game. The only way someone could get another impression is if they are ignorant and assumed that Pogba played in every big game like he did at Anfield.
Pogba has missed a significant amount of big games for us; at first because he was rested for EL and second because he was injured. He performed regularly in big games for Juventus.
Unfortunately some of our players' are poorly thought of because of our underwhelming big game performances. Its unfair because the tactics just never gave them a chance to shine. Lukaku is played extra isolated and Pogba is played extra deep leading to some godawful outings against the big teams
He'll prove people wrong soon. I keep telling people the 'doesn't show up in big games' myth once followed Ronaldo (annoyed me to no end). Our recent commitment to running our attack through him guarantees he'll stop being bypassed by our other players
And even in that match he created a chance that Ibra clearly should have put away and would have grabbed us the points.
Pogba's 16/17 season highlight compilation is really just a collection of Ibra and Lingard wasting his best passes
I believe Mourinho has a good understanding with Pogba, and the reason why we have been underwhelming in big games is because Pogba has missed many of them. It is a feedback loop; we are a worse team without Pogba, which leads to Mourinho playing more conservative when he isnt there.
We are a completely different team with Pogba, both when we dominate possession and when we do not.
Yes Mourinho has explicitly said we set up different when he doesn't play. I have some reservations on whether the absence of one player swinging our approach to such drastic extremes is necessary but I'm not a CL winning coach
Why are you lying ?
2014-2015
"The defending Serie A champions were knocked out of the competition in the group stages last term and a repeat looked on the cards just after the hour-mark on Tuesday. But Juve produced a spirited comeback as Roberto's unfortunate 65th-minute own goal was followed by Paul Pogba's winner a minute later."
He saved them !
In the knockout phase, they meet Dortmund. He assisted Morata for the winner at the Signal Iduna Park ( 1-2 )
After 20 minutes, he was injuried in the second leg and against Monaco in the 1/4.
He was back against Real Madrid in the second leg. He made light of his lack of match fitness with a determined display, growing in strength as the game progressed. He also used his height and strength to help tee up a chance which Morata buried and send Juve into Champions League final against Barcelona.
2015-2016
He bullied City
And at the Etihad he made a beautiful assist to Mandzukic
Against Bayern
Not bad for a midfielder who was 21-23 at that time
And in Serie A he always scored beautiful goals against Napoli...at least 3 or 4 volley...
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Myth get perpetuated so easily it's amazing. Like one player doesn't do in a certain game and a whole narrative is born out of it.
This is not true, maybe top players who don't have great stats (Hazard for example). But the guys scoring buckets of goals? no chance. Tottenham don't slow down when 2/3 goals up they keep going, the result? Kane ends up padding his stats with lots of goals. Messi and Ronaldo have a LOT of goals scored in the last 10/15 minutes of games when teams are beaten.
From a team who lost a title and a CL position due to goal difference this decade, to our local rivals nonetheless. Id rather we kept going, thanks.
Lying? Are you kidding me? In the 2015 CL final he was arguably the worst player on the field. So timid and full of unforced errors. Also, in that game against Real that you were talking about, he was just bleak.
He gets overwhelmed when he meets the real powerhouses of club football, not Dortmund, not an old version of Man City,
But against Real, against Barca. He suffers from the same thing Lukaku does when it comes to big games, a lighter version of it.
He gets overwhelmed when he meets the real powerhouses of club football, not Dortmund, not an old version of Man City,
But against Real, against Barca. He suffers from the same thing Lukaku does when it comes to big games, a lighter version of it.
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He wasn't overwhelmed when he played Bayern away and played very good game.
Just watch him get overwhelmed once again this year in the CL when the tough gets going, not only that, watch him get overwhelmed this summer in the WC once France has to meet the big guns.
He is a super skillful player, but his head can't handle it when he has to take that last step toward the absolute elite in games that make history. He is no Busquets, that's for sure.
He is a super skillful player, but his head can't handle it when he has to take that last step toward the absolute elite in games that make history. He is no Busquets, that's for sure.
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Saw online some Liverpool fan who said Pogba's 9 assists are all very easy(you've seen the post, no?) and is down to players being lucky in finishing. I didn't want to argue cause some of those guys are basically block heads who don't watch sh!t
Most of Paul's assists are "easy" cause HE makes them easy.
Take for example, Martial's goal against Stoke last week. The no-look assist thing, not every one can pull that off. Yes Tony was "lucky" his shot went in but the only reason he could take that shot was cause Pogba didn't even look at him!
If he took a second to look at Tony before passing the ball, a defender would have closed him down before taking the shot, in the best case Martial wins a free kick. Because he didn't look at anyone, defenders closed him(Paul) down, leaving room and time for Martial to pick his spot off the perfectly weighed no-look pass.
Also, everybody gets easy assists time and time again, just like easy goals i.e tap ins. If goals and assists were to start being classed as "easy", most of City's goals will be termed " easy" cause they are usually very close to the keeper before the goal.
Most of Paul's assists are "easy" cause HE makes them easy.
Take for example, Martial's goal against Stoke last week. The no-look assist thing, not every one can pull that off. Yes Tony was "lucky" his shot went in but the only reason he could take that shot was cause Pogba didn't even look at him!
If he took a second to look at Tony before passing the ball, a defender would have closed him down before taking the shot, in the best case Martial wins a free kick. Because he didn't look at anyone, defenders closed him(Paul) down, leaving room and time for Martial to pick his spot off the perfectly weighed no-look pass.
Also, everybody gets easy assists time and time again, just like easy goals i.e tap ins. If goals and assists were to start being classed as "easy", most of City's goals will be termed " easy" cause they are usually very close to the keeper before the goal.
Are you even a United fan? How the hell are you waiting for our best player to underperform in the CL just so you can be right?
Truth is young players whose games are based on trickery usually go through a spell where they have to figure out how to effectively translate their talents against the big sides. Some never figure it out
He's going to thrive with Sanchez
The only big games in the CL are against Real and Barca??? of which he has played 2 games. Therefore he is a shadow of himself in the CL??? Nevermind that Real and Barca have dominated european football in recent years; so if we are following 'logic' virtually every player is a shadow of themselves in the CL unless they play for Real or Barca because most teams have struggled against them. Nevermind going to the Allianz Arena; which is one of the most difficult places to go to.
This thread is filled with some proper WUMs, they basically ignore any evidence that goes against their narrative. It's really weird in that it's the only one where he is basically never good enough. There is always something wrong with Pogba for some in here. He is the only player that has to be perfect and even then it's probably not good enough.
This thread is filled with some proper WUMs, they basically ignore any evidence that goes against their narrative. It's really weird in that it's the only one where he is basically never good enough. There is always something wrong with Pogba for some in here. He is the only player that has to be perfect and even then it's probably not good enough.
Just because I think Pogba will underperform when it really matters in the CL doesn´t mean the rest of the team will.
He simply hasn't been the man of the big games during his career so far. Some people are talking about the Bayern game away.
He was not a dominating player that evening. Morata and other Juve players played a much more stable game.
Again, it seems like he becomes overwhelmed in the heat of the moment and underperforms.
During most of the games against the powerhouses this often happens and he kind of hides in the field, not wanting to take initiatives.
He simply hasn't been the man of the big games during his career so far. Some people are talking about the Bayern game away.
He was not a dominating player that evening. Morata and other Juve players played a much more stable game.
Again, it seems like he becomes overwhelmed in the heat of the moment and underperforms.
During most of the games against the powerhouses this often happens and he kind of hides in the field, not wanting to take initiatives.
He was 22 and played only 3 or 4 games before the final because he was injuried for 2 months.
Tevez and Pirlo where worst than him too. They weren't big games players ?
Maturing does not seem to have to helped him play better against really good teams, he stills hides in the field during the big games.
Also, did anyone claim Tevez is a big game player? As for Pirlo, he played really well when he won the CL and the WC in the past.
Don't think people ever questioned his abilities in big games
Also, did anyone claim Tevez is a big game player? As for Pirlo, he played really well when he won the CL and the WC in the past.
Don't think people ever questioned his abilities in big games
I would like to see him in front of Matic and Herrera v Everton , he ran the show there going forward , he’s always looking to play the ball forward as opposed to sideways . The problem is I guess that Herrera hasn’t been good enough this season to play so jose has to put him in alongside matic.He's going to thrive with Sanchez
I agree. Hopefully they will get a top class CM in the summer to slot in next to Matic.
Burnley 0:1 Man Utd
That first half was a perfect example of why Paul Pogba will only ever be about a tenth as good as he thinks he is.
Rubbish 30 yard shot when he coould have played a team mate in
Attempts to flick ball over defenders head too show off when he could have played either of TWO team mates in.
Two of Burnley's best openings a direct result of aul Pogba trying to show off in his own half, losing the ball, and then just giving up.
Games like this make him look more like a joke or a kid who has lost their playground, than a footballer, and unfortnuately these performances are more frequent than when he plays well...and much more frequent than games for us where he seems to have his head screwed on properly...which you can probably still count on one hand.
I've never seen a player with this much ability, so horrendously far away from where they should be mentally.
Rubbish 30 yard shot when he coould have played a team mate in
Attempts to flick ball over defenders head too show off when he could have played either of TWO team mates in.
Two of Burnley's best openings a direct result of aul Pogba trying to show off in his own half, losing the ball, and then just giving up.
Games like this make him look more like a joke or a kid who has lost their playground, than a footballer, and unfortnuately these performances are more frequent than when he plays well...and much more frequent than games for us where he seems to have his head screwed on properly...which you can probably still count on one hand.
I've never seen a player with this much ability, so horrendously far away from where they should be mentally.
That was not a good half.
He has been as bad as all the others.. Herrera on and move him higher on the pitch..
So, any take on Pogba's performance?
It's funny how after about a good performance against bottom-placed teams everybody praises him, saying how he is world class etc. But then, just a week after against a nothing special, but a competent team, proper middle class one, he is literally nowhere to be seen and completely loses midfield battle failing to create of note.
I think this performance shows that regrettably Pogba is simply has not developed at all in the last two years. He has a lot of talent and potential to be world-class, but he needs to perform in this type of games, not just stroll through outsiders.
It's funny how after about a good performance against bottom-placed teams everybody praises him, saying how he is world class etc. But then, just a week after against a nothing special, but a competent team, proper middle class one, he is literally nowhere to be seen and completely loses midfield battle failing to create of note.
I think this performance shows that regrettably Pogba is simply has not developed at all in the last two years. He has a lot of talent and potential to be world-class, but he needs to perform in this type of games, not just stroll through outsiders.
Feel sorry for him in some ways. He has literally zero movement around him. Lukaku is standing still, Martial expects the ball to feet every time, and Mata may aswell not be there. Messi couldn't play a pass to this lot.
He actually supposed to be better than Lingard and Matic. If he is not, then what's the point in having him?
Team sport and all that, no one is better than the weakest link ect ect..
That's hardly football. Just look at Pep's Barcelona or any other to team, Munich that won treble, all of them had some at best average players. Yet there were top teams, because they had a proper world class players like Messi and the rest.
So in football the rule "you are only as good as your weakest link" does not work.
I don’t think he’s having the best of games so far.
So Liverpool having shit keeper and defense doesnt hurt them because they have the best player in the league this season, got you..
Get your point, only messing with you..
What a terrible game from Pogba, hardly any good decisions and moaning. One of the worst games of the season for him. Although everybody has been really bad on the ball.
Seems to be losing his head. Need to cool down or be hooked off.
He consistently makes the worst decisions when counter attacking.
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