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2017-18 Performances


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37
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Definitely. To me, it didn't even look like he saw Martial - he was just scanning the oppositions box.
Did the same for Martial's goal at Everton. His awareness around the box is excellent.
 
Pogba is so good. He has potential to be the best in the world. I'm really glad he's here, such a joy to watch when he's in the mood.
 
But who gives a toss about G7xG ratios? One "free" assist? Are you one of those stats-trumps-all people who genuinly believe Lampard was better than Scholes or Xavi for instance? Pogba's pass for Martial's goal was a great pass, perfectly weighted. If De Bruyne had made a similar pass, commentators would be wanking themselves silly.
The thing about statistics is that they are at least somewhat objective.
 
I really don't think Scholes' opportunistic snipes at Pogba got the ridicule they deserved. He clearly had an agenda against him from the start and jumped on quite literally his only poor performance this season to rehash last season's tired narrative.

He would probably be in the running for POTY had he played enough games - He's having an incredible impact given how deep he's been played. Still hasn't lost a league game in an age either.
 
I really don't think Scholes' opportunistic snipes at Pogba got the ridicule they deserved. He clearly had an agenda against him from the start and jumped on quite literally his only poor performance this season to rehash last season's tired narrative.

He would probably be in the running for POTY had he played enough games - He's having an incredible impact given how deep he's been played. Still hasn't lost a league game in an age either.

This.
 
I really don't think Scholes' opportunistic snipes at Pogba got the ridicule they deserved. He clearly had an agenda against him from the start and jumped on quite literally his only poor performance this season to rehash last season's tired narrative.

He would probably be in the running for POTY had he played enough games - He's having an incredible impact given how deep he's been played. Still hasn't lost a league game in an age either.


I think Scholes has had it in for Pogba since Pogba said that Scholes coming out of retirement was the reason he decided to leave for Juventus.
 
As much as it gains grief for saying it - it'll be wonderful when he plays like that against one of the big teams. Possibly not all down to himself that issue (tactics etc) to be fair.
 
The thing about statistics is that they are at least somewhat objective.

Depends, who decides what is an easy chance created and which is not? You even go as far as argue that some assists are made easier because of the recipient. If that is so, any assist made to Messi should be counted as easy? Moreover, just because something looks easy from an armchair doesn't mean it is easy on the pitch. I like stats too, but when stats tell me that Rooney was one of the fastest players around, I also choose to use my own two eyes - the same goes with stats concerning players' assists.

Just as a tap-in counts just as much a a volley or a long range beauty, an assist is an assist. Not every player would have made that pass to Martial.
 
With world class players around him this guy will dominate. It's amazing if you think he's joint top of the assist rankings but has only played 13 games compared to KDB's 23.

I would love to see the amount of praise he would get if the press didn't hate Mou AND United.
 
With world class players around him this guy will dominate. It's amazing if you think he's joint top of the assist rankings but has only played 13 games compared to KDB's 23.

I would love to see the amount of praise he would get if the press didn't hate Mou AND United.

They hate him too.
 
He'll overtake De Bruyne in the hype stakes by the end of the season.
 
Offensively he was great as usual, but honestly, that first half was one of the worst defensive performances i've seen from a midfielder.
 
As much as it gains grief for saying it - it'll be wonderful when he plays like that against one of the big teams. Possibly not all down to himself that issue (tactics etc) to be fair.
It's a shame we haven't seen him against the big sides this season apart from Arsenal and we all saw how influential he was in that game. I have no doubt if Pogba had played against Liverpool for instance he would've turned that game from a draw to a win. There are such fine margins in those games and we went through a really tough period of games without our best player.
 
It's not that goals and assists are just enough, it's issues with xG xA stats. Does these stats consider whether the player receiving chance is Welbeck or RVN?

I read in this thread that a cross is considered as higher chance of goal according to stats, so does these stats consider how many players surrounds striker when he heads the ball and how much pressure is on him compared to player who receives pass near the edge of the box completely unmarked?

Does these stats consider players who are very good at shooting first time rather than players who takes multiple touches and messes up easy chances?

There are so many things that can't be measured using stats, so for that reason alone I don't consider some algorithm as means to judge creativity.

Yep, I get that. It's certainly not a perfect metric, and it's made worse by people misusing it or misunderstanding what it intends to represent. Just think of it as a supplemental tool to help measure aspects of a player's performance that stats like goals and assists can't accurately measure.

I think part of the hate xG gets is because some of the xG metric creators refused to disclose the inputs that are measured. But here's one from Michael Caley:
“The idea is to quantify the likelihood of a goal being scored from a particular shot attempt (or other scoring chance).

"[It] evaluates shot attempts across a variety of axes: where was the shot attempted from? What sort of pass assisted the shot? With what body part was the shot taken? Did the attacker dribble past his defender before trying the shot? How fast was the attacking move that led to the shot? Was the shot off a rebound or from a set play? All of these factors clearly influence the likelihood of scoring a goal. By aggregating this information into a model, I can estimate the likelihood of scoring different shooting chances in a match or over a season.”

And here's a deep analysis performed by Colin Trainor:

https://statsbomb.com/2013/08/goal-expectation-and-efficiency/
 
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Didn't meant to be rude, but sometimes feels like people transforms a simple thing (player x gets the ball, passes it to player Y, who scores) in a crazy metric/analysis extravaganza that serves for nothing (personal opinion, ofcourse) and resembles the times when arsenal fans spoke about the importance of the "pre-assists" or something like that.

I probably worded my post too harshly. :)

I agree stats usage can be taken to extremes, and certainly the more obscure stats are more prone to getting twisted to suite a person's argument. I think there's room for both, though.
 


MAJESTIC :drool:
I can't stop repeating myself about his ease of executing skills to beat players. So easy for him.


at 4.10, is he trying to do the fecking Rainbow? He's the most flairy player in the top 5 leagues.
 
He does all his work in a 2 man midfield as well. How would the likes of Kroos, de Bruyne etc do in the same circumstance? Pogba in a 3 is easily on their level and can be better.

Next year he’ll level up again and be even more ridiculous.
 
I really don't think Scholes' opportunistic snipes at Pogba got the ridicule they deserved. He clearly had an agenda against him from the start and jumped on quite literally his only poor performance this season to rehash last season's tired narrative.

He would probably be in the running for POTY had he played enough games - He's having an incredible impact given how deep he's been played. Still hasn't lost a league game in an age either.
Personally think scholes comments werent really anything bad. He just said he wasn't really being used to his full potential his full potential is using him in a midfield 3 and letting him have a gerrard/lampard role and burst forward, be creative, get in attacking positions and dominate up there. Shouldn't be seen as a midfield general to dictate games. In fact I'd say he needs that next to him to bring out his best, and I think that's what scholes meant. Obviously he can still do well there, but not nearly as well as when he gets the freedom to attack.
 
Personally think scholes comments werent really anything bad. He just said he wasn't really being used to his full potential his full potential is using him in a midfield 3 and letting him have a gerrard/lampard role and burst forward, be creative, get in attacking positions and dominate up there. Shouldn't be seen as a midfield general to dictate games. In fact I'd say he needs that next to him to bring out his best, and I think that's what scholes meant. Obviously he can still do well there, but not nearly as well as when he gets the freedom to attack.

Agreed.

Sometimes I don’t think pundits understand Pogba. He isn’t a midfielder in the traditional 442 sense they all seem to love.
 
I think Jose has given Pogba enough freedom to play however he likes. Why does he have to shoehorn him into a specific role like Gerrard/Lampard role or a Xavi/Pirlo role? Paul, a unique player, is clearly playing the Paul Pogba role and he is damn good at it.

He has already shown that he is capable of controlling the play from deep or be heavily involved in final third, playing it to a very high level. So, why take away any aspect of it? With time, his consistency and decision making is going to improve. Let him play the role he is best at, and get a midfielder to complement his game.
 
Pogba assists ever 126 minutes, best in the league :)

It’s crazy, you’d think the opposition would have some way of tracking this and when it reaches 125 minutes, get three or four players marking him.
 
Jose lets him get away with way too much, Allegri never used to let him do that.

Funny.
With Allegri, Pogba only played in a midfield 3 ( except against Bayern when he played as LM in the first legs and as SS in the second leg because Dybala was injuried ).

Allegri knew that it was a waste to play Pogba in a midfield 2.
 
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Offensively he was great as usual, but honestly, that first half was one of the worst defensive performances i've seen from a midfielder.
Think we need the hyperbole police for this post.
 
As much as it gains grief for saying it - it'll be wonderful when he plays like that against one of the big teams. Possibly not all down to himself that issue (tactics etc) to be fair.

I'd say it's almost entirely not down to him. Mourinho plays a totally different game of football against big teams. Defensive, pessimistic, centred around tactical and positional discipline. Pogba will never put in a great performance in a game like that, period.
 
I'd say it's almost entirely not down to him. Mourinho plays a totally different game of football against big teams. Defensive, pessimistic, centred around tactical and positional discipline. Pogba will never put in a great performance in a game like that, period.

He had the problem in Juventus. Dominated in the Serie A, was a bleak shadow of himself in the big games in the CL, year after year.

Seems to be a mental thing. Can he improve in big games? This spring will tell.
 
Still wouldn't be guaranteed to get into Spurs midfield.

Oh, Glaston, never change.
 
Absolute class against a crap away side last night.
However he seems to be the 1st to take his foot off the pedal and start showboating. It then seems to Cath in to the rest of the team and as Maureen said...it all gets slow.
He seems to be the one dictating our play and personally think we need to start going for the kill for 90 minutes. It's amazing what 5 nil thrashings does to teams mentality when playing us.
It' how City are getting away with having an average defence so much...teams paying too much respect.

Almost started a thread about this. We let teams of the hook way too many times. We stopped trying to score after 3-0 the other day with 15 mins to go.

Pogba usually starts to relax as soon as he feels the game is won. I hope he changes that mentality.
 
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