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2017-18 Performances


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Christophe Dugarry (who will always remind me of Dubarry shoes) has just had a right go at Pogba and Griezmann.

Pogséries is a new one to me. I bet it’s fecking shite.
I cant help but read quotes from French people in a French accent. It's distracting.

That said, this is the exact same stick Depay gets in Holland for wearing a silly hat and such. Once he starts performing better no one will care.
 
Has anyone watched the Netflix documentary on Juve? Allegri seems a staunch disciplinarian. It made me wonder how Pogba handled that, not simply the repeated line that he was helped by having 2 top midfield partners and given more freedom, but the overall professional environment and the enormous expectations they're under (something we've seen a lot of our players can't handle). Would be interesting to know if he went through similar difficulties over there like he's now enduring.

Interesting series, for sure.
 
Has anyone watched the Netflix documentary on Juve? Allegri seems a staunch disciplinarian. It made me wonder how Pogba handled that, not simply the repeated line that he was helped by having 2 top midfield partners and given more freedom, but the overall professional environment and the enormous expectations they're under (something we've seen a lot of our players can't handle). Would be interesting to know if he went through similar difficulties over there like he's now enduring.

Interesting series, for sure.
What is the docu called?
 
Christophe Dugarry (who will always remind me of Dubarry shoes) has just had a right go at Pogba and Griezmann.

Pogséries is a new one to me. I bet it’s fecking shite.
Dugarry as a pundit is like Souness, a man full of bitterness and hatred but on this one he is spot on tbh. The series is fecking shit.
It just shows how disconnected they are from reality, who the feck begs journos to not criticize them ? Man the feck up
 
Has anyone watched the Netflix documentary on Juve? Allegri seems a staunch disciplinarian. It made me wonder how Pogba handled that, not simply the repeated line that he was helped by having 2 top midfield partners and given more freedom, but the overall professional environment and the enormous expectations they're under (something we've seen a lot of our players can't handle). Would be interesting to know if he went through similar difficulties over there like he's now enduring.

Interesting series, for sure.

Regardless of manager for a long time Juventus have often been know as a club with a highly professional environment and enormous expectations. Which is why I find the whole idea that he had it easy there absurd.
 
Has anyone watched the Netflix documentary on Juve? Allegri seems a staunch disciplinarian. It made me wonder how Pogba handled that, not simply the repeated line that he was helped by having 2 top midfield partners and given more freedom, but the overall professional environment and the enormous expectations they're under (something we've seen a lot of our players can't handle). Would be interesting to know if he went through similar difficulties over there like he's now enduring.

Interesting series, for sure.

It's one of those things that gets repeated so often that it becomes accepted as fact, despite being completely wrong.

Pogba at Juventus was not 'free' he was incredibly disciplined, hard working, tactically astute. This was of course helped by a master tactician of a manager, but he himself has shown during his time at United under a similarly tactically aware manager that he can do it.

Pogba if he could maintain the consistent level of the first half of the season, would be one of the best midfielders in the world. I have maintained that Pogba is experiencing a drop in form, and there is not a tactical problem with him. The only position Pogba would be out of position is in Matic's position as the deepest midfielder that protects the defense. Pogba has never played as a dedicated DM, his skillset is perfectly acceptable for a top CM.
 
Regardless of manager for a long time Juventus have often been know as a club with a highly professional environment and enormous expectations. Which is why I find the whole idea that he had it easy there absurd.

That's what I thought. Don't have any authority to scrutinise that claim that "he was free there with two midfielders doing all the work" shtick but from watching that docu series there is no way that team would have tolerated anything below top professionals.

It's one of those things that gets repeated so often that it becomes accepted as fact, despite being completely wrong.

Pogba at Juventus was not 'free' he was incredibly disciplined, hard working, tactically astute. This was of course helped by a master tactician of a manager, but he himself has shown during his time at United under a similarly tactically aware manager that he can do it.

Pogba if he could maintain the consistent level of the first half of the season, would be one of the best midfielders in the world. I have maintained that Pogba is experiencing a drop in form, and there is not a tactical problem with him. The only position Pogba would be out of position is in Matic's position as the deepest midfielder that protects the defense. Pogba has never played as a dedicated DM, his skillset is perfectly acceptable for a top CM.

I agree that he should be able to replicate this, he should also be able to play in a midfield two if needs be, but this is more than a loss of form. It's a crisis of confidence, albeit with a smile on his face.
 
it's obvious our so called manager can't get the best out of our world class players. Pogba, Sanchez and even Lukaku were superb before arriving to united.
 
it's obvious our so called manager can't get the best out of our world class players. Pogba, Sanchez and even Lukaku were superb before arriving to united.

It's so black and white isn't it? Lukaku was playing in a shite team in which it was easy to stand out in. Sanchez wasn't really anything amazing this season. Pogba started this season great.
 
it's obvious our so called manager can't get the best out of our world class players. Pogba, Sanchez and even Lukaku were superb before arriving to united.

Yeah the way Mourinho has Pogba hitting freekicks is weird.
 
it's obvious our so called manager can't get the best out of our world class players. Pogba, Sanchez and even Lukaku were superb before arriving to united.

Pogba playing badly for United and not being able to complete simple passes is down to Pogba himself.
Effort, application and confidence can do wonders. That and playing an awful team.
 
it's obvious our so called manager can't get the best out of our world class players. Pogba, Sanchez and even Lukaku were superb before arriving to united.

Whatever you want to say about Mourinho, adding Lukaku in there is just stupid. You are trying to imply he hasn't been good at Manchester United?
 
It's so black and white isn't it? Lukaku was playing in a shite team in which it was easy to stand out in. Sanchez wasn't really anything amazing this season. Pogba started this season great.
you know he scored 25 goals last season in the same league he plays in now.
 
Whatever you want to say about Mourinho, adding Lukaku in there is just stupid.
Well it is logic. Those players deteriorated under his management, whether it is confidence or drop in form, the manager is responsible specially when it is more than one player.
 
Well it is logic. Those players deteriorated under his management, whether it is confidence or drop in form, the manager is responsible specially when it is more than one player.

Lukaku has not deteriorated as a player. He has got even better.
 
Pogba playing badly for United and not being able to complete simple passes is down to Pogba himself.
Effort, application and confidence can do wonders. That and playing an awful team.
He plays awful teams in united too. But I can't blame only Pogba for his drop in form, the manager who is criticizing everybody around him but himself has a role in causing many players lose confidence in themselves.
 
Well it is logic. Those players deteriorated under his management, whether it is confidence or drop in form, the manager is responsible specially when it is more than one player.
Lukaku has been a far better player for us than he was at Everton. Yes, he's scored fewer goals, but he's linking play incredibly well and doing great work out wide etc. To say his form has dipped makes the rest of your point laughable.
 
Well it is logic. Those players deteriorated under his management, whether it is confidence or drop in form, the manager is responsible specially when it is more than one player.

How on earth has Lukaku deteriorated? His all round game has improved significantly
 
Lukaku has not deteriorated as a player. He has got even better.
He is a central forward who scored less goals this season. Cant see the progress you are mentioning. Sure he changed his style of play at united, but still not at his best.
 
He is a central forward who scored less goals this season. Cant see the progress you are mentioning. Sure he changed his style of play at united, but still not at his best.

Then you don't watch us play.
 
you know he scored 25 goals last season in the same league he plays in now.
Well it is logic. Those players deteriorated under his management, whether it is confidence or drop in form, the manager is responsible specially when it is more than one player.

With regards to the former post, he was playing in a team where the whole setup revolved around him and his strengths. As for him deteriorating, you're having a laugh right? Joins a better club and doesn't stand out as much means he's getting worse ? :eek:
 
No player improves under Mourinho!
I said the world class players, cant see any of them become better if not went down on form. Sure he improved the average players like Lingard to become above average, but who else? Young a bit maybe!
 
I said the world class players, cant see any of them become better if not went down on form. Sure he improved the average players like Lingard to become above average, but who else? Young a bit maybe!
How many world class players have we? Sanchez is new to the team, still finding his feet. He has been very disappointing, but was disappointing for Arsenal this year too. Pogba started the season fantastically well - does Jose get no credit for that? Nope, he just gets abuse when Pogba plays badly. De Gea has improved markedly every year, I guess Jose probably had nothing to do with that either. Martial is a better player too.
 
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