Carried them to victory
Oh wait, I should post something negative about the team or the players to get you agreeing with me.
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Oh wait, I should post something negative about the team or the players to get you agreeing with me.
Or not sensationalise his performance.
Or not continue with your pathetic agenda.
Nah you'd just have to not say utter nonsense like Pogba carried France to victory.
Your friend made very bad comparison.
One very good through ball for the penalty and literally created the second goal. Had participation in both of the goals, not sure why people are expecting more. Literally all of the French team was poor, he was the best of the lot.
Sometimes the tag "verified moaner" speaks for itself. I've seen your posts and it's fair to say that if you think that something's nonsense, then I'm personally okay with that description.
Which is it? A scoring central mid, which there aren't many around to begin with, or an orthodox central mid? Pogba is a multi-dimensional tool with high quality, but he'll never be better than a pure tool like a hammer or screwdriver. He can interchange because he gives those qualities, but if he's going to be one then the other side is going to be weaker. It's a give and take.
You're really passive aggressive with Pogba and it shows in your comments.
There is no discrepancy with Pogba when it comes to 'ability' and performance. If you think so then you were probably sold a lie when he transferred from Juventus to us.
Pogba struggled with consistency at Juventus, and the natural expectation is that with age will come maturity and consistency, We did not buy him because he was the finished product, rather it was because he is a potential top midfielder in the world that could move up a level when set as the talisman of the team.
Pogba has fantastic passing vision, physical monster, supreme dribbler. These abilities can be regularly seen in his performances. He however, does not have the ability to dictate the game due to his game awareness, and if you think his sporadic decision making is some sort or tactical mess-up by the manager then you probably haven't watched much of him pre-United.
Watching him play, it is obvious he just doesn't see the game completely. He regularly lets runners into his blind spot, and he has the habit of ball watching when the opposition have the ball. Of course, this is counteracted by his reading of offensive play where he is often ahead of everyone else with the ball which makes him a very good player.
On a field that had Griezman, Mbappe, Dembele and Kante, he came out the best player.
Criticize the player sure, thats fine.
But the constant criticism of his haircuts and lifestyle in general, definitely has racial undertones.
Think dembele and mbappe have to share the blame for that. Also not sure what tolisso was doing today. he wasn't great, but he did better than pretty much everyone else in the team bar kante and varane maybe.
People expect him to be Pirlo but have the output of Lampard at the same time.
He's not a player to dictate a game.
He's not a player to dictate a game.
My agenda that Pogba shouldn't be judged on extremes? OK.
I'm not in a disagreement that he had a good game today in retrospect to his peers. But it's extreme to say carried in my opinion. The first goal assist was a standard enough pass down the middle and the goal was a deflection. Not implying neither count as contributions - but to say carried the team is a bit far.
How the feck would it have racial undertone?
Exactly. New narrative is set now though how he was inconsistent even at Juve.
Without him they don't win the game or even score, don't see what's so funny.Carried them to victory
Guess you weren’t watching Kante then.
Really how so? I thought it was down to the £90 million price tag, high wages and reputation (world team 11 and Balon D'or 5th. All of this leads to high expectations. Where the racial stereotyping comes into play, I have no idea.
People who want to see it (racism) will find it, even if its not there and they have to fabricate.
I thought it was a very typical Pogba performance truth be told, looked great one minute and average the next. The way he fades in and out of games is hugely frustrating to watch. We won't see him reach his true potential until he learns to become more consistent.
Mbappe was far and away France's best player.
Or you were watching only Kante.
Kante was good and Pogba made both goals. The only two genuinely decent players for them today. The central midfield was OK, actually it's the highly spoken of attacking players that let France down.
He could be that player, though.
Disgree with the last assessment, Mbappe was very, very quiet. Only Kante and Pogba had a decent match imo. Pogba was the only attacking player who was playing anywhere near his potential.
Not a narrative at all. We even went through some comments from a Juventus forum earlier in this thread and many of them said the same thing. Pogba in his last year moved in and out of games and became a flair player of sorts. He was more hardworking and involved in the game when he first came to Juventus.
Not really passive aggresive, I just dont rate him as highly as his reputation and dont think hes earnt it. Think hes massively overrated. Has talent, not the brain or consistency and I'm not sure if he'll ever have it, but it's up to him to show he can.
I agree hes a multi dimensional tool, but he has to find the balance and do it during a game consistently. Not go from sloppy as feck and aimlessly jogging about, to all of a sudden showing the insiciveness and moments of quality. At the end of the day, hes a center mid. Hes not a pure #10, and when he plays as a 10, he doesnt produce those moments often enough to be worth getting that role full time. So if hes a midfielder, he has to get that consistency. Inconsistent midfielders are not world class midfielders.
Mbappe was the only man in the front 3 getting into good positions I thought. Especially early on.
Thought he played alright today. It wasn’t a great team performance from France but Pogba played some really nice passes and played a huge part in both goals. He does need to get more involved, at times the game just passes him by until he gets given the ball.
Don’t think he deserves any stinging criticism anyway.
Don’t think he deserves any stinging criticism anyway.
Mention a player that does both? Even KDB isn't that type of player.
Kante played very well too. France wouldn't have won without either player and they linked up really well together. Tolisso was a waste and not a surprise that Matuidi played well with Kante and Pogba. France's 3 attacking players didn't provide a regular point of attack, which I think hurts them. It's one player too many.
Pogba, Kante, Varane, Mbappe, Giroud were good for France today.
His work rate was never questioned and he wasn't inconsistent. He had set role and he played it really well. No one expected him to control the game, score goals and be a defensive mid at the same time.
He doesnt do either, which is the problem. Has to decide what type of player hes going to be, and an inconsistent player that doesnt control games but also doesnt score enough goals isnt enough. What he should be aiming for is a Yaya Toure type thing, but again, consistency isnt there and decision making isnt. Can he ever reach that? I'm not sure.
I think he did ok today. He can step it up as always, but I don't think he deserves to get major criticism for today.
I do feel bad for the lad at times, being at United seems to come with so much negativity from the public. It can't be easy to find your way through all of that.
He just needs to keep things simple and raise his intensity and keep going.
With France though, ,most of the blame for me lies with the coaching, just as with United, so pretty difficult situation all around.
I do feel bad for the lad at times, being at United seems to come with so much negativity from the public. It can't be easy to find your way through all of that.
He just needs to keep things simple and raise his intensity and keep going.
With France though, ,most of the blame for me lies with the coaching, just as with United, so pretty difficult situation all around.
What's racial about them? Does he not have a dodgy barnet? Did Beckham not get cited for his hairstyles, Spice girl wife and the lot? Just because a black person gets spoken about, doesn't mean it has "racial undertones". I am sure if Wilshere had mad haircuts, danced around on the Gram and was very self indulgent/narcissistic, it would be one of his main talking points about him. comes with the territory. You can't be "out there" and flash and not get attention for being "out there" and flash
Not sure what you're asking. Do you mean midfielders that are capable of dictating the tempo of a game? Clearly, there are a great many. Do I really need to name them?
I don't think France's team selection helped him (amusingly, given the bellyaching about it, I think they'd have been much better suited going two in midfield today, Tolisso and Kante was overkill) nor do I think too much should be made of the game, I just thought it was interesting that Pogba played the same role for France as he does for United and France produced a pretty 'United' performance. May just be a coincidence, but I just thought it interesting.
How is he not doing either when his output (goals plus assists) is very impressive this season?
I have no clue how many full seasons you tuned into him while at Juve but hear this, one of the resident Italian/Juve fans on the Caf said this of him in his debut season, "I don't know what you guys expect of Pogba to be honest because this is how he played for us. In a 42 game season he'd have 10 games where he looks like the best player in the league, 10 games where he looks like horse shit, and 22 matches where he would be largely indifferent but may grab a goal, an assist or create 2 good opportunities". personally this sounds exactly how he is so it depends on what your categorisation of consistent/inconsistent is?
Yep, that's what I thought too.
Pogba is not the type who is the all-action midfielder looking busy throughout the game. In his best games with us, he has a couple of moments of world class quality that decides the game. Similar today as well.
No one expects him to do that now either (except idiots like Souness).
I'm paraphrasing what Juventus fans said about him, he started off as a player known for being hard working and involved in the middle. He developed into a player that linked with the forwards really well and didn't influence the midfield battle to the level he did at the start.
I see him in the same mould as Mesut Ozil, he's inconsistent but that comes with his skillset and profile as a player. It's difficult to be consistent when you are the one taking risks and reliant on those behind you.
Also what @Stacks said
Not sure who said this, I watched his enough games to make a good judgement. He was considered as among the best players in the league, whenever I watched him (even in big games) he was very good.
Also not sure why we have to take everything Juve fans as gospel considering how extreme ManUtd fans opinion on players are (like Lukaku and Pogba).
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