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kouroux said:
Knee jerk reaction it is not. Just a simple reaction to a dumb post. I tried to adjust it as well as i could
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That goal scoring is not the single metric you use to assess a MFs impact?? If you couldn't understand the initial point, there's no hope...you'll just continue to walk the plank of nonsensical analysis.

You need to consider an array of factors even when comparing a player's goal output across seasons. If he played in the exact same setup as he did in Juve then you could legitimately compare goals scored to his previous seasons. If you're just one of those guys (like the OP) who looks at the price tag and assumes that you should deliver a plethora of goals from the MF position in a rigid Mourinho setup...then yes..you're too part of the reflex brigade.
 
I wasnt able to watch the game.
Where did he play? On the left in a midfield of 3?
 
Jeppers7 said:
Yeah I have a season ticket in the stretford end, yes he has improved vastly in recent weeks....Pogba's game has fell off a cliff in recent weeks. Sudden recent weeks is the only gauge. My exact point on the Pogba thread where people are talking like Lukaku has been brilliant all season after a run of good form.
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People on the Caf have a very, very short memory. Both Pogba and Matic were ''shit'' recently. Lukaku was terrible for like 12 games in a row. :lol:
 


"Jose Mourinho does not intend to place Paul Pogba on the summer transfer market and is working to elicit the best campaign of the midfielder’s career from the France international next season.
The Manchester United manager believes Pogba possesses the technical and physical qualities to establish himself as one of the world’s best footballers, but has stalled his own development by losing a degree of focus on the sport...
“Jose likes the player, but the player does not have his head in football,” a friend told Yahoo Sports. “Pogba is not focused on football, he has his head in music, in hairstyles, in shoes.”
It is understood that Mourinho has discussed the issue with France coach Didier Deschamps....Deschamps is said to have been sympathetic to Mourinho’s approach..."
 
Jeppers7 said:
Recently. It's like football was invented two months ago.
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How many big games has Pogba excelled in for Utd? Not decent-good performances(even those are rather rare) but games in which he has lived up to his reputation?

I love his ability but at this stage in his second career at Utd he has been disappointing overall. Maturity could change all that, hopefully the coming WC wakes him up. Career is over before you know it, don't waste years distracted.
 
Bobski said:
How many big games has Pogba excelled in for Utd? Not decent-good performances(even those are rather rare) but games in which he has lived up to his reputation?

I love his ability but at this stage in his second career at Utd he has been disappointing overall. Maturity could change all that, hopefully the coming WC wakes him up. Career is over before you know it, don't waste years distracted.
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The worry is that in big games we concede possession with the aim of bypassing midfield. Our manager wants players behind the ball with no interest in playing football. A creative midfielder will always suffer. He's missed almost every big game this season.

I don't think he will excel for united fully until we grow a set and become proactive rather than reactive
 
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That's one he'll of a powerful shot.

Reminds me OF CR7 THUNDERBOLT.
 
At times like these when things are not working out for him, i feel a person like Ibra, who is quite senior and accomplished and well respected would've got through to him. We have no one in our team(currently) with a similar profile is a problem.
 
Jeppers7 said:
The worry is that in big games we concede possession with the aim of bypassing midfield. Our manager wants players behind the ball with no interest in playing football. A creative midfielder will always suffer. He's missed almost every big game this season.

I don't think he will excel for united fully until we grow a set and become proactive rather than reactive
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This should be clear to more people than it is. This is true across all talent stocked teams with supremely risk-averse negative managers. Players that strive in a possession based system will always 'go missing' according to the viewers who think they can just impose their will when the team is setup to cede the ball. One of the most annoying and lazy go-to lines of criticism.
 
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United_We_Stand said:


"Jose Mourinho does not intend to place Paul Pogba on the summer transfer market and is working to elicit the best campaign of the midfielder’s career from the France international next season.
The Manchester United manager believes Pogba possesses the technical and physical qualities to establish himself as one of the world’s best footballers, but has stalled his own development by losing a degree of focus on the sport...
“Jose likes the player, but the player does not have his head in football,” a friend told Yahoo Sports. “Pogba is not focused on football, he has his head in music, in hairstyles, in shoes.”
It is understood that Mourinho has discussed the issue with France coach Didier Deschamps....Deschamps is said to have been sympathetic to Mourinho’s approach..."
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Deschamps and Mourinho.

Gotta feel for Pogba that he's gotta to listen to these.
 
United_We_Stand said:
"Jose Mourinho does not intend to place Paul Pogba on the summer transfer market and is working to elicit the best campaign of the midfielder’s career from the France international next season.
The Manchester United manager believes Pogba possesses the technical and physical qualities to establish himself as one of the world’s best footballers, but has stalled his own development by losing a degree of focus on the sport...
“Jose likes the player, but the player does not have his head in football,” a friend told Yahoo Sports. “Pogba is not focused on football, he has his head in music, in hairstyles, in shoes.”
It is understood that Mourinho has discussed the issue with France coach Didier Deschamps....Deschamps is said to have been sympathetic to Mourinho’s approach..."
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If any of that is true, then I hope there is someone around that can shake some sense into him.
His career - which brings him all the glamour and lifestyle that he loves - is in serious danger of being cut short or wasted.
Needs a big dose of reality.
 
MDFC Manager said:
Deschamps and Mourinho.

Gotta feel for Pogba that he's gotta to listen to these.
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To put Mourinho and Deschamps in the same bracket is a joke.

From the actual article Mourinho is bang on, Pogba does have all the tools to be one of the best players in the world and recently he has lost focus. Mourinho has recognised it and taken steps to try and get his head back in the game.

So tell me, where's the problem?
 
ZenMaster Coltrane said:
That goal scoring is not the single metric you use to assess a MFs impact?? If you couldn't understand the initial point, there's no hope...you'll just continue to walk the plank of nonsensical analysis.

You need to consider an array of factors even when comparing a player's goal output across seasons. If he played in the exact same setup as he did in Juve then you could legitimately compare goals scored to his previous seasons. If you're just one of those guys (like the OP) who looks at the price tag and assumes that you should deliver a plethora of goals from the MF position in a rigid Mourinho setup...then yes..you're too part of the reflex brigade.
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It's not, it's a bonus. A midfielder needs to do the basics right before adding goalscoring as a bonus. I don't give a feck about his price so why are you mentioning it ? He could have come for free that my opinion would be the same, the goals are a bonus. He needs to do his consistently first. Besides his stats aren't impressive to the point you'd consider playing him all the time. If he had Lampard like stats then a lot of fans/critics wouldn't care as much about the rest of his game.
Is it part of a complex brigade to expect him to do his job first (be available for passes, show intensity, show defensive urgency, less showboating) now ? Very childish way of looking at things.
 
TheReligion said:
Little tip. If you want to last longer on the forum offer more than WUMing. Otherwise you'll be gone :smirk:




As for you two I have to wonder if either:

A) you even watch United play for 90 minutes very often or
B) you actually understand how a game of football works.

Lukaku has been the club's best player in recent weeks and his all round game vastly improved. If you can't see that you really do need to visit your local optometrist as a matter of urgency.
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If you understand football, it is not about recent weeks. It is an all season judgment.
 
Discussing Lukaku who has been one of the best, if the not best player of the season for us despite his dip. 23 goals in last 24 games for Belgium. feck the first touch, he has assists in him too. Classic caf, berate players you don't like.
 
MDFC Manager said:
Deschamps and Mourinho.

Gotta feel for Pogba that he's gotta to listen to these.
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Strange considering his best football was played in Juve under Allegri who is just as pragmatic as these 2.

Pogba will never get full freedom to do what he wants because simply as, he's a midfielder not a forward. His coaches will always want him to do certain roles not just moving where he likes.
 
United_We_Stand said:


"Jose Mourinho does not intend to place Paul Pogba on the summer transfer market and is working to elicit the best campaign of the midfielder’s career from the France international next season.
The Manchester United manager believes Pogba possesses the technical and physical qualities to establish himself as one of the world’s best footballers, but has stalled his own development by losing a degree of focus on the sport...
“Jose likes the player, but the player does not have his head in football,” a friend told Yahoo Sports. “Pogba is not focused on football, he has his head in music, in hairstyles, in shoes.”
It is understood that Mourinho has discussed the issue with France coach Didier Deschamps....Deschamps is said to have been sympathetic to Mourinho’s approach..."
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:lol: What an absolute crock of nonsense.
 
NikSab said:
Discussing Lukaku who has been one of the best, if the not best player of the season for us despite his dip. 23 goals in last 24 games for Belgium. feck the first touch, he has assists in him too. Classic caf, berate players you don't like.
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Who'd have said that six weeks ago ?
 
Superhappy for him. Must have felt great to have such a good and positive night!

And i don’t buy for a second that his focus is off. He has always struck me as a very ambitious player. Didn’t he have a team of PTs and other specialists around him from a very young age?
 
Baxter said:
:lol: What an absolute crock of nonsense.
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Indeed. It was only in the summer Pogba and Lukaku were doing fitness training on their holidays to be in peak condition for pre-season.

Or maybe he was trying to lose weight to fit into these gorgeous new skinny jeans he bought that would look killer with blue hair!
 
MDFC Manager said:
Deschamps and Mourinho.

Gotta feel for Pogba that he's gotta to listen to these.
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Mourinho's one of the greatest managers in history and Deschamps, for all his faults as a coach, was a brilliant #6. If Pogba is going to play in a double pivot they are great options to learn from.

el3mel said:
Strange considering his best football was played in Juve under Allegri who is just as pragmatic as these 2.

Pogba will never get full freedom to do what he wants because simply as, he's a midfielder not a forward. His coaches will always want him to do certain roles not just moving where he likes.
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Agreed.

Its strange how Pogba's time at Juventus is being depicted as though he had no defensive duties. Like Allegri is some sort of Italian Kevin Keegan!? :lol:

The truth is, whereas at Juve Pogba was part of the crew, United have deliberately inflated Pogba's ego e.g. releasing a Pogmoji before a Liverpool game etc. Yet now Paul is behaving like the star the club has told him he is people are surprised. If you go out of your way to tell a player they're special they're likely to expect special treatment.
 
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The truth is, whereas at Juve Pogba was part of the crew, United have deliberately inflated Pogba's ego e.g. releasing a Pogmoji before a Liverpool game etc. Yet now Paul is behaving like the star the club has told him he is people are surprised. If you go out of your way to tell a player they're special they're likely to expect special treatment.
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Good point there. For large parts of Pogba's time at Juventus, he wasn't the star. He was surrounded by Pirlo and Vidal who were both better than him at the time, and Marchisio, who has a huge reputation at the club. Pogba had it all to prove in those first few years, and it showed. Whilst his performances for United range from lacklustre to brilliant, he often plays like he has nothing to prove to anyone. I prefer the Pogba who is desperate to show the world how good he is, which he's only done in small doses here.

My worry is that Mourinho isn't the man to make Pogba come around and turn him into the player who will run through a wall for him, like he did with Zlatan. I'm as far away from "Mourinho out!" as it gets, I'm very much pro-Jose, but I am concerned Mourinho might just think "You're not doing what I want. Sod you. I'll get someone else" which he has been known to do. He has history of being quite ruthless even with players he has signed, and I'd hate to see us lose Pogba again. We'd look even sillier than we did the first time.
 
ash_86 said:
At times like these when things are not working out for him, i feel a person like Ibra, who is quite senior and accomplished and well respected would've got through to him. We have no one in our team(currently) with a similar profile is a problem.
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Too bad we got rid of Rooney.
 
Good game from Pogba and also Lukaku yesterday, but let’s remember they were playing for great international sides against a very poor Russia and the minnows Saudi Arabia. Hell, I’d even expect my precious Norway to give these two teams a good run... and that says a whole lot.
 
James Peril said:
Good game from Pogba and also Lukaku yesterday, but let’s remember they were playing for great international sides against a very poor Russia and the minnows Saudi Arabia. Hell, I’d even expect my precious Norway to give these two teams a good run... and that says a whole lot.
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Lukaku has 23 in last 24 for Belgium. Let's pretend they were all minnows. Just like great performances vs Pool, Chelsea and Sevilla doesn't matter. What a load of tosh.
 
Give him the number 10 and tell him to start playing like one.

I’ve seen enough of him to know there’s a world class footballer there, he’s the modern day meta for an all action Central midfield player but he prefers the creative side of the game, so just let him do it.
 


Completely different body language to playing at United. His passing was crisp and he was constantly finding runners.
 
Raees said:
Completely different body language to playing at United. His passing was crisp and he was constantly finding runners.
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Come on he really wasn't much different to how he's played for us. He still overcomplicated it in the middle and lost the ball needlessly at times and on one occasion would have cost a goal against a decent side.

Great FK and a few good really good penetrating passes though.
 
Smores said:
Come on he really wasn't much different to how he's played for us. He still overcomplicated it in the middle and lost the ball needlessly at times and on one occasion would have cost a goal against a decent side.

Great FK and a few good really good penetrating passes though.
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Compared to how he's played for us recently, it was night and day. He made several great passes in between the lines and passes which could easily have led to assists. Considering the amount of talent on the pitch, from the french side.. he was comfortably the best player bar Mbappe.
 
Why people are comparing the way he played for us, with the way he played for France is beyond me.

He's been injured and was playing while injured for us, he was even wearing a knee brace in the first international match.

He's playing his way back to full fitness, so it makes sense that he's more agile & mobile in the two weeks since he last played for us.
 
Which position did Pogba play for France? In a double pivot with Kante, or as a #8 in a midfield 3?
 
el3mel said:
Strange considering his best football was played in Juve under Allegri who is just as pragmatic as these 2.

Pogba will never get full freedom to do what he wants because simply as, he's a midfielder not a forward. His coaches will always want him to do certain roles not just moving where he likes.
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Allegri's team is defensively solid but he's also capable of setting up a very good attack. His teams have a better balance than Deschamps and Mourinho who are way more defensive. Infact I'd go as far as saying he has the best balance between defense and attack than any coach in the world. Juventus at times play some beautiful fluid attacking football but they also know how to shut up shop when they need to. Pogba needs to improve and it doesn't matter who the manager is you put the hard work in but under a more attacking manager with defined role in attacking phase I feel he would be able to show his quality more.
 
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